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Mark Simpson BBC journalist - Anti-Irish?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Pauleta


    lima wrote: »
    No, I just get offended by his way of covering Irish related stories. I am not hostile to him because of his religion, though he appears to be hostile to Ireland.

    For the 3rd time. How do you know what church he attends on Sundays?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭lima


    Pauleta wrote: »
    For the 3rd time. How do you know what church he attends on Sundays?

    Based on his tone in his reporting of Ireland, his accent and his surname, one would assume that it is more likely than not that he is either Presbyterian or Church of Ireland. It is acknowledged that this may not be the case, however based on statistics I have given my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭tim_holsters


    lima wrote: »
    Can't get a bleedin' job back home, least I'm not costing the state anything

    Bad luck, but you really shouldn't be so sensitive Simpson may or may not be a dcik but what he's said is utterly harmless and unfortunately for the most part true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭lima


    Bad luck, but you really shouldn't be so sensitive Simpson may or may not be a dcik but what he's said is utterly harmless and unfortunately for the most part true.

    It's just an AH rant, I'm not up there at White City demonstrating or anything!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭DingChavez


    Something like this, is he?


    (yes, I realise thats Skye news, not BBC)

    Go to 1.15:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭gigino


    brummytom wrote: »
    Every report he does makes me want to punch the TV, he couldn't be more of a protestant.

    lima wrote: »
    Why get an anti-Irish, Northern-Irish Protestant to cover Irish news when he clearly is going to be bias

    lima wrote: »
    I am not hostile to him because of his religion
    It comes across that you are hostile to him because of his religion, otherwise why bring it up in your original post ? As a catholic I do not mind what religion others are ; you made what seems to be a damaging and sectarian assumption when you wrote "Why get an anti-Irish, Northern-Irish Protestant to cover Irish news when he clearly is going to be bias"...when later on in the thread you admit " one would assume that it is more likely than not that he is either Presbyterian or Church of Ireland"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭gigino


    lima wrote: »
    His religion shows that he is most likely a unionist and therefore his views are probably going to be skewed by hostility towards Ireland

    I think your views are probably going to be skewed by your sectarian attitude....especially when you do not know his religion, and anyway a persons religion is their own business, not yours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭lima


    gigino wrote: »
    It comes across that you are hostile to him because of his religion, otherwise why bring it up in your original post ? As a catholic I do not mind what religion others are ; you made what seems to be a damaging and sectarian assumption when you wrote "Why get an anti-Irish, Northern-Irish Protestant to cover Irish news when he clearly is going to be bias"...when later on in the thread you admit " one would assume that it is more likely than not that he is either Presbyterian or Church of Ireland"

    First of all I did not say one of those quotes, someone else did.

    Secondly I am not hostile to him, I am saying he is hostile to Ireland.

    The only assumption I made was that everyone from the protestant community in NI would mention the bad things about Ireland if they were journalists.

    And, my 'one would assume..' comment... yes, one would assume. I'm stating probability.

    My point anyway is that this guy does not give good reports because he comes across as if he would love to see Ireland go down the drain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭lima


    gigino wrote: »
    I think your views are probably going to be skewed by your sectarian attitude....especially when you do not know his religion, and anyway a persons religion is their own business, not yours.

    So I'm sectarian because I think he's probably protestant? god what's the world coming to :rolleyes:

    Point being he is not from RoI, and you would swear he has something against Ireland due to mentioning bad things about Ireland. It would almost seem that his (probable) religion would have something to do with it.

    My views have been explained here with quotes from the reporter. I seek to find news that is fair, true and not bias towards anything. I just don't see it from him.

    That is all, chill.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭gigino


    lima wrote: »
    Secondly I am not hostile to him, I am saying he is hostile to Ireland.
    If you think you were not hostile to him in your original post, or by starting this thread, I would not like to see you when you are hostile !

    Anyway, you say he is hostile to Ireland. He is a journalist and that is his job. What did he do or say that you think is untrue ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭lima


    gigino wrote: »
    If you think you were not hostile to him in your original post, or by starting this thread, I would not like to see you when you are hostile !

    Anyway, you say he is hostile to Ireland. He is a journalist and that is his job. What did he do or say that you think is untrue ?

    Re-read the thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭gigino


    lima wrote: »
    The only assumption I made was that everyone from the protestant community in NI would mention the bad things about Ireland if they were journalists.
    and what assumptions do you make if the boot was on the other foot i.e what assumptions would be made if everyone from the catholic community was a journalist ? and would you be hosile to them because they would also be bad journalists ?
    lima wrote: »
    Point being he is not from RoI, and you would swear he has something against Ireland due to mentioning bad things about Ireland. It would almost seem that his (probable) religion would have something to do with it.
    So no journalists from the Republic, and no catholic journalists , have ever said anything "bad about Ireland" ? Grow up.

    n.b maybe you think if someone says something bad about Ireland - or even about our economy - they must be a protestant traitor, a useless journalist lol lol.

    You remind me of chemical Ali in Iraq. lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    lima wrote: »
    Never said he says untrue things

    He mentions more of the bad things going on in Ireland than the good ones:

    But that's because the newsworthy events happening in Ireland right now are more likely to be negative than positive. He's no different in that than the Sky coverage, or that of Channel 4, or even (especially), the Irish broadcasters. I would have thought was pretty obvious.
    Quotes from Twatter:

    'Aviva stadium in Dublin at kick-off looks like the sporting equivalent of a ghost estate'

    It did.
    'Economic theme to NI fans chants in Dublin to Republic fans - "Where's your Tiger gone?"'

    That's funny and relevant. What's wrong with it? He also quoted what the ROI fans shouted back.
    "'Ask not what Ireland can do for Obama, but what Obama can do for Ireland' said one Dublin politician. US tourists badly needed."

    Umm, that's true. And it's a quote from an Irish politician.
    lima wrote: »
    In his Obama Visit article (however I realise this was posted in the USA/Canada section of the BBC website:



    "It also allowed him to woo the 37m Irish-Americans back home who are wondering where their vote will go in next year's presidential election." - assuming the only reason for Obama's visit was for the American-Irish vote

    It's commonly assumed that that is one of the reasons for his visit. Why shouldn't he mention it?
    "What happened next was the most predictable event in Ireland since Jedward were picked to represent the country in the recent Eurovision Song Contest." - Bringing up those ejits so as to ridicule Ireland

    So he shouldn't report on what actually happened? And how does the fact that Jedward entertained the crowd demean Ireland?
    ""I just want you to know that the President pays his bar tab," he announced. It is just as well. Ireland needs all the money it can get." - Saying that we are desperate for money, even the price of a pint will help - very patronising in my opinion.

    It was a segue into a discussion about the Irish economy. Mightn't have been well done, but it's a pretty common journalistic device. Noting to see here...
    "Ireland is going through a four-year austerity programme, in order to start to pay back its 85bn euros international bail-out.
    The visit of the American president this week - and the Queen last week - may pave the way for more inward investment. They will almost certainly lead to a tourism boost.
    However, the road to recovery for the Irish economy is going to be a bumpy one.
    The immediate priority for the Dublin government is to negotiate a lower interest rate for their bail-out, and ensure that they resist European efforts to force them to raise corporation tax.
    It is not clear whether they will succeed"
    - what is the point of mentioning this?? This is just bringing up bad news for the sake of it.

    Perhaps he could have left it out, but people are interested in this.
    "After two years of economic meltdown, the VIP visits have got many Irish eyes smiling again." - 'Irish Eyes Smiling' - making us out to be stupidly gullible in that we now think everything will be ok.

    American politicians and Irish America commonly use this phrase. Are they demeaning us too? Seriously, talk about hyper-sensitivity.
    lima wrote: »

    The only assumption I made was that everyone from the protestant community in NI would mention the bad things about Ireland if they were journalists.

    What a moronic assumption. You sound pretty hostile to Northern Protestants yourself there. Some of Ireland's greatest patriots were Northern Protestants.
    My point anyway is that this guy does not give good reports because he comes across as if he would love to see Ireland go down the drain.

    The fact is that there have been precious few good news stories emanating from Ireland recently. In that regard, the BBC reporting has been no different from their reports on Greece and Portugal, or Irish media coverage of Ireland.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    am i the only one not seeing the anti Irish sentiment?,just because he isn't saying how everybody loves Ireland doesn't exactly mean he's anti Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    am i the only one not seeing the anti Irish sentiment?,just because he isn't saying how everybody loves Ireland doesn't exactly mean he's anti Irish.

    Can't see anything wrong with what he's said in those twitterings or reports.

    Can see plenty wrong with the opening post and subsequent ones that are trying to make the point that a particular person being from NI or potentially being non-catholic somehow means that your not allowed an opinion on the state of Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    brummytom wrote: »
    Every report he does makes me want to punch the TV, he couldn't be more of a protestant.

    Next he'll be promoting his Protestant work ethic *shudder*


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