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differences in a Catholic mass in Ireland - usual, or it depends?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Donatello


    The reason that we are seen these happenings in the church is because we are living under the Anti Pope and we have been since 1958.In 1958 following the death of Pope PiusX11 the man elected to be Pope was Cardinal Siri of Genoa who took the name of Gregory XV11 but under threat from French Cardinals he was not allowed to take his place as Pope 2 days later Pope John XX111 was elected Go to the red pope on Google

    Not according to Cardinal Siri. He accepted Pope John XXIII as Pope. There was no issue of the Pope not being valid, not for him, anyway.

    Note that I do not endorse the contents of this site, nor necessarily the views of John Vennari, but it is interesting all the same:

    After the 1958 election, Cardinal Siri gave public obeisance to Pope John XXIII and recognized him as Vicar of Christ. He did likewise with Popes Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II. If Cardinal Siri were truly a “Secret Pope”, what sort of scoundrel was he to give public obedience to men whom he knew to be impostors? This theory actually defames Cardinal Siri rather than honors him.

    Cardinal Siri reportedly received the majority vote in 1963, but declined to accept because of what Malachi Martin called, “a little brutality”. Nonetheless, Cardinal Siri participated in all the post-1958 conclaves: 1963 and the two in 1978. Why would Pope Gregory XVII take part in false conclaves when he was already Pope?

    Cardinal Siri participated in the Second Vatican Council, which was called, if the Siri Thesis is correct, by a Holy Father who was neither Holy nor the Church’s Father. Siri accepted the decisions of Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition. He adopted the reforms, celebrated the Novus Ordo Mass, ordained priests in the New Rite, and consecrated bishops in the New Rite. Why would Pope Gregory XVII adopt sacraments and liturgical re-forms enacted by men whom he knew were false Popes? What sort of man does “our last true Pope” turn out to be?

    Cardinal Siri recognized Vatican II to be a disaster. He said, “If the Church were not Divine, the Council would have buried her.” Why would he in any way submit to this destructive Council if he knew it to be the work of papal impostors? Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer manfully resisted the destruction of Vatican II, with no personal claim to the papacy at all.

    In Cardinal Siri’s book Gethsemane, in which he was exceedingly critical of modern theologians such as Father Karl Rahner, Father Henri de Lubac and Jacques Maritain, Siri repeatedly refers to “Pope Paul VI”, something no honest man would do who knew himself to be the true Pope.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭brianthelion


    According to Cardinal Siri He recoginized John the XX111 as Pope under threats to his family.The guy in charge of getting things ready for the next Pope was said to have tried to let the news out but mysteriously burned to death on his bed,Pope John Paul 1 was heard to say daily that his reign would be short as he was waiting for the Foreigner,Pope jp11.We know the masons infiltrated the Vatican and there is proof that Both John XX111 and Pope paul V1 were masons then we got the foreigner and now we have the German


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭tenchi-fan


    According to Cardinal Siri He recoginized John the XX111 as Pope under threats to his family.The guy in charge of getting things ready for the next Pope was said to have tried to let the news out but mysteriously burned to death on his bed,Pope John Paul 1 was heard to say daily that his reign would be short as he was waiting for the Foreigner,Pope jp11.We know the masons infiltrated the Vatican and there is proof that Both John XX111 and Pope paul V1 were masons then we got the foreigner and now we have the German

    While a very interesting topic, the topic under discussion is "differences in a Catholic mass in Ireland".

    Why not create a new post here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Asry


    I'm really finding some of the examples of the abuses in here quite shocking. Maybe I'm more conservative than I thought! :rolleyes:

    But I don't remember pre-Vatican II, being a child of the 80s and all that. To think that the folk group music provided at some of the masses irritates me enough - I wonder what shinanegans like the examples above would do....


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