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Climbing Mt. Everest

  • 24-05-2011 01:27PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    Considering that about 5% who attempt Mt. Everest Die in the process (over 200 have died) Should a guy with small kids attempt the journey? I know life has its risks but is it irresponsable to risk your life and leave a family behind.

    I would love to attempt Mt. Everest, but apart from the risk of death there is also a financial risk to my wife and kids because my Life insurance would not be paid out if I die on everest.

    I don't want to comment on the story in the press today, poor guy, but it really is a calculated risk trying to reach the summit.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    alex73 wrote: »
    Considering that about 5% who attempt Mt. Everest Die in the process (over 200 have died) Should a guy with small kids attempt the journey? I know life has its risks but is it irresponsable to risk your life and leave a family behind.

    I would love to attempt Mt. Everest, but apart from the risk of death there is also a financial risk to my wife and kids because my Life insurance would not be paid out if I die on everest.

    I don't want to comment on the story in the press today, poor guy, but it really is a calculated risk trying to reach the summit.

    He's dead.

    How can this be a good decision


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭cml387


    orourkeda wrote: »
    He's dead.

    How can this be a good decision

    Who's dead?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    Fair play to him for trying and may he rest in peace


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭cml387


    Sparks43 wrote: »
    Fair play to him for trying and may he rest in peace

    Who,WHO?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,342 ✭✭✭✭That_Guy


    cml387 wrote: »
    Who's dead?

    John Delaney... And not that John Delaney.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    cml387 wrote: »
    Who's dead?


    An Irishman has died attempting to reach the summit of Mount Everest, days after his wife gave birth to a baby girl.
    John Delaney, 41, from Kilcock in Co Kildare, is understood to have collapsed less than 50 metres from the top. He is the first Irish man to die on the world's highest mountain.
    The climber, managing director of an online market prediction company, died on Saturday but because his team was out of contact it has only just been confirmed.
    Mr Delaney - who also had two young sons - died without knowing his wife Orla gave birth to a baby girl last Wednesday.
    Orla's brother Liam Hurley said she was planning to call the baby Hope.
    'The one person who can describe him best is the one person who can't speak at the moment, and that's Orla,' said Mr Hurley.
    'He was a generous, loving guy - the family came first for him.'
    Mr Delaney and his wife were married five years ago. He had been mountaineering for several years and was attempting to conquer Everest after a failed attempt five years ago.
    His body will remain on Everest because it would be too dangerous for the rest of his team to bring it back to base.
    'He adored his two children, and he spent as much time as he could with them,' said a distraught Mr Hurley. 'It's just a shame he's not going to get to meet the third.'
    He was originally from Ballinakill, Co Laois, where his mother still lives. He also leaves a brother and a sister.
    Irish adventurer Pat Falvey, who knew Mr Delaney and has been in contact with Everest base camp about the tragedy, said it was the first Irish death on Everest.
    'John was a passionate adventurer who loved challenge and mountains. He will be sadly missed by all his family and friends,' he said.
    Mr Delaney was among a team of 18, including one US and six Russian climbers, eight Sherpas and two other guides.
    They left a camp at 8,300 metres last Friday evening in a bid to scale the final section of the notorious peak.
    After he got into difficulty, Sherpas helped Mr Delaney down the mountainside but attempts to resuscitate him failed.
    Mr Delaney left for the expedition on 9 April.
    It was separate from the team involving Mark Quinn, 26, who became the youngest Irish man to reach the Everest summit at the weekend.
    Mr Hurley appealed for Mr Delaney's family to be given the privacy to deal with their grief.
    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    Sad news, hadn't heard until this thread:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0524/delaneyj.html

    Another young Irish man made it to the summit only a few days ago.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    Unless your an experienced climber don't do it.
    Everest takes years of preparation and its your inexperience that will kill you if you dont prepare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    cml387 wrote: »
    Who's dead?

    The climber from Kilkenny whose wife recently gave birth. He died 50 metres from the summit of mount everest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Uncle Mclovin


    It was a crazy decision to attempt Everest considering his wife was due.

    It says on the RTE website that he didn't even know she gave birth.

    It then follows up with a quote that he was a loving family man and that his family always came first. Madness.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    Did not want the discussion to focus on the person. Rather on the general moral principle of taking this risk of Dying and leaving your family without a Father (and maybe without an income). Is it morally acceptable to try Mt. everest if you have 3 small kids?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    RIP it is a sad story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    alex73 wrote: »
    Did not want the discussion to focus on the person. Rather on the general moral principle of taking this risk of Dying and leaving your family without a Father (and maybe without an income). Is it morally acceptable to try Mt. everest if you have 3 small kids?

    It's a bit unavoidable really. .

    RIP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭cml387


    It seems to me that it is a kind of tourist attraction now. Pay a "guide" an unfeasibly large sum of money and you too can climb everest (although I do note this guy R.I P. seems to have been an experienced mountaineer).

    But I get scared on the top of a step ladder,so I'm hardly qualified to judge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭Quandary


    alex73 wrote: »
    Did not want the discussion to focus on the person. Rather on the general moral principle of taking this risk of Dying and leaving your family without a Father (and maybe without an income). Is it morally acceptable to try Mt. everest if you have 3 small kids?

    I would say no.

    However improbable, the possible effect of destroying 4 lives is just not worth it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    alex73 wrote: »
    Did not want the discussion to focus on the person. Rather on the general moral principle of taking this risk of Dying and leaving your family without a Father (and maybe without an income). Is it morally acceptable to try Mt. everest if you have 3 small kids?

    Yes it is acceptable imho

    5% chance of death on the Mountain

    Plenty of chances to die at home or even crossing a road

    He took a risk and sadly lost his life but i have the height of respect for him for trying


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    It was a crazy decision to attempt Everest considering his wife was due.

    It says on the RTE website that he didn't even know she gave birth.

    It then follows up with a quote that he was a loving family man and that his family always came first. Madness.
    alex73 wrote: »
    Did not want the discussion to focus on the person. Rather on the general moral principle of taking this risk of Dying and leaving your family without a Father (and maybe without an income). Is it morally acceptable to try Mt. everest if you have 3 small kids?

    It's not for us to criticise his decisions or his devotion to his family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    cml387 wrote: »
    It seems to me that it is a kind of tourist attraction now. Pay a "guide" an unfeasibly large sum of money and you too can climb everest (although I do note this guy R.I P. seems to have been an experienced mountaineer).

    But I get scared on the top of a step ladder,so I'm hardly qualified to judge.

    Did you plant a flag on it?:confused:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭Deus Ex Machina


    As William Wallace said, all men die, but few men really live. I think life is made of the risks we do and don't take, and I am not going to criticise him for taking this one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    If everyone had to make the choice between resigning to a quiet life with their families and taking chances, then we probably wouldn't be where we are today


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    hondasam wrote: »
    It's not for us to criticise his decisions or his devotion to his family.

    Ok, I am not focusing on the decision on the Person who died, but in general on the principle.

    I planned to Climb Mt. Everest.. But my wife said if I did to not come home. She said it would be selfish of me to Risk my life. Apart from the fact it would cost me 25K to do it.

    Maybe if I were single I would go for it. But to attempt it knowing you have a 5% chance of dying?...

    Yes Life has risks, I could be run over by a car. But the chances are not 5%.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    As William Wallace said, all men die, but few men really live.

    Mel Gibson said that :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


    but yeah, RIP to that guy and all, but it has to be said that climbing a big mountain shouldn't really be his main priority given that his missus was about to pop, then again who are we to tell him what to do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭Quandary


    If everyone had to make the choice between resigning to a quiet life with their families and taking chances, then we probably wouldn't be where we are today

    Agreed.

    But taking chances, however small, with lives (in this case his/her family) other than your own is not acceptable imo. At the end of the day it is a selfish, indulgent endeavor to put your family through that kind of needless worry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alex73 wrote: »
    Ok, I am not focusing on the decision on the Person who died, but in general on the principle.

    I planned to Climb Mt. Everest.. But my wife said if I did to not come home. She said it would be selfish of me to Risk my life. Apart from the fact it would cost me 25K to do it.

    Maybe if I were single I would go for it. But to attempt it knowing you have a 5% chance of dying?...

    Yes Life has risks, I could be run over by a car. But the chances are not 5%.

    I don't think it's selfish to want to fulfil a dream,life is full of difficult choices.

    you will probably always regret not doing it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    hondasam wrote: »
    I don't think it's selfish to want to fulfil a dream,life is full of difficult choices.

    you will probably always regret not doing it.

    I do regret it. Would be great. But then again reading the news today I think (for me) its better I put my family before my dreams? Anyway I could not find an insurer in Ireland who would cover my life insurance if I died on Everest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    Apart from high-altitude tourists, people who go to Chomolungma have most likely already been mountaineering for quite a while, faced these decisions many times and have already made their mind up about what they want to pursue.

    Is it irresponsible to carry on after you have a family? Maybe.
    If you know someone is a serious mountaineer and has their sights on this, or similar targets, is it assuming a risk to have a family with them? Maybe so.
    Personally, as a fairy serious climber, I made my choice not to have a family long ago, not that that's a criticism of anyone who does otherwise and I don't know that my choice was right either now that I'm older.

    If you're interested in this, it may be worth reading Regions Of The Heart, it's about Alison Hargreaves, who went through all this as a wife, mother and mountaineer. She faced (unfairly IMO) more criticism than men in the same situation. It's a pretty broad, deep, well written analysis, of her as a climber and as a wife and mother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭tightropetom


    alex73 wrote: »
    Considering that about 5% who attempt Mt. Everest Die in the process (over 200 have died) Should a guy with small kids attempt the journey? I know life has its risks but is it irresponsable to risk your life and leave a family behind. t.

    Um, how is 200 fatalities equal to 5% of over 11,000 attempts? Your numbers are a bit flawed there buddy. There have been 4000-ish succesful ascents. But not everyone who dies has died in a sucessful ascent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    So going by the people who say its not allowable to take risks when you have a young family then people with kids shouldnt head out to Sea to make a living/Shouldnt be Firemen or any other occupation that has inherent risks:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Life is for living - so yes right to try it - with 5% chance of death is not really that much of a selfish risk

    Whats the point spending all you life on a sofa?

    tragic all the same though


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    Sparks43 wrote: »
    So going by the people who say its not allowable to take risks when you have a young family then people with kids shouldnt head out to Sea to make a living/Shouldnt be Firemen or any other occupation that has inherent risks:confused:

    Yes, But a Firemen has life insurance.. Has anyone see the quote for life insurance when trying to climb everest?


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