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Landis admits doping, points finger at LA - Please read Mod Warning post 1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    The internet never lies!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭mgmt


    Ok here is the 2008 and 2009 Financial Accounts.

    http://www.livestrong.org/pdfs/LAF_CONSOLIDATEDFINANCIALSTMTS2008AND2007

    http://www.livestrong.org/pdfs/4-0/2008-2009combinedauditreport

    The Legal fees is actually "Legal and Professional Fees".


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    mgmt wrote: »
    That statistic makes no sense. It says "salaries and legal fees". It could therefore be 99% salaries 1% legal fees. While I don't trust Lance at all, I don't trust twitter either.

    I was tired and left out salaries when I meant to leave out legal fees. I think that tweet was trying to be sensationalist.

    https://ormondelanguagetours.com

    Walking Tours of Kilkenny in English, French or German.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭rockman15


    Just to clarify:

    On the audits I've been on for charities and NPO's the wages/salaries and legal fees will vary heavily.

    For example within the Professional Services area of the audit you could include surveyors fees on site quality or estate agents fees which may be used for land or buildings acquisitions. In the US I know for a fact that these reports do not come cheap. In a collateral position lawyers/solicitors etc would be employed for property or capital acquisitions as is required in globally applied standards. Perhaps in the context these purchases include care centres or some such.

    While accept the LAF Inc and LAF.org are different organisations with different objectives, I wish people would be less scepticle of their activities. I think its bad taste that people would undermine the aims of a charity. Whatever LA might do on or off his bike is open to scpeticism, we should be slow to apply the judgement to people who volunteer and work full time for the foundation. As far as I know LA has very little to do with the operations of the charity, but in fact spends his time on the strategic ideas and national lobbying for cancer awareness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭DonVincenzo


    Anyone know any website that you can view the interview with Hamilton?


    Linky to CBS promo text
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/07/08/60minutes/main13502.shtml?tag=hdr;cnav


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭onimpulse


    http://www.cbs.com/primetime/60_minutes/

    CBS post the full episodes here after broadcast...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭dave2pvd


    Channel surfing between 60 minutes and Versus' ATOC coverage right now. Have to say, the Hamilton interview is far more compelling. He's interviewing very well. Comes across very candid, overall. Surprisingly extensive interview for a 'minority' sport.

    I wonder if LA was hoping that yesterday really was the end of the world?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭biomed32




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭DeadMan1


    wow ... more squeaky-bum time for the UCI to follow


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭anoble66


    The CBS interview is fairly damning of Armstrong. Not sure he can wriggle out of this one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    Is it just me or does the CBS interview seem slightly odd? Maybe it's just the American style of interview editing, or the lighting/makeup etc but something seems slightly unreal about it, especially Hamilton. Like they've rehearsed the responses or done multiple takes of them. Not doubting it, just think it seems weirdly put together.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    TBH, Hamilton just wants to sell his book. And is entirely insane due to depression.

    Lance is 100% innocent due to the fact that there are no documented records of him failing dope tests. Long live Lance!!! Viva Lance!!!

    * if my comment appear in any way insincere or contrived, that is because it is. Lance is a sham, but more importantly & worryingly, the governing body and the sport appears to be a sham...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    List of people vindicated:
    The Andreus,
    David Walsh,
    Filippo Simeoni,
    Paul Kimmage,
    The entire nation of France,
    Greg Lemond,
    Floyd Landis,
    Steven Swart,
    Emma O'Reilly,
    Haterz,
    Pierre Ballester,
    Christophe Bassons,
    Dick Pound,
    Pierre Bordry,
    SCA promotions,
    L'équipe.

    List of people who now look like idiots:
    Phil Liggett,
    David Harmon,
    Most (if not all) Cycling magazines,
    Robin Williams,
    Pat McQuaid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chartsengrafs


    Could add Dubya to the second list but well, you know...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Basster wrote: »
    Could add Dubya to the second list but well, you know...
    Were they buds or did they just meet up once or twice?

    I hope Harmon and Liggett have 'Commentator' down on their CVs and not 'Journalist'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Idleater


    I hope Harmon and Liggett have 'Commentator' down on their CVs and not 'Journalist'.

    "Professional cycling commentator, poor cyclist, good dreamer."
    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,217 ✭✭✭furiousox


    List of people vindicated:
    The Andreus,
    David Walsh,
    Filippo Simeoni,
    Paul Kimmage,
    The entire nation of France,
    Greg Lemond,
    Floyd Landis,
    Steven Swart,
    Emma O'Reilly,
    Haterz,
    Pierre Ballester,
    Christophe Bassons,
    Dick Pound,
    Pierre Bordry,
    SCA promotions,
    L'équipe.

    Hmpffh...List of liars I think you'll find! :pac:



    (copyright Livestrong/Father Ted)

    CPL 593H



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Harrybelafonte


    List of people vindicated:
    The Andreus,
    David Walsh,
    Filippo Simeoni,
    Paul Kimmage,
    The entire nation of France,
    Greg Lemond,
    Floyd Landis,
    Steven Swart,
    Emma O'Reilly,
    Haterz,
    Pierre Ballester,
    Christophe Bassons,
    Dick Pound,
    Pierre Bordry,
    SCA promotions,
    L'équipe.

    List of people who now look like idiots:
    Phil Liggett,
    David Harmon,
    Most (if not all) Cycling magazines,
    Robin Williams,
    Pat McQuaid.

    Don't forget Ben Stiller, Matthew McConaghey, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp



    List of people who now look like idiots:
    Phil Liggett,
    David Harmon,
    Most (if not all) Cycling magazines,
    Robin Williams,
    Pat McQuaid.

    In his defence, Robin William's has always looked like an idiot.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    List of people vindicated:
    The Andreus,
    David Walsh,
    Filippo Simeoni,
    Paul Kimmage,
    The entire nation of France,
    Greg Lemond,
    Floyd Landis,
    Steven Swart,
    Emma O'Reilly,
    Haterz,
    Pierre Ballester,
    Christophe Bassons,
    Dick Pound,
    Pierre Bordry,
    SCA promotions,
    L'équipe.

    List of people who now look like idiots:
    Phil Liggett,
    David Harmon,
    Most (if not all) Cycling magazines,
    Robin Williams,
    Pat McQuaid
    Lance Armstrong.

    I thought there was an obvious omission


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    I thought there was an obvious omission

    This guy is probably isn't feeling too good right now either.

    l_arm%5B1%5D2.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭Snappy the Moose


    Sorry folks my limitations of cycling exceed no further than the Le Tour de France, would anybody be so kind to summarise the series of events in relation to LA taking PED's. Thanks.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,468 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Sorry folks my limitations of cycling exceed no further than the Le Tour de France, would anybody be so kind to summarise the series of events in relation to LA taking PED's. Thanks.
    The thread starts 68 pages back;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    happytramp wrote: »
    This guy is probably isn't feeling too good right now either.

    l_arm%5B1%5D2.jpg

    i would have been gutted the day it was done, .... thats an awfull tat!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭lescol


    Press release - UCI rejects allegations made by Tyler Hamilton

    23.05.2011

    The International Cycling Union categorically rejects the allegations made by Mr Tyler Hamilton, who claims that Lance Armstrong tested positive for EPO during the 2001 Tour of Switzerland and had the results covered up after one of his representatives approached the Lausanne laboratory responsible for analysing test results from the event.

    The UCI is deeply shocked by the seriousness of the allegations made on the “60 Minutes” programme aired by US television network CBS, and by the extent of the media interest in the case, and wishes to state once again that it has never altered or hidden the results of a positive test.

    The allegations of Mr Tyler Hamilton are completely unfounded. The UCI can only express its indignation at this latest attempt to damage the image of cycling by a cyclist who has not hesitated to abuse the trust of all followers of cycling on several occasions in the past. At no time did he see fit to inform the UCI of the events he claims to have witnessed ten years ago, and which he is now using in his attempt to harm the UCI.

    The UCI can only confirm that Lance Armstrong has never been notified of a positive test result by any anti-doping laboratory.

    Aside from the fact that no legal action may now be taken in respect of events that occurred in 2001, the UCI also wishes to point out that in doping cases it must abide by the rules of evidence; any statutory or scientific evaluation must necessarily be made on the basis of the rules, knowledge and detection methods available at the time.

    Once again, the UCI wishes to state that no manipulation or cover-up has occurred in respect of its anti-doping procedures. The UCI will continue to defend its honour and credibility by all means available, and reserves the right to take any measures it deems necessary against Mr Hamilton or any other person.

    The UCI confidently awaits the results of the inquiry being conducted by the US justice system. It hopes that the investigations may be concluded swiftly and the truth ascertained, so that the sport of cycling may be spared further unnecessary damage.



    UCI Press Office

    From:- http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails.asp?id=NzM1NA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭dave2pvd


    Sorry folks my limitations of cycling exceed no further than the Le Tour de France, would anybody be so kind to summarise the series of events in relation to LA taking PED's. Thanks.

    That's no small task.

    But I'd be willing to give it a try.

    My billable rate is very reasonable ;)


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Oh boy, the UCI really has put its head in the sand. Because it wasn't just Hamilton and Landis's word they were going on. As Shane Stokes summed up today:
    According to the programme, the then-director of the lab analysing the tests said that the UCI put pressure on the laboratory to cover up the situation.

    60 Minutes said that it had obtained a letter sent by the US Anti-Doping Agency USADA to the laboratory, which showed that the lab found initial results of a urine sample ‘suspicious and consistent with EPO use.’

    The programme makers also said that the lab director had given a sworn statement to the FBI saying that a UCI representative ‘wanted the matter of the suspicious test to go no further.’

    The lab director said that a meeting was held with team manager Johan Bruyneel and Armstrong at the UCI’s request. No positive test was ever announced from the race, which came weeks before the rider won the third of his seven consecutive Tours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    happytramp wrote: »
    Is it just me or does the CBS interview seem slightly odd? Maybe it's just the American style of interview editing, or the lighting/makeup etc but something seems slightly unreal about it, especially Hamilton. Like they've rehearsed the responses or done multiple takes of them. Not doubting it, just think it seems weirdly put together.

    It wasn't just you. I felt that nearly every answer he gave was some kind of pre-rehearsed interview technique type thing. A lot of the answers were very, very carefully constructed. It was very odd anyway.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    "LA has never been NOTIFIED of a positive test. . ."

    Fascinating.


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