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Beef, Pork, Lamb and processed meat now give you cancer.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Funded by the LGTMAC* Foundation I heard.



    *Lisa's Going To Marry A Carrot

    Ah yes part of the ARSE* conglomerate.


    *Apple, Radish and Swede Emporium


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Amazing how SCIENCE is usually held up as the great proveyor of truth, until it fcuks with the bacon sambo that is, then it's: 'Ah sure what does science know'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Amazing how SCIENCE is usually held up as the great proveyor of truth, until it fcuks with the bacon sambo that is, then it's: 'Ah sure what does science know'.

    Because it's bacon! We all know bacon solves everything, as I've already said many times.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Amazing how SCIENCE is usually held up as the great proveyor of truth, until it fcuks with the bacon sambo that is, then it's: 'Ah sure what does science know'.

    The Veggies have got to Pete!

    You're one of them! ONE OF THEM!!!! :eek:


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Zelda Tinkling Menu


    Opelfruit wrote: »
    Not everything. Yesterday I was reading a report that beef, pork & lamb did not give you canc....wait, scratch that, it seems that today they do. We'll just have to wait until tomorrow and see what the next report says.

    Reports give you cancer.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Cancer gives you bacon.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Zelda Tinkling Menu


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Cancer gives you bacon.

    Both improved with irradiation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    Correlation does not equal causation

    /thread


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    Correlation does not equal causation

    /thread

    No, but correlation can warrant further study.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭dagdha


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    Jeez, every single thing that surrounds us and we eat / drink gives us cancer. This bottle of Lucozade will give me cancer, that glass of water will give me cancer, the Pringles I ate last night will give me cancer, that red-headed kid I saw the other day will give me cancer.

    How did we ever get this far as a race when everything surrounding us gives us cancer?

    What's next, too much oxygen gives you cancer?

    I'm pretty sure this has been proven as a scientific fact. If they look at you too long or even if you are in their presence without realising it the chances of getting cancer multiplies x100.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    dagdha wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure this has been proven as a scientific fact. If they look at you too long or even if you are in their presence without realising it the chances of getting cancer multiplies x100.

    It's the gingers I worry about. Red-heads are ok.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19 FlowersByRay


    This screen will give you cancer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭purity


    Lucky for me I don't eat red meat, But I wouldn't delve too much into it as everything is linked to cancer even breathing!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    It's been statistically proven that birthdays are a significant cause of death.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    I smoke like a train if anything is going to get me its that.


    I have a distinct hatred of extremely processed white bread though and blame a lot of things on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭ClimberC


    Never mind that sh1te.

    Apparently Radiation gives you cancer.........what ever will they come up with next?? :eek:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    I blame these weather conditions on processed white bread.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Wouldn't be surprised if some phd student came out with it, the media printed it and people believed it.

    They screen millions of studies and a tiny amount get called credible. It's not exactly an amateur operation! I've seen the same thing spouted by health journals and cancer institutes for years, so this isn't new. I think most people eat more in a day than these places recommend for a week, and that's not even the processed stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Humans are dumb, they want studies for everything. If you even mention that something is bad, they want double blind studies showing definitive proof that something is bad. Christ, did anyone really think processed, nitrate filled, reformed "ham" was going to be good for them?

    It's staggering the amount of people that believe that slices of ham are actually just sliced off a roast UNprocessed ham when the packet says "crumbed" on it, or "traditional". They think that these products must be the real thing in that case and not reformed at all.

    Humans have gone so far away from eating well now it's criminal. I have no problem with people eating whatever the fcuk they want, but please don't feed that crap to your kids, or if your expecting actually, it's poison, literally. How hard is it to buy some fresh meat, salads and vegetables. If you have to have ham, buy one that is free from nitrates and slice it yourself. Don't tell me you can't afford it, as processed ham is ridiculously expensive, not to mention the fact that it's full of water.

    We only have to look at our pets and the illnesses and diseases that they have in common with us, to see that what we consume is not healthy. Dogs and cats have tumors, epilepsy, diabetes, autoimmune disorders, asthma, heart disease etc etc etc. They should be our canary in the mine, but no - just as with humans, we spend our a fortune on medicating them and treating their illnesses as we do our own, as pill deficiencies. God forbid we actually spent the same amount of money studying forms of prevention.

    Was at a friend's house recently and brought with me some steak for their dog, who hasn't been well with one thing and another. Believe it was put down to allergies by a vet. Asked could I give him some meat I brought, no problem they said but then when they seen it was raw meat, had a nervous breakdown and said I should roast it first. Why says I, only to be told that he prefers that and only really has well cooked meat once a week as the dog has signs of heat disease and so they are cutting back on fatty red meat and only giving him lean well cooked stuff, with crackers :rolleyes: Is it any wonder pets are surcombing to the same disorders and illnesses as us.
    There are people out there with "vegan" dogs, that live on processed high carb junk. Whatever happened to common sense when it comes to food. People need to stop looking to "science" to provide studies on what is and isn't safe to eat, use your wholegrain loaf ffs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Humans are dumb, they want studies for everything.

    That's adorable.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    I wonder if there are studies correlating meat consumption on a national per capita basis with cancers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Another scare story which we should take but with a little scepticism ...

    We hear the term 'a well balanced diet ' enough which mean precisely that ,a litte bit of this ,that and everything in between with a bit of experimenting with other foods along the way .Getting the food and nutrition diet right is not just ment for slimmers and sports minded people ,everybodys responsible for what goes into our bodys and it's up to us to get educated as much as possible about food and how to get the best nutrients and vitamins from without thinking we have to fork out a fortune for it .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭wideangle


    Lamb is actually white meat not red:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    slowburner wrote: »
    It's been statistically proven that birthdays are a significant cause of death.
    That last ones a killer ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Cancer's what you get for living in a country where malaria, HIV/AIDS, childbirth or diarrhea doesn't kill you. In the poorest countries cancer doesn't even make the top ten causes of death.

    However, even in medium income countries colon and rectum cancers aren't in the top ten whereas in high income countries that's the seventh most common cause. I'd guess that one of the big lifestyle differences between middle and high income countries is eating lots of red meat and fatty processed foods.

    (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html)

    And it's fairly obvious that the human body didn't evolve to eat burgers, steak and chops seven days a week. The link between smoking and cancer was thought by many to be scaremongering or at least a gross over statement when it first emerged, people rarely react well to being told that things they like are bad for them regardless of how true it might be. You'd swear that article was actually saying "don't eat any meat" instead of "cut down on meat".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    I love red meat. I got a giant steak today, cooked it for a few minutes so it was nice and bloody and then ate it. By itself, a big mostly-raw piece of steak, mm delicious. F*ck that the cancer's worth it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    Define "processed meat"

    All meat is processed to a degree unless you catch yourself and eat it raw off the bone

    What is in the processing process that is introducing the carcengins
    and are different types of processed meats worse than others
    Is a chicken burger worse than cooked ham?????!!?!??! :confused:

    They need to idenitfy what is causing the problem in the process
    and reduce it or elimnate it or at least highlight that aspect?.

    I am confused ??!!?? :confused::confused:

    They really need to give more infomartion here and do more research

    saying avoid processed meats is retarded and counterproductive?

    Can I still eat blacking pudding or chicken nuggets?:confused::confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Lol at how people take these studies so personally - as if the scientists are trying to be mean to you. So many processed foods are absolutely brimming with nasty stuff. I try to avoid them as much as I can, however I'm too lazy not to completely, but it's not scaremongering just because it's not a nice thing to learn about.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    Dudess wrote: »
    Lol at how people take these studies so personally - as if the scientists are trying to be mean to you. So many processed foods are absolutely brimming with nasty stuff. I try to avoid them as much as I can, however I'm too lazy not to completely, but it's not scaremongering just because it's not a nice thing to learn about.

    My point is what is it the processed meats that is doing the damage

    Processed meats defines such a huge range of foods and products that
    it's just too broad a title if you want to change behaviour or the processing itself.


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