Beef, Pork, Lamb and processed meat now give you cancer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/23/cut-red-meat-cancer-researchers

Cancer experts have issued a fresh warning about eating red and processed meat after "the most authoritative report" on the subject blamed them for causing the disease.

The World Cancer Research Fund (WCRF) is advising people to limit their intake of red meats such as beef, pork and lamb, and to avoid processed meat such as ham and salami altogether. "Convincing evidence" that both types of meat increase the risk of bowel cancer means people should think seriously about reducing how much they eat, it recommends.

Joke.. If my body has evolved over millions of years to eat meat, I'm going to eat it. If it gives me cancer, tough luck.. I was clearly destined to get what is obviously a very natural illness.

Really hate this scaremongering in the media.. What are we allowed to eat nowadays that wont give us cancer.

chin_grin

Reading threads about cancer, gives you cancer!

Wouldn't be surprised if some phd student came out with it, the media printed it and people believed it.

TaraFoxglove

Did we evolve to eat processed meat? :eek: Wow, and they say evolution isn't forward-looking!

Sinfonia

What's the point of living a few extra years if ya can't tuck into a juicy steak or a burrito?

Again, seeing what you want to see Tara. It clearly says beef, pork and lamb aswell.

Everything gives you cancer

TaraFoxglove

Deleted User wrote: »

Again, seeing what you want to see Tara. It clearly says beef, pork and lamb aswell.

So you... didn't type 'processed meat' then?

TaraFoxglove

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

So you... didn't type 'processed meat' then?

This quote shows I already acknowledged that I typed it.

"It clearly says beef, pork and lamb aswell."

Are you baiting me into a banning because of the fatties thread?

TaraFoxglove

Deleted User wrote: »

This quote shows I already acknowledged that I typed it.

Obviously we can handle meat in its natural form.

The jury is out on processed meat because we didn't evolve to handle them.

Not baiting at all.

TaraFoxglove

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Obviously we can handle meat in its natural form.

The jury is out on processed meat because we didn't evolve to handle them.

Not baiting at all.

The article and research says we can't handle meat in it's natural form.. That's where my issue is. Saying something we've eaten for millions of years is giving us cancer.

slowburner

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/23/cut-red-meat-cancer-researchers



Joke.. If my body has evolved over millions of years to eat meat, I'm going to eat it. If it gives me cancer, tough luck.. I was clearly destined to get what is obviously a very natural illness.

Really hate this scaremongering in the media.. What are we allowed to eat nowadays that wont give us cancer.

Your body hasn't evolved over millions of years to eat vast quantities of salt, sugars, sulphides/sulphates and nitrates. There weren't that many E numbers around when we came down from the trees, either.
Nor is your body designed to eat meat every day. It is designed to eat meat, occasionally, and the meat was the reward for all the energy expended in the hunt.
I love meat but I'm taking this research seriously.

Dravokivich

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Obviously we can handle meat in its natural form.

The jury is out on processed meat because we didn't evolve to handle them.

Not baiting at all.

limit their intake of red meats such as beef, pork and lamb, and to avoid processed meat such as ham and salami altogether

The article also references unprocessed meat.

Adyx

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Obviously we can handle meat in its natural form.

The jury is out on processed meat because we didn't evolve to handle them.

Not baiting at all.

Obviously we can't handle it since it also causes cancer apparently. Personally, I'll take my chances with both.

Hookah

Deleted User wrote: »

The article and research says we can't handle meat in it's natural form.. That's where my issue is. Saying something we've eaten for millions of years is giving us cancer.

I think we may have evolved to eat only little bits of meat (processed meat aside), not eat meat twice or 3 times a day.

reprazant

Deleted User wrote: »

The article and research says we can't handle meat in it's natural form.. That's where my issue is. Saying something we've eaten for millions of years is giving us cancer.

The article says that we can handle it as long as you don't eat too much of it.

This is not new news.

Even as a kid, my folks always said that you should eat a varied diet eating lots of veg, fish and white meat and that was over 20 years ago.

You saying that the article says we should avoid red meat is rubbish scaremongering.

Tea_Bag

im having a nice juicy steak tonight in celebration of this new found research, and im not having any side salad or veg either.

Life isnt worth living without meat and milk.

TaraFoxglove

Dravokivich wrote: »

The article also references unprocessed meat.

Yes, I know that.

The OP said we evolved to eat meat. Well, we haven't evolved to eat meat in processed form.

slowburner wrote: »

Your body hasn't evolved over millions of years to eat vast quantities of salt, sugars, sulphides/sulphates and nitrates. There weren't that many E numbers around when we came down from the trees, either.
Nor is your body designed to eat meat every day. It is designed to eat meat, occasionally, and the meat was the reward for all the energy expended in the hunt.
I love meat but I'm taking this research seriously.

This, basically. Especially the bolded bit.

Adyx wrote: »

Obviously we can't handle it since it also causes cancer apparently. Personally, I'll take my chances with both.

Like, Hookah said, small amounts of unprocessed meat are probably fine.

RachaelVO

I'm not a huge fan of beef, but holy ****e, Lamb, love the stuff, oh and proper corned beef hmmmmmm. *big sigh*

Mind you, my uncle was a coroner, and I remember him telling me that red meat stays in the bowl for quiet a long time (can't remember how long now) and that it basically rots in your bowel. Now I could be quoting him slightly wrong, but I don't think so. If that is the case, that might be the connection!

slowburner

Tea_Bag wrote: »

im having a nice juicy steak tonight in celebration of this new found research, and im not having any side salad or veg either.

Life isnt worth living without meat and milk.

It's hard to get into salads & veg when the stuff that's widely available tastes like ***te.
But then, most of the meat we get is full of ***te.
Grow your own meat and hunt your own veg - that's what I say.

neil_hosey

as long as i can still eat ma friieeed chicken... who gives a shieeet!

thebigbiffo

i always have at least 6 pints of Guinness after i eat any type of red meat - this helps evacuate all the nasty meat without the stigma and unpleasantness surrounding bulimia...

slowburner

Sure we know all this stuff is bad for us - why else would we like it?

Opelfruit

bluewolf wrote: »

Everything gives you cancer

Not everything. Yesterday I was reading a report that beef, pork & lamb did not give you canc....wait, scratch that, it seems that today they do. We'll just have to wait until tomorrow and see what the next report says.

slowburner

thebigbiffo wrote: »

i always have at least 6 pints of Guinness after i eat any type of red meat - this helps evacuate all the nasty meat without the stigma and unpleasantness surrounding bulimia...

Have 6 before and 6 after - that way the meat never touches your stomach.

Duggy747

Jeez, every single thing that surrounds us and we eat / drink gives us cancer. This bottle of Lucozade will give me cancer, that glass of water will give me cancer, the Pringles I ate last night will give me cancer, that red-headed kid I saw the other day will give me cancer.

How did we ever get this far as a race when everything surrounding us gives us cancer?

What's next, too much oxygen gives you cancer?

TaraFoxglove

In fairness though, people are saying "everything gives you cancer" but some things are much more carcinogenic than others, as in some things will almost certainly bring about carcinogenesis.

HungryJoey

And they say redbull gives you wings.

AnonoBoy

Vegetarian propaganda.

slowburner

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Vegetarian propaganda.

You never know. Who/what paid for the research?

AnonoBoy

slowburner wrote: »

You never know. Who/what paid for the research?

Funded by the LGTMAC* Foundation I heard.



*Lisa's Going To Marry A Carrot

slowburner

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Funded by the LGTMAC* Foundation I heard.



*Lisa's Going To Marry A Carrot

Ah yes part of the ARSE* conglomerate.


*Apple, Radish and Swede Emporium

OutlawPete

Amazing how SCIENCE is usually held up as the great proveyor of truth, until it fcuks with the bacon sambo that is, then it's: 'Ah sure what does science know'.

Sofiztikated

OutlawPete wrote: »

Amazing how SCIENCE is usually held up as the great proveyor of truth, until it fcuks with the bacon sambo that is, then it's: 'Ah sure what does science know'.

Because it's bacon! We all know bacon solves everything, as I've already said many times.

AnonoBoy

OutlawPete wrote: »

Amazing how SCIENCE is usually held up as the great proveyor of truth, until it fcuks with the bacon sambo that is, then it's: 'Ah sure what does science know'.

The Veggies have got to Pete!

You're one of them! ONE OF THEM!!!! :eek:

Opelfruit

Opelfruit wrote: »

Not everything. Yesterday I was reading a report that beef, pork & lamb did not give you canc....wait, scratch that, it seems that today they do. We'll just have to wait until tomorrow and see what the next report says.

Reports give you cancer.

AnonoBoy

Cancer gives you bacon.

AnonoBoy

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Cancer gives you bacon.

Both improved with irradiation.

--Kaiser--

Correlation does not equal causation

/thread

TaraFoxglove

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Correlation does not equal causation

/thread

No, but correlation can warrant further study.

dagdha

Duggy747 wrote: »

Jeez, every single thing that surrounds us and we eat / drink gives us cancer. This bottle of Lucozade will give me cancer, that glass of water will give me cancer, the Pringles I ate last night will give me cancer, that red-headed kid I saw the other day will give me cancer.

How did we ever get this far as a race when everything surrounding us gives us cancer?

What's next, too much oxygen gives you cancer?

I'm pretty sure this has been proven as a scientific fact. If they look at you too long or even if you are in their presence without realising it the chances of getting cancer multiplies x100.

slowburner

dagdha wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this has been proven as a scientific fact. If they look at you too long or even if you are in their presence without realising it the chances of getting cancer multiplies x100.

It's the gingers I worry about. Red-heads are ok.

FlowersByRay

This screen will give you cancer

Naikon

But science has given us a method to create the perfect bacon sandwich:http://www.thepigsite.com/swinenews/13972/science-in-a-sandwich-boffins-create-the-perfect-bacon-buttie-formula

purity

Lucky for me I don't eat red meat, But I wouldn't delve too much into it as everything is linked to cancer even breathing!

slowburner

It's been statistically proven that birthdays are a significant cause of death.

wild_cat

I smoke like a train if anything is going to get me its that.


I have a distinct hatred of extremely processed white bread though and blame a lot of things on that.

ClimberC

Never mind that sh1te.

Apparently Radiation gives you cancer.........what ever will they come up with next?? :eek:

slowburner

I blame these weather conditions on processed white bread.

Tar.Aldarion

Deleted User wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if some phd student came out with it, the media printed it and people believed it.

They screen millions of studies and a tiny amount get called credible. It's not exactly an amateur operation! I've seen the same thing spouted by health journals and cancer institutes for years, so this isn't new. I think most people eat more in a day than these places recommend for a week, and that's not even the processed stuff.

OutlawPete

Humans are dumb, they want studies for everything. If you even mention that something is bad, they want double blind studies showing definitive proof that something is bad. Christ, did anyone really think processed, nitrate filled, reformed "ham" was going to be good for them?

It's staggering the amount of people that believe that slices of ham are actually just sliced off a roast UNprocessed ham when the packet says "crumbed" on it, or "traditional". They think that these products must be the real thing in that case and not reformed at all.

Humans have gone so far away from eating well now it's criminal. I have no problem with people eating whatever the fcuk they want, but please don't feed that crap to your kids, or if your expecting actually, it's poison, literally. How hard is it to buy some fresh meat, salads and vegetables. If you have to have ham, buy one that is free from nitrates and slice it yourself. Don't tell me you can't afford it, as processed ham is ridiculously expensive, not to mention the fact that it's full of water.

We only have to look at our pets and the illnesses and diseases that they have in common with us, to see that what we consume is not healthy. Dogs and cats have tumors, epilepsy, diabetes, autoimmune disorders, asthma, heart disease etc etc etc. They should be our canary in the mine, but no - just as with humans, we spend our a fortune on medicating them and treating their illnesses as we do our own, as pill deficiencies. God forbid we actually spent the same amount of money studying forms of prevention.

Was at a friend's house recently and brought with me some steak for their dog, who hasn't been well with one thing and another. Believe it was put down to allergies by a vet. Asked could I give him some meat I brought, no problem they said but then when they seen it was raw meat, had a nervous breakdown and said I should roast it first. Why says I, only to be told that he prefers that and only really has well cooked meat once a week as the dog has signs of heat disease and so they are cutting back on fatty red meat and only giving him lean well cooked stuff, with crackers :rolleyes: Is it any wonder pets are surcombing to the same disorders and illnesses as us.
There are people out there with "vegan" dogs, that live on processed high carb junk. Whatever happened to common sense when it comes to food. People need to stop looking to "science" to provide studies on what is and isn't safe to eat, use your wholegrain loaf ffs.