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What sort of country are we?

  • 30-05-2011 10:37PM
    #1
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭


    I was just watching prime-time investigates there and couldn't believe what i was seeing. What sort of country won't even give a medical card to a motor neurons disease sufferer so they can access the services they require.

    We are pumping billions into banks/bondholders etc but we cant look after someone like that. Its very very sad.


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  • #2
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    I have MS, no medical card for me either.


  • #3
    FearDark
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭FearDark


    I don't usually comment on government/bankers/state of the country threads, in fact I never have. But that was absolutely disgraceful, those poor people on that programme, this country is a fúcking joke.


  • #4
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Country went to hell in a handbasket a long long tome ago when it comes to the most vulnerable members of our society.

    Carers being just one shocking example of how we walk on those we should be holding in the highest of regards.


  • #5
    Sunnyisland
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    There is a follow on primetime now.


  • #6
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,452 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    We need to scream out to out TDs now ., These people deserve more , our people deserve more . Makes me so very sad to be part of this now ,


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  • #7
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I have to say, credit to Primetime, they have been really hitting some serious issues this last year or so.


  • #8
    The Scientician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭The Scientician


    After watching that I'm hoping to die before I'm 40.


  • #9
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    and 2.5 million on a garden
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056282942


  • #10
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Most of our elected officials dont have the balls to stand up for their people. The people who do have the balls are called "looney lefties". Fighting Irish indeed.


  • #11
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Biggins wrote: »
    I have to say, credit to Primetime, they have been really hitting some serious issues this last year or so.
    Probably because Fianna Fail are out of power.


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  • #12
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    sollar wrote: »
    We are pumping billions into banks/bondholders etc but we cant look after someone like that. Its very very sad.

    Underlines the point I've been making since the start of this whole mess about Europe's position, specifically: "You MUST repay the gamblers who made bad decisions and are now butthurt about it! close schools if you must, let your roads fall apart, evict your hospital patients, fire thousands of public workers, deny thousands of young people a free education, stop policing the country, hell stop providing a justice system if you must, but ON NO ACCOUNT ARE YOU ALLOWED TO LET FAILED BANKS' INVESTORS PAY FOR THEIR MISTAKES LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE WOULD!!!!!!!!!"

    Pisses me off SO damn much. Bondholders choose to invest. It's not the government's problem if a private company fails.


  • #13
    FesterBeatty
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 406 ✭✭FesterBeatty


    Why is it the responsibility of a television show to uncover these issues! What a f*cking joke! As to what sort of a country we are, it seems we are simply highly corrupt and grossly incompetent!


  • #14
    who what when
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭who what when


    sollar wrote: »
    What sort of country won't even give a medical card to a motor neurons disease sufferer so they can access the services they require.

    Most countries in the world dont have any sort of welfare system at all!


  • #15
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    I have MS, no medical card for me either.

    Thats shocking. This is one issue that really needs to be put to politicians forcefully. They can't be allowed to duck, dive and bluff on this issue.


  • #16
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    Probably because Fianna Fail are out of power.

    Hopefully never to return for a long, long time.
    sollar wrote: »
    Thats shocking. This is one issue that really needs to be put to politicians forcefully. They can't be allowed to duck, dive and bluff on this issue.

    ...But you know a lot of them will. :(


  • #17
    RMD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    I very rarely support these "rabble rabble rabble I hate the government" threads, but I'll certainly agree in this case. This country is a pure and utter fúcking joke when it comes to providing healthcare to people, or trying to help them get the sufficient healthcare needed if it's not available here.

    What Pragmatic says is true 100%. There's not 1 TD in this country who has the balls to stand up and do we what we elected them to do, be vocal and represent the people. They'd rather play it calmly and gain favour within their party, than do the job they fúcking ran for.


  • #18
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    who what when wrote: »
    Most countries in the world dont have any sort of welfare system at all!

    always important to compare like with like.

    below is a breakdown on Irish social support payments compared to Europe.

    finally the 'we pay too much' nutters will be silenced. (as if)
    wrote:
    This paper has sought to provide a summary of how Irish social welfare expenditure compares to our European neighbours, with particular reference to the EU15, as the most appropriate comparator. This information is critical in any debate on the ‘generosity’ of Ireland’s social welfare system.
    Myths and misinformation regarding Ireland’s social welfare rates contributes to stigmatisation and stereotyping of people experiencing poverty, and bolsters a culture of blame and marginalisation. The rate of unemployment transfers in Ireland is not generous by European standards.
    In fact not only are social welfare rates much lower but Ireland’s overall spending on social protection is exceptionally low.

    http://www.eapn.ie/documents/1_Social%20Welfare%20How%20Ireland%20Compares%20in%20Europe.pdf


  • #19
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    Biggins wrote: »
    ...But you know a lot of them will. :(

    What amazed me about this is that the HSE can and do issue discretionary medical cards. But if people with serious illness aren't getting them who is??


  • #20
    The Princess Bride
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,796 ✭✭✭✭The Princess Bride


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    We need to scream out to out TDs now ., These people deserve more , our people deserve more . Makes me so very sad to be part of this now ,

    Don't waste your breath- they won't listen as they're sitting in their cushy seat in Dáil Eireann.

    Scream before next election,if you like.


  • #21
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    sollar wrote: »
    What amazed me about this is that the HSE can and do issue discretionary medical cards. But if people with serious illness aren't getting them who is??

    Well for one your local drug addicts that show no signs of coming off them (NOT having at go at the ones that ARE trying and they should be supported in their efforts) but willing to use them because all their money is being spent on their habit for a start.

    They are only one lot, I'm sure others can think of other categories.


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  • #22
    themadchef
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭themadchef


    Not only do they have to put up with the pain of watching a loved one suffer they have the indignity of having to beg for assistance from our state.

    Shame on our government, and shame on us for not forcing the issue, all of us.


  • #23
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    sollar wrote: »
    What amazed me about this is that the HSE can and do issue discretionary medical cards. But if people with serious illness aren't getting them who is??

    Chief Executive's daughter who wants a boob job. Managing director's uncle who has a liking for morphine. Director's best friend who has an ingrown toenail and needs to have it removed. He also happens to manage the bank which will happily give the director a multi million euro holiday loan with an indefinite repayment schedule a few weeks later.

    Etc.

    This country is a joke.


  • #24
    starviewadams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    The story of the woman who's young daughter has severe autism and who was denied a carer was truly heartbreaking,I wish that I was a rich man so that I could help people in those sort of situations.


  • #25
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    No medical card here despite wife having cancer., but i do have the revenue people giving me all sort of threats because i spent too much money on her health, apparently i should have given it all to them and let her die.
    Actually rang them up and told them it would be to the benifit of the sheriff's health and well being not to visit me to steal my hard earned possesions.


  • #26
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Knine


    Unfortunately this is the reality of life for carers and I know because I am a full time carer and I had tears in my eyes watching Primetime tonight and wondering what the future may hold.

    It made me sick last week when we had the Queen and co over and the amount of money spent on it and now tonight Ireland gets a glimpse of the reality of life for the most vunerable of Irelands society.:mad:


  • #27
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    starviewadams wrote: »
    The story of the woman who's young daughter has severe autism and who was denied a carer was truly heartbreaking,I wish that I was a rich man so that I could help people in those sort of situations.

    We were rich once apparently and the man at the helm who could have made a difference said his big regret was not building the Bertie bowl.


  • #28
    Alessandra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭Alessandra


    People going hungry and basic medical needs being ignored is a clear deprivation of human rights. Disgusting. So uncomfortable to watch.
    What can be done?


  • #29
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I have my own problems with the health system in relation to my daughter who has a permanent disablement (which I won't bore ye about but a lot here know of) and I also have a brother that is physically and mentally disabled. In both cases the medial care in either case leaves a serious lot to be desired. My parents whom are in the 80 area and carers for them to take care of their son at their age, is a joke.

    Do they qualify for medical card given their age and neither working? No.
    And they are NOT well off either by any means - and they have in their time previously, been working all their lives and paying into the state in a lot of normal ways.

    Its madness - thank you Fianna Fail and fcuk the lot of ye in your political party!


  • #30
    bad2dabone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭bad2dabone


    was so sad this evening, heartbroken.
    This is no country to get sick in. It is however a country that will cover your investment losses at the expense of its weakest members.

    Shame on any politician who can watch that episode and justify the disgusting waste that goes on and continues to go on in our national finances. 2.5 million on a f*cking garden!


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  • #31
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    i would be happier if 1 single chronically ill persons living standards were improved rather than spent on that stupid hanging garden.we have our priorities in knots. the rich have their ego's massaged and there interests invested in while the poor are ignored.


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