Bloody Sunday (1920)

RachaelVO wrote: »

OH GOD!!!!

Why are we so obsessed with a non political figure head saying sorry??????

She made huge steps in her speech last night, and I for one, am glad she made it, and it did acknowledge the atrocities of the past! I think she has done a lot to help repair and cement relationships between the two nations. Whether we like it or not, we are neighbours, on the periphery of europe. In the EU yes, but not part of schengen. Our histories and our economic futures are all tied up in each other.

Anyone still bearing a grudge against an 85 year old woman needs to seriously build a fecking bridge.....

I said i was republican in my beliefs, but skeptical of her trip before it happened, and i can honestly say she has made more gestures on this trip than i ever thought she would, i havent any complaints about the visit as she paid her respects to our patriot dead, gave a warm speech, but i still hope for one day when there is a united Ireland, regardless of moving forward, that to me is progress.

RachaelVO wrote: »

You've a very gracious republican stand point, nice to see a republican not sticking to the staunch "NO TO THE QUEEN" stance, and you've recognised the respect she's paid as genuine. Without sounding patronising that's very refershing!

You would love to see a united Ireland, but do you think it will happen in our life time? I don't think it will. I think it will come long after we're all dead and gone!

There are a good few others who are republican onhere but are probably more wise than me, just some dont like to admit it lol

Seeing a united ireland in our lifetime, depends how old you are :P lol im mid 20's, i believe i will see it, i think by the time i hit 50 it will be, but of course thats just what i hope for lol, but i think Ulster needs a stable period before anything like that is raised

then me and keithAFC will be drinking guinness and he will have the green flag wrapped around him singing :pac:

Notorious97 wrote: »

There are a good few others who are republican onhere but are probably more wise than me, just some dont like to admit it lol

Seeing a united ireland in our lifetime, depends how old you are :P lol im mid 20's, i believe i will see it, i think by the time i hit 50 it will be, but of course thats just what i hope for lol, but i think Ulster needs a stable period before anything like that is raised

then me and keithAFC will be drinking guinness and he will have the green flag wrapped around him singing :pac:

I am slightly older than ya, but when you're 50, in theory I should still be around talking sh1te I might just join you and KeithAFC for a pint, I promise I'll leave my zimmer frame outside:p

I am a republican in as much as I don't agree with a monarchy! I often find that you can't have a decent talk with staunch Irish republicans, there's no give, and I find that frustrating.

Like most of us, I have family ties to Irish republicanism and the OLD IRA! I'm proud that some of my family were honoured in the garden of remembrance yesterday, and cos I know their names and have seen their pictures as young men a tear came to my eye when the queen laid that wreath, I found it very poignant, and I mentioned their names out loud. Dunno why, I just felt it had to be done. My great uncle who is dead about 20 years or so, had an IRA military salute at his funeral. He was apparently a big wig in the old IRA.

So if there is a united Ireland, I hope it's blood and tear free (and I suppose economically viable)

'Sunday Bloody Sunday'. What a great song. It really encapsulates the frustration of a Sunday, doesn't it? You wake up in the morning, you've got to read all the Sunday papers, the kids are running round, you've got to mow the lawn, wash the car, and you think "Sunday, bloody Sunday!"

mgmt wrote: »

You cannot equate Michael Collins with Gerry Adams. Gerry Adams is just a thug. The leaders of 1916, signed and read out the deceleration of independence at the GPO. Collins was 2nd in command. The provos could only manage to make threats behind bavaclavas and use nicknames. Gerry Adams wont even admit he a member. The Old IRA had the support of the people. Adams and co did not. Provisional Sinn Fein could not even beat the SDLP during the troubles.

1916 didn't bring about the Government of Ireland Act. The war of independence where Collins used similar tactics to the provos did.

Why would this government apologise or why would the 'free-state' government/s have apologised for what happened in 1920? How could they, for starters?
What you refer to with regards Collins/the Cairo gang occurred during the War of Independence: before the formation of the 'free-state'.

RachaelVO wrote: »

I am slightly older than ya, but when you're 50, in theory I should still be around talking sh1te I might just join you and KeithAFC for a pint, I promise I'll leave my zimmer frame outside:p

I am a republican in as much as I don't agree with a monarchy! I often find that you can't have a decent talk with staunch Irish republicans, there's no give, and I find that frustrating.

Like most of us, I have family ties to Irish republicanism and the OLD IRA! I'm proud that some of my family were honoured in the garden of remembrance yesterday, and cos I know their names and have seen their pictures as young men a tear came to my eye when the queen laid that wreath, I found it very poignant, and I mentioned their names out loud. Dunno why, I just felt it had to be done. My great uncle who is dead about 20 years or so, had an IRA military salute at his funeral. He was apparently a big wig in the old IRA.

So if there is a united Ireland, I hope it's blood and tear free (and I suppose economically viable)

The nosey side of me would love to know who you are related to but i wont ask on here lol, i have no family ties to it that i know of, but since i was a child i have loved history, which just kept growing.

I pay tax for these eejits im bailing out, id happily pay a bit more for a united Ireland