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David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

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  • #572
    zuroph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Do you think there is anything to be said for such behaviour?
    no, but i would say there is somethings to be said for having a mentor. which is an aspect of pederasty.


  • #573
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,108 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    sesna wrote: »
    From the article he wants to see unfettered sexual activity and he wants the age of consent amended so that consent, not age, be the legal basis for sexual relations in this state.

    So a 15 year old boy has consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend - are they criminals ?.


  • #574
    sesna
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    Discodog wrote: »
    I originally thought this but, on reflection, it would just be a protracted period of bad publicity. The interesting thing would be to find out why this has all emerged now & who is really behind it.

    It was picked up by Sunday papers years ago when it happened.


  • #575
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Discodog wrote: »
    David Norris is too intelligent for the Irish public. He makes a genuine attempt to discuss issues that Ireland is not ready or able to discuss. His presidency would do so much good for Ireland. He has a genuine human compassion & is probably the only candidate who understands that the presidency is not political. He would be a great sign that Ireland is growing up is is ready to become a sophisticated country.

    Now everyone is going to pull out disjointed quotes & attach their own meaning to them. This is a common tactic in the dirty world of politics. Norris was not a target until every poll showed him as the likely winner. Now certain sections of our society will want to stop him. But I think that the majority know the real David Norris. His qualities shine for all to see & people know a witch hunt when they see one.

    Norris is only shown as the likely winner because the parties have yet to declare. Norris is the only "candidate" with a public profile so in the early days it is going to be him that will lead the polls naturally. Its not even certain he will get a nomination.

    Remember Mary McAleese had virtually no profile before the campaign, so we could have yet to be introduced to the winner.


  • #576
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    sesna wrote: »
    From the article he wants to see unfettered sexual activity

    From your disapproving tone, you clearly prefer fettered sexual activity, ie with chains or manacles around the ankles.

    See how things can be taken out of context?


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  • #577
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,108 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    mikemac wrote: »
    This week or in the next few weeks or even the next months it's certain he'll be asked why he rushed to defend Cathal Ó Searcaigh and also called for the RTÉ documentary report to be postponed.

    Will I be reading the same defensive smear campaign comments?

    Well for a start why don't you post the links so that we can all take a look & judge for ourselves ?.


  • #578
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Posted it before but 11 independent senators and 14 independent TD's
    He needs 20.

    Unless Norris gets most of these and he won't get them all and then fails to get backing from the mix & match United Left Alliance he won't even make it onto the ballot.

    Or 4 councils to support him but the parties control the councils, they won't back him.

    The rules are there, he knows them well


  • #579
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,302 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Norris is only shown as the likely winner because the parties have yet to declare. Norris is the only "candidate" with a public profile so in the early days it is going to be him that will lead the polls naturally. Its not even certain he will get a nomination.

    Remember Mary McAleese had virtually no profile before the campaign, so we could have yet to be introduced to the winner.

    She was the FF candidate though.

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  • #580
    D.U.M.B
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 55 ✭✭D.U.M.B


    I'd have no problem voting for him


  • #581
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,108 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Its not even certain he will get a nomination.

    Correct. So as with the Senate we could end up with no opportunity to vote for a man who has constantly topped every poll. Some democracy :rolleyes:.


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  • #582
    ascanbe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Like not all rape is serious rape. Funny how Ken Clarke rased the ire of the left last week with that remark. Luckily DN is not Ken clarke and can get away with saying almost anything it seems.

    That just goes to show how easy it is to misrepresent what someone is actually saying. Clarke didn't say what you have written and though you could argue that he said something similar, when you read the quote in full you can see that your interpretation of what he said doesn't, as you wrote it here, fit with what he actually said or meant.
    And who are 'the left'? You'd probably consider me to be on the left and he didn't raise my ire. And i've read commentators who i'd consider to be on the left that dealt with the comment/issue completely rationally.


  • #583
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    sesna wrote: »
    They have the tape and were looking for the correct dictaphone to play it. They didnt' play it then because of the obscenity. Or maybe they need to consult their lawyers due to previously unreleased content. It was announcted on the preview to liveline today, then it wasn't mentioned


    ...and as I've said the 6 o clock news (that coming some hours after liveline) featured the journalist in question saying she hadn't got the tape.
    sesna wrote: »
    They didnt' play it then because of the obscenity. Or maybe they need to consult their lawyers due to previously unreleased content

    Make up your mind. Or go back under the bridge.
    sesna wrote: »
    I offered several possible explanations as to why it was to be played, and then wasn't played.

    No, you offered a categoric explanation saying that the programme itself refused to play it. This could not have happened, because they couldn't have heard the tape, because they did not have the tape.

    sesna wrote: »
    I'll listen to what Norris has to say over the coming days. .

    Given what your supposed listening has turned up so far, the results should be both surreal and amusing.
    Sonnenblumen wrote:
    More than can be said for you. .

    Pathetic, even given the lack of wit you're reknowned for.


  • #584
    BlueSmoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭BlueSmoker


    Rawhead wrote: »
    After 800 years of living with a monarchy I for one do not want to be ruled by another queen.
    I would be happy to be honored, and I won't consider him a Queen either( stupid biased thing to say) :)


  • #585
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,108 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    sesna wrote: »
    It was picked up by Sunday papers years ago when it happened.

    And .........it had no effect on his career so the public cannot of taken it seriously.


  • #586
    BlueSmoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭BlueSmoker


    Rawhead wrote: »
    After 800 years of living with a monarchy I for one do not want to be ruled by another queen.
    I would be happy to be honored, and I won't consider him a Queen either( stupid biased thing to say) :)


  • #587
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,063 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    zuroph wrote: »
    I currently have a chipped bone in my right hand from someone landing a go kart on top of me in RDS last week. me not suing is apparently a admission that I was at fault for being under the kart.
    The difference between me and you is that I was at fault. That's why I didn't claim, even though I could have.
    You situation confirms how ****ed up the laws are here.

    Someone (me) is injured due to their own stupidity can claim, but someone else (you) with a genuine case is considered guilty when they don't claim.

    sesna wrote: »
    "In my opinion, the teacher, or Christian Brother, who puts his hand into a boy's pocket during a history lesson, that is one end of the spectrum. but then there is another: there is the person who attacks children of either sex, rapes them, brutalises them, and then murders them. But the way things are presented here it's almost as if they were all exactly the same and I don't think they are. and I have to tell you this -- I think that the children in some instances are more damaged by the condemnation than by the actual experience." David Norris.

    Anyone got a context for this?
    Source?

    mikemac wrote: »
    I'll correct myself, sorry for any misunderstanding and as I understand you are in Kildare

    My reference was to a post in 2010 in Politics forum that caused uproar. And I quoted a post on this thread too but that wasn't the main issue
    Well to me anyway and a few posters still remember it

    A poster strolled in and said if you support Norris you are a young urban sophisticate from Dublin.
    And the knuckle dragging bible thumping boggers would be too backward to support Norris :(

    I don't get involved in Dublin vs the rest posts, not my intention
    Fair enough.

    I'll never vote for Norris as I reckon Michael D is a better candidate and I've
    meet him a few times.
    Fair enough again, and I apologise for misinterpreting your post.
    But even in this thread and the ones in politics there are posts that if oppose Norris you've your mind made up and somehow you are bigoted
    Yeah, but those people are generally idiots or trolls.
    They're best off left to their own rantings.

    Discodog wrote: »
    So a 15 year old boy has consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend - are they criminals ?.

    You know, this has popped up before.
    I'm all for that.
    A couple of 15 year olds experimenting with their sexuality is not wrong. It's illegal, but I don't see any harm in it.

    A 20 year old and a 15 year old? There's a problem.
    A 15 year old and a 13 year old? There's another problem.

    Two 15 year olds?
    I don't see any problem with that, regardless of gender.
    The funny thing is that you rarely hear anything about a couple of 15 year old girls getting it on. It does happen though.


  • #588
    zuroph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    Terry wrote: »
    The funny thing is that you rarely hear anything about a couple of 15 year old girls getting it on. It does happen though.

    And when I was 15, i'd have loved to watch :p


  • #589
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,063 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    zuroph wrote: »
    And when I was 15, i'd have loved to watch :p
    ****ing perv. :)


  • #590
    BlueSmoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭BlueSmoker


    Terry wrote: »
    The difference between me and you is that I was at fault. That's why I didn't claim, even though I could have.
    You situation confirms how ****ed up the laws are here.

    Someone (me) is injured due to their own stupidity can claim, but someone else (you) with a genuine case is considered guilty when they don't claim.




    I don't see any problem with that, regardless of gender.
    The funny thing is that you rarely hear anything about a couple of 15 year old girls getting it on. It does happen though.


    It dose happen, but belief me it's still illegal, regardless of gender/sexuality. I'm sorry to say this but we girls need to express ourselves as much as you guys do, so you actually crashing a girls party that is under aged, makes you a pedophile, sorry them our the rules. In the same way If crashed a teen aged guy's party who was underaged

    :eek:


  • #591
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    BlueSmoker wrote: »
    It dose happen, but belief me it's still illegal, regardless of gender/sexuality. I'm sorry to say this but we girls need to express ourselves as much as you guys do, so you actually crashing a girls party that is under aged, makes you a pedophile, sorry them our the rules. In the same way If crashed a teen aged guy's party who was underaged

    :eek:
    No it doesn't.


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  • #592
    BlueSmoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭BlueSmoker


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    No it doesn't.

    What doesn't?


  • #593
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    BlueSmoker wrote: »
    What doesn't?
    That doesn't make you a paedophile.


  • #594
    BlueSmoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭BlueSmoker


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    No it doesn't.
    What Dosen't ?


  • #595
    BlueSmoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭BlueSmoker


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    No it doesn't.

    Really lets study this should we, Ps I new to this chat room so give me a chance, pls :)


  • #596
    BlueSmoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭BlueSmoker


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    That doesn't make you a paedophile.
    I never said it did, grow up :) reread it. :)


  • #597
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    BlueSmoker wrote: »
    I never said it did, grow up :)
    So what part of your post that I quoted did I change/edit (apart from the bit in bold)?


  • #598
    BlueSmoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭BlueSmoker


    BlueSmoker wrote: »
    Really lets study this should we, Ps I new to this chat room so give me a chance, pls :)

    Ok I've caught up now yes if you find yourself, making advances towards anyone under 15, and your over 18 your considered a pedophile, sorry about that :)


  • #599
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    BlueSmoker wrote: »
    Ok I've caught up now yes if you find yourself, making advances towards anyone under 15, and your over 18 your considered a pedophile, sorry about that :)
    Not necessarily. Paedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescents. I would say the average 15 year old would have passed puberty.

    Also:
    A clinical diagnosis of pedophilia also requires that the affected individual be at least 16 years of age and at least 5 years older than the child (or children) at the centre of the individual’s sexual fantasies. Pedophilia is distinguished from hebephilia and ephebophilia, which involve sexual obsessions of postpubescent children or late-stage adolescents, respectively.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/448575/pedophilia


  • #600
    BlueSmoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭BlueSmoker


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    No it doesn't.

    So your telling me abuse of a minor doesn't happen, maybe you need to grow up a little, so you can protect your own, really denying it never happened, or saying it did happen doesn't help. :)

    It happened to some of us, we are the people, who have to live with it. :)


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  • #601
    BlueSmoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭BlueSmoker


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Not necessarily. Paedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescents. I would say the average 15 year old would have passed puberty.

    Also:


    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/448575/pedophilia

    I'm not the one trying to proof anything, I never disagreed with you, I just said it was stepping over the law, and possibly you might need help. My point has being made, let the mod do their business.:)


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