Why do people think John Lennon is some sort of deity ?

bayern282 · 21-05-2011 12:11AM #1

The point I'm trying to make here is has any piddling three minute pop song ever stopped a war or prevented one, did Lennon's bed in for peace in Amsterdam stop the Vietnam war. I think not.

I do rate him musically, but maybe the importance of this medium is over rated and somewhat of a distraction, auditory cheesecake as I've seen it described once.

Liverpool's boycott of The Sun at local level or the mass turn out of Egyptians to overthrow Mubarak at national level are far more potent than blathering on about revolution while twanging a guitar.

abouttobebanned · 21-05-2011 12:11AM

Because he died.

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 21-05-2011 12:12AM

Who?

Scuid Mhór · 21-05-2011 12:14AM

He preached a noble message and met a nonsensical end.

smokiebeverage · 21-05-2011 12:15AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

and met a nonsensical end.

There is no need to bring Yoko into it

Buceph · 21-05-2011 12:19AM

He's a better deity than the pope's imaginary friend.

Duggy747 · 21-05-2011 12:20AM

He stayed in bed for 2 weeks for peace.

The world was so touched that they dropped their weapons and melted them into shapes of heart. Nobody died ever again and we all forgot what this thing called "murder" was.

Until Mortal Kombat came along and invented violence.

strokemyclover · 21-05-2011 12:21AM

Planting the seed is more important than reaping the crop

bayern282 · 21-05-2011 12:23AM

But for instance, if John Lennon wasn't born or became a sheet metal worker at Cammell Laird instead.

Would it have made any real difference ?, ok, great songs and memories, but did they really alter human nature and our propensity for wars, hate and so on.

Shane St. · 21-05-2011 12:23AM

smokiebeverage wrote: »

There is no need to bring Yoko into it

hahahah brilliant

Wibbs · 21-05-2011 12:23AM

Complex bloke. musical genius, bit of a twat. A lot of it is down to him and similar being the first of the emo stylee teens/young adults. He blazed a trail, but at the same time a large chunk of his liverpudlian sensibilities kept him somewhat in check, so doesn't come across as quite as daft as many who followed.

bayern282 · 21-05-2011 12:25AM

Complex bloke. musical genius, bit of a twat

at least most of us have two things in common with him !

The_Kew_Tour · 21-05-2011 12:25AM

Imagine all the people....

now it's stuck in yer heads

Orim · 21-05-2011 12:26AM

Because he was bigger than Jesus.

fontanalis · 21-05-2011 12:28AM

Didn't he have a version of Watching the Wheels with the words "here I am in my 20 million dollar home"?
A hypocrite who lived in luxury and more or less ignored one child.
Some great tunes though.

Wibbs · 21-05-2011 12:30AM

Orim wrote: »

Because he was bigger than Jesus.

Literally. Jesus or Yeshua, great in speech and deed, not so great in natural vertical accomplishment.

Havermeyer · 21-05-2011 12:33AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Complex bloke. musical genius, bit of a twat. A lot of it is down to him and similar being the first of the emo stylee teens/young adults. He blazed a trail, but at the same time a large chunk of his liverpudlian sensibilities kept him somewhat in check, so doesn't come across as quite as daft as many who followed.

Agree with most of that - apart from the emo part.

Of The Beatles, he was always the more complex. He seemed to be the one most affected by their fame. There's no denying he was an extremely talented songwriter/musician, but in later years he did come across as a twat.

Ringo was my favourite Beatle. :P

ascanbe · 21-05-2011 12:35AM

I'd imagine that people who regard John Lennon as a deity do so because they like him to the extent that they regard him as worthy of being regarded as a deity.

Duckworth_Luas · 21-05-2011 12:36AM

bayern282 wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make here is has any piddling three minute pop song ever stopped a war or prevented one, did Lennon's bed in for peace in Amsterdam stop the Vietnam war. I think not.

I do rate him musically, but maybe the importance of this medium is over rated and somewhat of a distraction, auditory cheesecake as I've seen it described once.

Liverpool's boycott of The Sun at local level or the mass turn out of Egyptians to overthrow Mubarak at national level are far more potent than blathering on about revolution while twanging a guitar.

All he was saying was give cheese a chance.

Now, where did I leave my coat?

OutlawPete · 21-05-2011 12:38AM

bayern282 wrote: »

.. the importance of this medium is over rated and somewhat of a distraction, auditory cheesecake as I've seen it described once.

Ah, you're just a jealous guy.

The King of Moo · 21-05-2011 12:39AM

As said previously, because he died, mainly.

If he'd lived to be an old man he'd probably have ended up being mocked and hated. He was hypocritical in many ways and had a horrible vicious streak.

I think his message of peace took hold in so many imaginations because he married it to fairly catchy, chanty/slogany songs, and the insanely iconic status of being one of the two main songwriters of The Beatles meant that there were always going to be lots of people who'd do whatever you said.

Sheeps · 21-05-2011 12:40AM

im ****ing glad he died i wish hed die again

The_Kew_Tour · 21-05-2011 12:41AM

Sheeps wrote: »

im ****ing glad he died i wish hed die again

That be some waste of time

strokemyclover · 21-05-2011 12:42AM

Sheeps wrote: »

im ****ing glad he died i wish hed die again

Imagine all the apostrophes!

ascanbe · 21-05-2011 12:44AM

The fact that he died is hardly an explanation; every person who has lived on this planet and is not currently alive has died and most of those people could hardly be said to be regarded as a deity by any significant number of people.

D1stant · 21-05-2011 12:44AM

bayern282 wrote: »

I do rate him musically, QUOTE]

Phew. The guy was a ****in genius. whether you rate him or not is hardly the point. He was also full of drugs most of his adult life so please forgive him for Yoko and dodgy quotes

Just listen to the music man :cool:

The Pontiac · 21-05-2011 12:47AM

Bit of a legend is Lennon, but he's no Dylan. Bob would never have done something as silly as the two-week long bed-in for peace for media attention.

Bit of a twat in fairness was Lennon. Dylan out-lives them all!!

The King of Moo · 21-05-2011 12:53AM

ascanbe wrote: »

The fact that he died is hardly an explanation; every person who has lived on this planet and is not currently alive has died and most of those people could hardly be said to be regarded as a deity by any significant number of people.

I think the argument that it's because he died is pretty valid, as it arguably made a kind of martyr of him as he was relatively young (and murdered, making it more tragic), and came at a time when he was still basking in the Beatles/peace activism glory and people hadn't got sick of him and seen a lot of his bad side.

Latchy · 21-05-2011 12:58AM

Next to JFK and Elvis , he was the most famous person on the planet who was also the most screwed up ,insecure and cynical of the 4 Beatles , which is reflected in many of his songs and he played along with the Beatle image / fame game up to a point .

He came in for a lot of Cynicism post Beatles /Yoko Ono period ,much of which was probably deserved and could be a bit of a knob at times who consumed to much LSD .But when he was assassinated the world shed real tears of sadness for a man who despite all his faults , had touched the heart of millions . So in death it's easy to see how the image becomes much bigger and people see him as a sort of diety .

bluefinger · 21-05-2011 01:01AM

If john lennon didn't exist it would be necessary to invent him

Latchy · 21-05-2011 01:08AM

If John had not met Paul at the village fete back in 1955 and discovered that opposites attract then the Beatles would have had to be invented in some other way shape or form ....

Like Hitler , Munroe ,Kennedy ,Ghandi , Elvis ,Muhammad Ali..etc , there seems to be a pattern thoughout history that these people are ment to be so J P G AND R were all meant to meet up in life and be who they became .....

It's all cosmic man ....:pac:

Why do people think John Lennon is some sort of deity ?

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