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It's official: Gardai are above the law.

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  • #242
    UglyBolloxFace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭UglyBolloxFace


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Would you have posted this if he wasn't a copper

    What a stupid thanks-whoring statement.

    The reason it should be mentioned that he is a copper is because it is inherent to this case and the outcome - the simple fact of the matter is that he got off because he was a copper.


  • #243
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    He was still found guilty and sentenced to 18 months.. how exactly does that suggest that Gardai are above the law? Forevermore, it's a conviction on his record.. regardless of time spent in prison.

    I do agree that suspended sentencing is a joke, but it's liberally applied in many cases in Ireland, not just when a Garda is the defendant.


  • #244
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    I also have anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
    I told you mine, please tell me yours, if you have any.


  • #245
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    lizt wrote: »
    My opinion:
    This is an absolute disgrace. This is not someone forgetting to pay for their tv licence. This garda beat a man to a pulp, he was lucky not to have brain damage!

    The guy had bleeding on the brain, broken bones and broken teeth. This wasn't just one punch thrown in a drunken argument, it is a malicious attack.

    As for the argument that he might receive a tough time in prison - maybe he deserves it! He would be in prison for a serious offence. What is stopping any criminal arguing they will receive a tough time because they are a certain sexuality, a certain colour or a certain religion.

    Having one law for gardai and another for the general population is really unfair.

    No it's not actually.

    Why should a prison officer who happens to end up in prison,suffer worse than some scummer who has been in and out numerous times?

    That's the way society works.
    There isn't one law for gardai and others and another for Joe Public, there is a legal provision in the sentencing structure to accommodate what happened in this case.


  • #246
    jonsnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Post 199 mate.

    I,m going to take that as saying you weren,t in court and you don,t know any more about the case than I do and are in no real position to explain the judges decision to me.


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  • #247
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    UglyBolloxFace wrote: »
    What a stupid thanks-whoring statement.

    The reason it should be mentioned that he is a copper is because it is inherent to this case and the outcome - the simple fact of the matter is that he got off because he was a copper.
    You seem to have missed the purpose of the post entirely. That nobody would be nearly so interested in this subject if he wasn't a cop, and this was just one of any thousand suspend sentence deals given out by the irish court system. I could name a few: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055957487 and not nearly so many of these get much attention on boards - I only limited my search to the ones that had. How many more would I find on news sites? Hence the question: would you give two sh*ts about this case if the defendant wasn't a copper?


  • #248
    LizT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    No it's not actually.

    Why should a prison officer who happens to end up in prison,suffer worse than some scummer who has been in and out numerous times?

    That's the way society works.
    There isn't one law for gardai and others and another for Joe Public, there is a legal provision in the sentencing structure to accommodate what happened in this case.

    I'm not comparing it to someone with multiple convictions. Are you seriously telling me that Joe Public, with no prior convictions, beats someone as savagely as this garda did and gets a suspended sentence? It wouldn't happen.


  • #249
    Spread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    Does anyone know if ROBOCOP got promoted? I know he took a slew of "courses" - 'Anger Management' not being one of them.


  • #250
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    My name is URL wrote: »
    He was still found guilty and sentenced to 18 months.. how exactly does that suggest that Gardai are above the law? Forevermore, it's a conviction on his record.. regardless of time spent in prison.

    I do agree that suspended sentencing is a joke, but it's liberally applied in many cases in Ireland, not just when a Garda is the defendant.

    Did you read the OP? He was to serve 6 months in prison until th judge found out he was a guard... Then those 6 months were also suspended, my arguement isn't about suspended sentances, it's about Garda getting off with a prison sentance where if he wasn't a guard he would have served his time


  • #251
    jonsnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    There isn't one law for gardai and others and another for Joe Public, there is a legal provision in the sentencing structure to accommodate what happened in this case.

    Which is another way of saying that there is one law for gardai and another for joe public in relation to sentencing-and there shouldn,t be.There certainly isn,t in other jurisdictions.But this is Ireland unfortunately.


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  • #252
    LizT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    Overheal wrote: »
    You seem to have missed the purpose of the post entirely. That nobody would be nearly so interested in this subject if he wasn't a cop, and this was just one of any thousand suspend sentence deals given out by the irish court system. I could name a few: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055957487 and not nearly so many of these get much attention on boards - I only limited my search to the ones that had. How many more would I find on news sites? Hence the question: would you give two sh*ts about this case if the defendant wasn't a copper?

    It's more interesting to me because gardai are there to uphold the law. Yet when a garda breaks the law, he is treated more leniently than anyone else? IMO, they should be punished more severely.


  • #253
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    jonsnow wrote: »
    I,m going to take that as saying you weren,t in court and you don,t know any more about the case than I do and are in no real position to explain the judges decision to me.

    If you can't read the post son, I can't help you, sorry.


  • #254
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    @flutterinbantam, care to explain how it's equal or are we going to forget that part?


  • #255
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    IPAM wrote: »
    Did you read the OP? He was to serve 6 months in prison until th judge found out he was a guard... Then those 6 months were also suspended, my arguement isn't about suspended sentances, it's about Garda getting off with a prison sentance where if he wasn't a guard he would have served his time

    I don't think the bolded bit is true. afaik, it was always known that he was a Garda, but his defence counsel made the argument that he could be harmed in prison, leading to the Judge reopening the proceedings and suspending the other 6 months of his sentence. He's perfectly entitled to do so.

    I don't necessarily agree with it, but there's plenty of other laws and protocols that I don't agree with too.


  • #256
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    FlutterinBantam wrote:
    There isn't one law for gardai and others and another for Joe Public, there is a legal provision in the sentencing structure to accommodate what happened in this case.
    Yet that provision is for the Gardai, and not Joe Public, correct?

    So there is in fact a structure of sentencing for Gardai and another for Joe Public?

    You pretty much just admitted the thing you were trying not to admit to: One law for Gardai, another for Joe Public.


  • #257
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Do you agree he got away with the 6 months because he was a garda?


  • #258
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,497 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Unfortunately I'm not even surprised.


    Ordinary joe does it he gets jailed, Garda does it he walks free. Just the way it is.

    If the injured party had gotten up and clattered the sh1t out of the off duty Garda you can be sure he'd see 6 months in jail.


  • #259
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    IPAM wrote: »
    Do you agree he got away with the 6 months because he was a garda?

    Yes, but I don't think it's because the Gardai are above the law.

    Sentences can be suspended for any number of reasons. Being at a high risk of harm is only one of those reasons


  • #260
    LizT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    RoverJames wrote: »
    If the injured party had gotten up and clattered the sh1t out of the off duty Garda you can be sure he'd see 6 months in jail.

    Agree 100%, he would probably get more.


  • #261
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Neither do I but I think the reason people are p!ssed off is because, if he wasn't a guard he would have served his sentance.


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  • #262
    Krusader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Krusader


    It's this sort of shenanigans that will reflect badly on the ordinary decent law abiding Garda who just wants to make a buck and live his/her life.
    Could he not do 6 months in the army prison in the curragh or some sort


  • #263
    jonsnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    If you can't read the post son, I can't help you, sorry.

    I can and have read the post sonny jim.You didn,t explain the LEGALITIES in the case.You just gave your opinion on why the judge gave his sentence.I gave my opinion on why I thought(given the limited facts and information I had gotten on the case from the links on this thread) that it was wrong.Anyway I think were going in circles here so laters buddy


  • #264
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    IPAM wrote: »
    How was this equal? He got away with 6 months in prison because he is/was a guard, if this had not come to light he would serve 6 months in prison. Please explain how this is equal?

    Certainly pal.

    1..Apparently he paid substantial compensation to the injured party..'kay?

    2..there is legislation which permits the judge to mitigate a sentence in respect of a garda or prison officer, which is what happened.

    3..I would suggest that he will be unlikely to offend again, no basis for that just on the balance of probabilities.

    4..I would hope that he is sacked thereby losing out on a good career and pension

    5.. His name is all over the media ,and as a result he has to carry that for the rest of his life.


    So:D

    Compare that to Mr Tracksuit who does similar outside the chipper next friday night and rolls out of the 'Joy in 10 months ,still with nothing,his hole intact,never had anything, his victim got nothing,his mates think he's great just ,gearing up for his next glassing.


    I'd say that's more than equal pal, wouldn't you?


  • #265
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,497 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Surely there is somewhere they can throw him for a few months where he won't be harmed. Where did they throw those knobs that killed that young lad at a nightclub ?
    FlutterinBantam wrote: »

    3..I would suggest that he will be unlikely to offend again, no basis for that just on the balance of probabilities.

    I dunno about that, once a scumbag always a scumbag perhaps?


  • #266
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Overheal wrote: »
    Yet that provision is for the Gardai, and not Joe Public, correct?

    So there is in fact a structure of sentencing for Gardai and another for Joe Public?

    You pretty much just admitted the thing you were trying not to admit to: One law for Gardai, another for Joe Public.

    No horse, that's why I said structure of sentencing

    Read the focking post.


  • #267
    KERSPLAT!
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Certainly pal.

    1..Apparently he paid substantial compensation to the injured party..'kay?

    2..there is legislation which permits the judge to mitigate a sentence in respect of a garda or prison officer, which is what happened.

    3..I would suggest that he will be unlikely to offend again, no basis for that just on the balance of probabilities.

    4..I would hope that he is sacked thereby losing out on a good career and pension

    5.. His name is all over the media ,and as a result he has to carry that for the rest of his life.


    So:D

    Compare that to Mr Tracksuit who does similar outside the chipper next friday night and rolls out of the 'Joy in 10 months ,still with nothing,his hole intact,never had anything, his victim got nothing,his mates think he's great just ,gearing up for his next glassing
    .


    I'd say that's more than equal pal, wouldn't you?

    ... No I don't think it's equal


  • #268
    LizT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »

    Compare that to Mr Tracksuit who does similar outside the chipper next friday night and rolls out of the 'Joy in 10 months ,still with nothing,his hole intact,never had anything, his victim got nothing,his mates think he's great just ,gearing up for his next glassing.


    I'd say that's more than equal pal, wouldn't you?

    Why do people insist on comparing this case to people who have previous convictions?

    The garda is described as a decent guy with no previous convictions. That could describe all of my friends. Yet if one of them beat a guy as severely as the garda did, there is no way I would expect them to walk away with a suspended sentence. The characters of the person should only count to a certain extent.


  • #269
    flash1080
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  • #270
    [Deleted User]
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    IPAM wrote: »
    ... No I don't think it's equal

    Neither do I, normal Joe Soap does this and gets 6 months sentance he'll serve the 6 months, more than likely lose his job and have his name all over the media and carry it around for life too. I don't see how the "tracksuit" example is remotely relevant really.


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  • #271
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    lizt wrote: »
    Why do people insist on comparing this case to people who have previous convictions?

    The garda is described as a decent guy with no previous convictions. That could describe all of my friends. Yet if one of the beat a guy as severely as the garda did, there is no way I would expect them to walk away with a suspended sentence. The characters of the person should only count to a certain extent.


    Because there is legislation covering that situation.
    The judge invoked that legislation.


    that's the facts of the case, opinions my differ but them's the FACTS


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