Artistic taste, in relation to intellect?

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

My cd collection ranges from abba to aker bilk and from the venga boys to vivaldi what does this say about moi?

You need to refine :P

D1stant wrote: »

Bravo (sincerely)

When I was studying music, my teacher kind of cryptically mentioned that you know J.S. Bach is the most intellectual of all the composers. This blew my head. 'Why so? Why is he any more intelleciual than say Bob Dylan or Joe Dolan or whatever' No answer. I think he may have removed that little snippet from his 'how to impress the kids' arsenal

Just because your teacher couldn't explain why doesn't make it untrue.
And I'm sure he meant it in terms of compositional technique. Bach probably couldn't write lyrics like Dylan or sing like good aul' Joe (..! :P ) but in terms of the composition of music, he wins.

I don't know what your problem with Oasis is. Their first two albums are generally held in quite high regard (except with Britpop hipsters.) Definitely Maybe and WTSMG are seen as quite refreshing, if derivative takes on guitar rock, presented in a simple format that appeals on a visceral level. They never made assertions that they were writing genius music, they never even hinted that they could even approach writing sophisticated music. But they're quite great examples of four chord wonders, and made excellent music from those four chords. They played simple music very well.

I don't know why you're comparing them to Elliott Smith. I'd never heard of him. But then again I'm not a music afficionado and don't seek out music beyond lastfm and pandora when we had access to it. I just listened to a few of his songs and don't see why anyone would make such a comparison between Oasis and The Beatles.

All in all you seem to be bitter that Oasis had more success than him. Then using that bitterness to imply that you're somehow better than people for it. Maybe if someone made claim to being a music fanboy and couldn't justigy a preference, you'd have some grounds to have a go at them. And even then only if they were a fanboy of a particular style of music.


As far as I'm concerned, if someone can justify the rationale behind their liking of a particular musician or tv show or book, that's all the intelligence anyone should have to display.

Of course some things will be more challenging or thought provoking, but not everyone is interested in that all the time. Sometimes people want a little base pleasure. And if you indulge in nothing like that I'd be very wary of you, because there's a lot of beauty in simplicity, something the Greeks realised X thousand years ago.

I cannot believe I used a to v instead of a to z that is bulmers for you or for the more enlightened wine.

Sinfonia wrote: »

You need to refine :P


Just because your teacher couldn't explain why doesn't make it untrue.
And I'm sure he meant it in terms of compositional technique. Bach probably couldn't write lyrics like Dylan or sing like good aul' Joe (..! :P ) but in terms of the composition of music, he wins.

You missed my point

Saying ANY composer is THE most intellectual is a fcukin stupid statement. Thats all. Im just throwing out Dylan and Dolan as examples (this was 20 years ago). In amongst dozens of other classical composers then I'd say Beethoven was the filthiest of them all and Faure was the smelliest, and O' Carolan was blind drunk

Learn

<Ollie> wrote: »

I spelt Cold Play incorrectly because I fúcking hate them

I see. Well done.

Figure 8, XO, Either/Or are all great. But the utter music snob will always say Figure 8 isn't his greatest, but it really is..

I hate this more than anything.

Now you've lost me. I don't like Figure 8 as much as the other albums, because I prefer the smaller scale of the self-titled album, the more raw production on Either/Or, and XO trumps the lot for pretty much every conceivable reason. Figure 8 is a more polished, larger-band sound, and although I love the album, it's not my favourite of his.
I didn't say that Figure 8 'isn't his greatest', I said I prefer most of the other albums to it. The 'utter music snob' is much more likely to present their opinion as fact, which is what you have just done.

You come across as the worst music snob ever.

Why, because I've contradicted you?

D1stant wrote: »

You missed my point

Ah I didn't, I was just taking the piss a bit. Didn't translate in text well.
Anyway, I agree with you

Sinfonia wrote: »

Why, because I've contradicted you?

No, because he likes generalising.

I think the best comment of the thread so far seems to be identifying Ollie as someone who uses music as a cultural identifier or a shibboleth. Or as someone else pointed out, a hipster.


I've listened to a few more of his tracks, so far I've been 50/50 on them, some I didn't like. I did quite like Let's Turn the Record Over and Stick Man, whichever albums they're off. Although from my brief listening I'd say he owes more to Simon and Garfunkel than The Beatles (in whatever way you can separate out that period of music.)

<Ollie> wrote: »

Because you said "Figure 8 doesn't greatly appeal to me". That's utter garbage from any Smith fan. Utter shít.

Don'cha think it's a bit poppy?

An whyze Either/Or in your sig then lolwtf

Sinfonia wrote: »

Think they're B-Sides or unreleased stuff

That makes me more "true" than anyone in this thread.

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Didn't wanna go with the Phil Collins speech? :P

<Ollie> wrote: »

You said "figure 8 doesn't greatly appeal to me, and I can never understand how people put it above XO, Elliott Smith or Roman Candle."

And then you claimed you liked it.

Yah. The key word there being 'greatly'. I didn't say at any stage that I didn't like it. One statement doesn't contradict the other.

I also love XO, Elliott Smith, Either Or and Roman Candle.

Never said you didn't.

'Either Or' is in my sig and I adore that album as much as Figure 8.

I figured.

How could you not possibly like Figure 8

Read above.

only to be different from the rest?

The rest of whom? Elliott Smith fans?
How could you not possibly like Coldplay, only to be different from their gazillion fans?

*feeds*