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The Real Reason for NATO Attacking Libya ?

  • 24-05-2011 10:17PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭


    FIRSTLY HERE ARE SOME ELOQUENT FACTS ABOUT SOCIALIST LIBYA :)


    * They owe no money to IMF/World Bank
    * GDP per capita - $ 14,192.
    * Unemployment benefit - $ 730.
    * Each family member subsidized by the state gets annually $ 1.000
    * Salary for nurses - $ 1.000.
    * Every newborn is paid $ 7.000.
    * Newly wed bride and groom receive $ 64 thousand to purchase an apartment.
    * Major taxes and levies prohibited.
    * To open a personal business a one-time financial assistance of $ 20.000
    * Education and medicine are free.
    * Educ.Internships abroad - at government expense.
    * Stores for large families with symbolic prices for basic foodstuffs.
    * Part of pharmacies - with free dispensing.
    * Loans for buying a car and an apartment - no interest.
    * Real estate services are prohibited.,
    * Buying a car up to 50% paid by the State.
    * No Payment for electricity for the population.
    * Sales and use of alcohol is prohibited.
    * Petrol is cheaper than water. 1 liter of gasoline - $ 0.14.

    Gadaffi had an idea for a new currency called the golden Dinar. Made of actual gold, intended to truly share genuine wealth.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    So, what's the reason?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Possibly kicked off by 40 years of internal security forces doing what they please with anyone at any time

    And possibly exacerbated when said government started firing anti-aircraft guns at them when they protested

    The leader of a country talking about going house to house to "cleanse" the cockroaches - and using mercenaries to do it? - a bit extreme

    Japan, US, Italy, etc already have oil contracts in the country

    And please do not post "Russia Today" videos - they put Fox News to shame


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    Talk E wrote: »

    Gadaffi had an idea for a new currency called the golden Dinar. Made of actual gold, intended to truly share genuine wealth.
    CiaranMT wrote: »
    So, what's the reason?

    Have a guess.. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Talk E wrote: »
    Gadaffi had an idea for a new currency called the golden Dinar. Made of actual gold, intended to truly share genuine wealth.

    What? No he didn't. Gold Dinar's exist already, they are te same as Krugerands and other bullion coins.
    Do you seriously think that bullion shares genuine wealth? Lol.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    studiorat wrote: »
    What? No he didn't. Gold Dinar's exist already, they are te same as Krugerands and other bullion coins.
    Do you seriously think that bullion shares genuine wealth? Lol.


    He wanted to introduce the golden dinar as a new African currency and to trade oil for gold only, yes. At least it's backed by something physical unlike the dollar which isn't worth the paper it's printed on. The African dinar would have devalued the Dollar even more, if possible.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    I think I recall that you cant watch youtube vids so this is for your benefit.
    Plans for attacking Muammar Gaddafi apparently go back some 20 years, and even US President Ronald Reagan tried to kill him, deeming him a threat to America power. The latest attacks are in keeping with the larger wave of aggression initiated by the Anglo-American power elite that is on to the next stage of its implementation of the "new world order."

    This power elite, based mostly in the one-square mile City of London, is said to seek world domination if it can get it – and sooner rather than later in the face of a growing Internet Reformation.

    But there may be another reason for the Libyan attacks that explain their timing. According to a Russia Today news story, for which I was interviewed (See – Real Cause for Gaddafi's Expulsion: Wanted Gold Currency?), Gaddafi was planning to introduce a gold dinar – "a single African currency made from gold, a true sharing of the wealth."

    The idea, according to Gaddafi, was that African and Muslim nations would join together to create this new currency and would use it to purchase oil and other resources in exclusion of the dollar and other currencies. RT calls it "an idea that would shift the economic balance of the world."

    It was not a democratic perspective in the sense that a country's wealth would revolve around gold and its population. But that's how modern money works. The current dollar reserve system benefits the US. In Gaddafi's case, as he held some 144 tons of gold against a fairly small population, a gold dinar would prove a most powerful currency.

    When I was interviewed by RT, I said the following: "If Gaddafi had an intent to try to re-price his oil or whatever else the country was selling on the global market and accept something else as a currency or maybe launch a gold dinar currency, any move such as that would certainly not be welcomed by the power elite today, who are responsible for controlling the world's central banks. ... So yes, that would certainly be something that would cause his immediate dismissal and the need for other reasons to be brought forward from moving him from power."

    There are many who believe Iraq's Saddam Hussein's overthrow by the US was sealed when he announced Iraqi oil would be traded in euros, not dollars. Sanctions and then a US invasion followed. Coincidence? Hussein's idea would have strengthened the euro, but Gaddafi's idea would have strengthened all of Africa in the opinion of hard-money economists. Gold is the ultimate honest money and the peg against which all other fiat currencies are ultimately devalued.

    Pricing oil in something other than the dollar would attack the basis of US power in the world. The dollar is the reserve currency based on a deal made with the Saudis back in 1971 in which the Saudis as the world's largest oil producer agreed to accept only dollars for oil. RT concludes: "A change in this policy its NATO allies literally could not afford to let that happen."

    The central banking Ponzi scheme requires an ever-increasing base of demand and the immediate silencing of those who would threaten its existence. Perhaps that is what the hurry is in removing Gaddafi in particular and those who might have been sympathetic to his monetary idea.
    http://www.thedailybell.com/2228/Gaddafi-Planned-Gold-Dinar-Now-Under-Attack.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    In all fairness RT wheels that guy out for an expert interview every few months. It's like the Simsons or something.

    Talk E wrote: »
    He wanted to introduce the golden dinar as a new African currency and to trade oil for gold only, yes. At least it's backed by something physical unlike the dollar which isn't worth the paper it's printed on. The African dinar would have devalued the Dollar even more, if possible.

    So what happened to the "Afro" as suggested by the African Central Bank due in 2021 or sometime?

    Considering the strength of Russian trade with Libya don't you think your sources are a bit biased?

    Pricing oil in something other than the dollar would attack the basis of US power in the world. The dollar is the reserve currency based on a deal made with the Saudis back in 1971 in which the Saudis as the world's largest oil producer agreed to accept only dollars for oil.

    WTF? Is this meant to mean the end of the Bretton Woods agreement? That's so vague and inaccurate it's funny. A deal with the Saudi's, Lol. The Saudi's had nothing to do with the dollar being a reserve currency.
    The deal he's talking about was the agreement to end Bretton Woods, why? Because gold was wasn't sufficient to meet the trade deficits dating back 30 years to WW2 and because a huge portion of the gold reserves that currencies were supposed to be pegged to was in the Soviet Union. remember the cold war?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Talk E wrote: »
    I think I recall that you cant watch youtube vids so this is for your benefit.


    http://www.thedailybell.com/2228/Gaddafi-Planned-Gold-Dinar-Now-Under-Attack.html

    I think you need to read this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_and_criticisms_of_RT

    Russia has huge multi-billion dollar contracts with Libya.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Quoting a state sponsored mouth-piece in a conspiracy forum, for shame:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Its honestly right over their heads


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    studiorat wrote: »
    In all fairness RT wheels that guy out for an expert interview every few months. It's like the Simsons or something.




    So what happened to the "Afro" as suggested by the African Central Bank due in 2021 or sometime?

    Considering the strength of Russian trade with Libya don't you think your sources are a bit biased?




    WTF? Is this meant to mean the end of the Bretton Woods agreement? That's so vague and inaccurate it's funny. A deal with the Saudi's, Lol. The Saudi's had nothing to do with the dollar being a reserve currency.
    The deal he's talking about was the agreement to end Bretton Woods, why? Because gold was wasn't sufficient to meet the trade deficits dating back 30 years to WW2 and because a huge portion of the gold reserves that currencies were supposed to be pegged to was in the Soviet Union. remember the cold war?

    Whats all that got to do with the price of butter ?

    The fact is he was in talks aimed at introducing the gold Dinar as the single African currency. This would clearly be a threat to the US and Europe.
    If you think he wasn't, state it and stop blabbering on. :pac:
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    I think you need to read this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_and_criticisms_of_RT

    Russia has huge multi-billion dollar contracts with Libya.

    Thanks for pointing that out.

    All the more reason to remove him. Wouldnt it be great to have someone more sympathetic to western interests in Gadaffi's place to distribute these "huge multi-billion dollar contracts" more favorably. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Talk E wrote: »
    Whats all that got to do with the price of butter ?

    It illustrates why your source for the story and your analysis of it is wildly inaccurate.
    Talk E wrote: »
    The fact is he was in talks aimed at introducing the gold Dinar as the single African currency. This would clearly be a threat to the US and Europe.
    If you think he wasn't, state it and stop blabbering on. :pac:

    I did, he tried it with the North Africa arab nations first, next it was a unified Africa movement. Gadaffi has been in and out of favor with everyone for the past 40 years.

    He wasn't in talks about any gold dinar. There has been a talk of an 'Afro' currency for years, various countries are in and out of it all the time.

    You say it's a fact but I don't think you would know a fact if it bit you on the ass. Show us where Gadaffi was 'in talks' about this magical golden diram.

    Since you actually think Libya is a Socialist country (except in name), it seems to me that you are simply towing the hard core Russian line on the story, Sheepleski if you will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Talk E wrote: »


    Thanks for pointing that out.

    All the more reason to remove him. Wouldnt it be great to have someone more sympathetic to western interests in Gadaffi's place to distribute these "huge multi-billion dollar contracts" more favorably. :pac:

    The guy was already giving the West almost as many contracts as we wanted, we aren't going to risk another Iraq just to get a few more, but why let common sense get in the way of a good theory.

    If the world had a cancerous tumor, one of them would definitely be this guy.

    (fairly long text coming up)
    After the 1969 coup, Muammar Gaddafi closed American and British bases and partly nationalized foreign oil and commercial interests in Libya.

    On 11 June 1972, Gaddafi announced that any Arab wishing to volunteer for Palestinian armed groups "can register his name at any Libyan embassy will be given adequate training for combat". He also promised financial support for attacks.

    On 7 October 1972, Gaddafi praised the Lod Airport massacre, carried out by the Japanese Red Army, and demanded Palestinian terrorist groups to carry out similar attacks.

    Gaddafi created the Islamic Legion, a mercenary group associated with Arab supremacism.
    He also played a key role in promoting oil embargoes as a political weapon, hoping that an oil price rise and embargo in 1973 would persuade the West to end support for Israel.

    In 1973 the Irish Naval Service intercepted the vessel Claudia in Irish territorial waters, which carried Soviet arms from Libya to the Provisional IRA.

    In 1976 after a series of terror attacks by the Provisional IRA, Gaddafi announced that "the bombs which are convulsing Britain and breaking its spirit are the bombs of Libyan people. We have sent them to the Irish revolutionaries so that the British will pay the price for their past deeds".

    Gaddafi was a close supporter of Ugandan President Idi Amin. Gaddafi was not alone – the Soviet Union armed Amin and East German Stasi agents came to build Amin's repression machinery.Gaddafi shipped troops to fight against Tanzania on behalf of Idi Amin. About 600 Libyan soldiers lost their lives attempting to defend the collapsing presidency of Amin, during which Amin's government killed hundreds of thousands of Ugandans.

    Gaddafi aided Jean-Bedel Bokassa, the Emperor of the Central African Empire.

    Together with Moscow and Fidel Castro, Gaddafi supported Soviet protege Haile Mariam Mengistu, who was later convicted for a genocide that killed thousands at least.

    In October 1981 Egypt's President Anwar Sadat was assassinated. Gaddafi applauded the murder and remarked that it was a punishment.
    Neighboring Arab countries and the United States became concerned of Gaddafi's policies, and they made a deal to increase in military credits and training.

    In April 1984, Libyan refugees in London protested against execution of two dissidents. Libyan diplomats shot at 11 people and killed a British policewoman. The incident led to the breaking off of diplomatic relations between the United Kingdom and Libya for over a decade.

    Gaddafi asserted in June 1984 that he wanted his agents to assassinate dissident refugees even when they were on pilgrimage in the holy city of Mecca. In August 1984, one Libyan plot in Mecca was thwarted by Saudi Arabian police.

    After December 1985 Rome and Vienna airport attacks, which killed 19 and wounded around 140, Gaddafi indicated that he would continue to support the Red Army Faction, the Red Brigades, and the Irish Republican Army as long as European countries support anti-Gaddafi Libyans.The Foreign Minister of Libya also called the massacres "heroic acts".

    In 1986 Libyan state television announced that Libya was training suicide squads to attack American and European interests.

    Gaddafi claimed the Gulf of Sidra as his territorial water and his navy was involved in a conflict from January to March 1986.

    On 5 April 1986, Libyan agents bombed "La Belle" nightclub in West Berlin, killing three people and injuring 229 people who were spending the evening there. Gaddafi's plan was intercepted by Western intelligence. More detailed information was retrieved years later when Stasi archives were investigated by the reunited Germany. Libyan agents who had carried out the operation from the Libyan embassy in East Germany were prosecuted by reunited Germany in the 1990s.

    Germany and the United States learned that the bombing in West Berlin had been ordered from Tripoli. On 14 April 1986, the United States carried out Operation El Dorado Canyon against Gaddafi and members of his regime. Air defenses, three army bases, and two airfields in Tripoli and Benghazi were bombed. The surgical strikes failed to kill Gaddafi but he lost a few dozen military officers.

    Gaddafi announced that he had won a spectacular military victory over the United States and the country was officially renamed the "Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriyah". However, his speech appeared devoid passion and even the "victory" celebrations appeared unusual. Criticism of Gaddafi by ordinary Libyan citizens became more bold, such as defacing of Gaddafi posters. The raids against Gaddafi had brought the regime to its the weakest point in 17 years.
    Many Western European countries took action against Libyan terror and other activities following years.

    Gaddafi fueled a number of Islamist and communist terrorist groups in the Philippines. The country still struggles with their murders and kidnappings.

    Gaddafi fueled paramilitaries in the Oceania. He attempted to radicalized New Zealand's Maoris. In Australia he financed trade unions and some politicians. In May 1987, Australia deported diplomats and broke off relations with Libya because of the activities in the Oceania.

    In late 1987 French authorities stopped a merchant vessel, the MV Eksund, which was delivering a 150 ton Libyan arms shipment to European terrorist groups.

    In 1991, two Libyan intelligence agents were indicted by prosecutors in the United States and United Kingdom for their involvement in the December 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103.
    Six other Libyans were put on trial in absentia for the 1989 bombing of UTA Flight 772 over Chad and Niger. The UN Security Council demanded that Libya surrender the suspects, cooperate with the Pan Am 103 and UTA 772 investigations, pay compensation to the victims' families, and cease all support for terrorism. Libya's refusal to comply led to the approval of Security Council Resolution 748 on March 31, 1992, imposing international sanctions on the state designed to bring about Libyan compliance. Continued Libyan defiance led to further sanctions by the UN against Libya in November 1993.

    Gaddafi trained and supported Charles Taylor, who was indicted by the Special Court for Sierra Leone for war crimes and crimes against humanity committed during the conflict in Sierra Leone.

    Libya had close ties with Slobodan Milošević's regime. Gaddafi aligned himself with the Orthodox Serbs against Bosnia's Muslims and Kosovo's Albanians. Gaddafi supported Milošević even when Milošević was charged with large-scale ethnic cleansing against Albanians in Kosovo.

    In 1999, less than a decade after the sanctions were put in place, Libya began to make dramatic policy changes in regard to the Western world, including turning over the Lockerbie suspects for trial. This diplomatic breakthrough followed years of negotiation, including a visit by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan to Libya in December 1998, and personal appeals by Nelson Mandela. Eventually UK Foreign Secretary Robin Cook persuaded the Americans to accept a trial of the suspects in the Netherlands under Scottish law, with the UN Security Council agreeing to suspend sanctions as soon as the suspects arrived in the Netherlands for trial.

    Following the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime in 2003, Gaddafi decided to abandon his weapons of mass destruction programmes and pay almost 3 billion US dollars in compensation to the families of Pan Am Flight 103 and UTA Flight 772. The decision was welcomed by many western nations and was seen as an important step toward Libya rejoining the international community.

    Since 2003 the country has made efforts to normalize its ties with the European Union and the United States and has even coined the catchphrase, 'The Libya Model', an example intended to show the world what can be achieved through negotiation, rather than force, when there is goodwill on both sides. By 2004 George W. Bush had lifted the economic sanctions and official relations resumed with the United States. Libya opened a liaison office in Washington, and the United States opened an office in Tripoli. In January 2004, Congressman Tom Lantos led the first official Congressional delegation visit to Libya.

    Libya has supported Sudan's President Omar al-Beshir despite charges of a genocide in Darfur.

    The release, in 2007, of five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor, who had been held since 1999, charged with conspiring to deliberately infect over 400 children with HIV, was seen as marking a new stage in Libyan-Western relations.
    The United States removed Gaddafi's regime, after 27 years, from its list of states sponsoring terrorism.

    On October 16, 2007, Libya was elected to serve on the United Nations Security Council for two years starting in January 2008. In February 2009, Gaddafi was selected to be chairman of the African Union for one year.
    In 2009 the United Kingdom and Libya signed a prisoner-exchange agreement and then Libya requested the transfer of the convicted Lockerbie bomber, who finally returned home in August 2009.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    (fairly short reply coming up)

    You stole someones post from another forum ? Kinda shameless isn't it ? :D



    http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-446137.html


    The only part you wrote yourself, you made a balls of.
    If the world had a cancerous tumor, one of them would definitely be this guy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Talk E wrote: »
    (fairly short reply coming up)

    You stole someones post from another forum ? Kinda shameless isn't it ? :D


    http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-446137.html



    It's a bit like the OP then isn't it. The only difference is the one you stole was everywhere and you put the word "firstly" into it to make it look like you wrote it didn't you. Eloquent facts :rolleyes: ha ha.

    http://inquiringminds.cc/eloquent-facts-of-the-socialist-libya

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/stargazer13/first-predator-strike-car_n_852854_85535944.html

    http://www.facebook.com/notes/real-news-blog-when-truth-matters/eloquent-facts-of-the-socialist-libya/172533896138586




    Gadaffi has never been involved in the Gold Dinar, it started in Malayasia and Indonesia who have minted their own.

    The use of gold as a currency is however strongly supported by "Austrian Economists". The original author of the quoted in the articles and video is, oddly enough a self confessed apostle of that school. Conspiracy anyone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    I posted that for your benefit and I linked, anyway it's not the same using a news source as stealing someones post. :pac:

    I'ma do a little more research and get back to you on this which admittedly I should have done first. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Talk E wrote: »
    I posted that for your benefit and I linked, anyway it's not the same using a news source as stealing someones post. :pac:

    No you didn't link anything. You stuck up a video.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Talk E wrote: »
    FIRSTLY HERE ARE SOME ELOQUENT FACTS ABOUT SOCIALIST LIBYA :)


    * They owe no money to IMF/World Bank
    * GDP per capita - $ 14,192.
    * Unemployment benefit - $ 730.
    * Each family member subsidized by the state gets annually $ 1.000
    * Salary for nurses - $ 1.000.
    * Every newborn is paid $ 7.000.
    * Newly wed bride and groom receive $ 64 thousand to purchase an apartment.
    * Major taxes and levies prohibited.
    * To open a personal business a one-time financial assistance of $ 20.000
    * Education and medicine are free.
    * Educ.Internships abroad - at government expense.
    * Stores for large families with symbolic prices for basic foodstuffs.
    * Part of pharmacies - with free dispensing.
    * Loans for buying a car and an apartment - no interest.
    * Real estate services are prohibited.,
    * Buying a car up to 50% paid by the State.
    * No Payment for electricity for the population.
    * Sales and use of alcohol is prohibited.
    * Petrol is cheaper than water. 1 liter of gasoline - $ 0.14.

    Gadaffi had an idea for a new currency called the golden Dinar. Made of actual gold, intended to truly share genuine wealth.

    SEE NO LINKS TO THE SOURCE OF YOUR ELOQUENT FACTS ha ha !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    Like I said... "it's not the same using a news source as stealing someones post. pacman.gif"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Talk E wrote: »
    Like I said... "it's not the same using a news source as stealing someones post. pacman.gif"

    GO on outs that. You dressed up as your own and got snared. :cool:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    studiorat wrote: »
    GO on outs that. You dressed up as your own and got snared. :cool:


    Lol. No way, just forgot to link. Even if I did, least it wasnt a post from another forum. That's just unforgivable. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Talk E wrote: »
    (fairly short reply coming up)

    You stole someones post from another forum ? Kinda shameless isn't it ? :D



    http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-446137.html


    The only part you wrote yourself, you made a balls of.

    Incorrect, I got it directly from Wikipedia, and edited out the citations

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya (Libya under Gaddafi)

    Instead of trying to engage the topic you obviously just searched for those lines just to somehow
    undermine the argument

    Did you even bother to read any of it before googling the first line?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    I've pretty much found the source of this, coupled with the other video



    Since when do conspiracy theorists suddenly start lapping up state propaganda?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    I've pretty much found the source of this, coupled with the other video



    Since when do conspiracy theorists suddenly start lapping up state propaganda?

    I know. In one instance Gadaffi had 140 people killed by snipers for protesting. And some twits would rather believe it's a Zionist plot or some bollix.

    Russia wiped out over 4 billion dollars (or something or others) in a deal to sell Libya arms, build a railway and stage a naval base there. So Putin and his comrades need Gadaffi there, otherwise that's 4 billion down the swanny. That's why they sat on their arse during the vote. Hence we're seeing RT doing their best to spread the word.

    Libya is socialist only in name, Gadaffi has wasted billions of vanity projects so although the GDP looks healthy there's no distribution of wealth. Health care isn't all it's made out to be either to be with most who can afford it traveling abroad.

    Thing is this has been coming for a long time. There's been dissent in Benghazi long before the Arab spring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    studiorat wrote: »
    I know. In one instance Gadaffi had 140 people killed by snipers for protesting. And some twits would rather believe it's a Zionist plot or some bollix.

    You think the Western governments are spending hundreds of millions/billions just because of that? If that was the case they'd be going into dozens of other countries. People who believe that tend to be a bit naive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    profitius wrote: »
    You think the Western governments are spending hundreds of millions/billions just because of that? If that was the case they'd be going into dozens of other countries. People who believe that tend to be a bit naive.

    No, I think it's one reason. Another is the uprising has already taken control of several costal cities and has forced many senior Libyan diplomats to defect overseas. The rebels include officers from the original coup which saw Gadaffi come to power as well as ministers from his own government.



    Libya has the option to form a government through free elections, the anti-Gadaffi members are in a position to do that. As I've said already there has been unease with the situation for at least the last two years. This is not the case in Syria for example.


    When you say Western Governments who exactly are you talking about?
    The original no-fly zone was to protect civilians and was backed by the Arab League as well as the UN.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    studiorat wrote: »
    No, I think it's one reason. Another is the uprising has already taken control of several costal cities and has forced many senior Libyan diplomats to defect overseas. The rebels include officers from the original coup which saw Gadaffi come to power as well as ministers from his own government.



    Libya has the option to form a government through free elections, the anti-Gadaffi members are in a position to do that. As I've said already there has been unease with the situation for at least the last two years. This is not the case in Syria for example.


    When you say Western Governments who exactly are you talking about?
    The original no-fly zone was to protect civilians and was backed by the Arab League as well as the UN.


    Perhaps the League were unaware of the U.N's definition of no fly zone.
    CAIRO — The Arab League secretary general, Amr Moussa, deplored the broad scope of the U.S.-European bombing campaign in Libya and said Sunday that he would call a league meeting to reconsider Arab approval of the Western military intervention.
    Moussa said the Arab League’s approval of a no-fly zone on March 12 was based on a desire to prevent Moammar Gaddafi’s air force from attacking civilians and was not designed to endorse the intense bombing and missile attacks — including on Tripoli, the capital, and on Libyan ground forces — whose images have filled Arab television screens for two days.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/arab-league-condemns-broad-bombing-campaign-in-libya/2011/03/20/AB1pSg1_story.html



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Talk E wrote: »
    Perhaps the League were unaware of the U.N's definition of no fly zone.


    Who did you rob that one off. Come back to me when you have an idea of your own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Talk E wrote: »
    Perhaps the League were unaware of the U.N's definition of no fly zone.

    About the Moussa quote I'll give you that much, he complained before, then backed out, now hes complaining again. In my opinion the man is an idiot and the league is a sham.

    I feel you are dipping and diving and sniping here, do you know anything about this conflict? personally, I've been following it since day one (same with Egypt and Tunisia)


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Incorrect, I got it directly from Wikipedia, and edited out the citations

    AKA Plagiarism. :o

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya (Libya under Gaddafi)
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Instead of trying to engage the topic you obviously just searched for those lines just to somehow
    undermine the argument
    Somehow? :pac:


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