Russian president threatens return to Cold War

phoenix0250 · 18-05-2011 06:51PM

Russia is a decrepit disease ridden alcoholic of a nation

Who cares what the Russians say. They are a joke of a nation. If anyone knew in the cold war days how backward they were, the US would have mopped the floor with them.

The only thing they were good at was covering up their antiquated technology.

I would be surprised if their ICBM's even still work, the valve electronics in them are probably broken.

You people have clearly not been to, nor studied anything about Russia. Its a common western stereotype due to all the farce we are fed in the media and american films that have make you delusional. Moscow is by far the single best city i have been in, yes the country does have problems due to the chaos of the 90's but is will soon recover.

Most russians are extremely kind, generous, amiable and benevolent once you know them as they are distant to strangers. All the negative things happening in the country are by people similar to our local scumbags and knackers.

And for all you haters and xenophobic, racist and nebbish people, no i am not russian nor polish nor foreign. I am indeed Irish, I happen to study Russian in college and frankly am tired of the plethora of people hating foreigners in our nation due to misinformation and false stereotypes. That is all.

JohnMarston · 18-05-2011 06:52PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Russian president Dmitry Medvedev threatened Wednesday a return to the Cold War, saying the US decision to push ahead with a contested missile defense shield could prompt "retaliatory measures."

He needs to 'chill out'. :pac:

.........i'll get me coat

Calibos · 18-05-2011 07:15PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

Recession, Cold War, Duran Duran reforming, these revisionist history pricks who claim the 80s were so great are going too far. Next they'll be reanimating the corpse of Reagan and trying reinstate the Thatcherite government. We're all ****ed.

.....and heavy snow 3 years in a row, Doing well in the Eurovision again, IRA group killing and planting bombs again. Would you believe I even saw white dog sh1t the other day too. Its gettin' scary I tells ya!!

dmclean1842 wrote: »

Who cares what the Russians say. They are a joke of a nation. If anyone knew in the cold war days how backward they were, the US would have mopped the floor with them.

The only thing they were good at was covering up their antiquated technology.

I would be surprised if their ICBM's even still work, the valve electronics in them are probably broken.

The Russian bear has a habit of bitin' you on the ass when you underestimate him, just ask that Austrian Fella.

Herb Powell · 18-05-2011 07:17PM

phoenix0250 wrote: »

You people have clearly not been to, nor studied anything about Russia. Its a common western stereotype due to all the farce we are fed in the media and american films that have make you delusional. Moscow is by far the single best city i have been in, yes the country does have problems due to the chaos of the 90's but is will soon recover.

Most russians are extremely kind, generous, amiable and benevolent once you know them as they are distant to strangers. All the negative things happening in the country are by people similar to our local scumbags and knackers.

And for all you haters and xenophobic, racist and nebbish people, no i am not russian nor polish nor foreign. I am indeed Irish, I happen to study Russian in college and frankly am tired of the plethora of people hating foreigners in our nation due to misinformation and false stereotypes. That is all.

'суп нігга? сіріллік фукін ойз. ій но діс іс інгліш, бут хоо кайрз?
lol I love cyrillic

user1842 · 18-05-2011 07:55PM

phoenix0250 wrote: »

You people have clearly not been to, nor studied anything about Russia. Its a common western stereotype due to all the farce we are fed in the media and american films that have make you delusional. Moscow is by far the single best city i have been in, yes the country does have problems due to the chaos of the 90's but is will soon recover.

Most russians are extremely kind, generous, amiable and benevolent once you know them as they are distant to strangers. All the negative things happening in the country are by people similar to our local scumbags and knackers.

And for all you haters and xenophobic, racist and nebbish people, no i am not russian nor polish nor foreign. I am indeed Irish, I happen to study Russian in college and frankly am tired of the plethora of people hating foreigners in our nation due to misinformation and false stereotypes. That is all.

I wasnt talking about the Russian people, I am talking about their supposed military prowess during the cold war. Which was total bull****. The Americans were about 10 years ahead of them in all aspects of warfare expect for physical numbers and still are. There are loads of books now on the subject.

Did you not hear the story of the Americans shooting down an Soviet plan in the 80's and actually find old radio valves controlling the flight systems. They could not believe it.

dizzywizlw · 18-05-2011 08:37PM

phoenix0250 wrote: »

You people have clearly not been to, nor studied anything about Russia. Its a common western stereotype due to all the farce we are fed in the media and american films that have make you delusional. Moscow is by far the single best city i have been in, yes the country does have problems due to the chaos of the 90's but is will soon recover.

Most russians are extremely kind, generous, amiable and benevolent once you know them as they are distant to strangers. All the negative things happening in the country are by people similar to our local scumbags and knackers.

And for all you haters and xenophobic, racist and nebbish people, no i am not russian nor polish nor foreign. I am indeed Irish, I happen to study Russian in college and frankly am tired of the plethora of people hating foreigners in our nation due to misinformation and false stereotypes. That is all.

I never said anything about the Russian people at all so firstly, remove the sand from your private area.

Now let me elaborate as to why you are utterly wrong about the potential of Russia to recover from its problems;

A) The lobsided and weak economy that is only dragged to growth by the national champions, Gazprom United Aircraft and Rozneft. Lack of comparable high-technology and service lead growth

B)The presence of the Siloviki with the Kremlin and the persistent presence of oligarchic tendencies and corruption

C) The cost of military modernisation and the time scale that it will take to reformed the armed force of the Russian Federation will in no way shape of form lead to a Russian military resurgence within 25 years maybe more

D)The high rates of diseases such as AIDS and Alcoholism within Russian society

C)poor infrastructure

D)poor development in other senses, 60 places below this country and less developed than Albania!

E)The extreme demographic decline, particularly in the far eastern region.

Verifiable facts good sir, do not call into question my knowledge of a subject of which you clearly have a stilted and biased view as an admitted Russophobe.

The Russian state is not a superpower and it is a far way away from being so, it is most certainly a disease ridden excuse for a country.

Mike 1972 · 18-05-2011 08:38PM

dmclean1842 wrote: »

Did you not hear the story of the Americans shooting down an Soviet plan in the 80's and actually find old radio valves controlling the flight systems. They could not believe it.

Did you not hear the full story ?

Seemingly the Soviets had done a lot of research into the phenomenon of EMP -the process wherby high altitude nuclear explosions can fry semiconductor based electronics over a radius of several thousand kilometres. They found valve based electronics to display a surprising degree of immunity to such effects hence their widespread use in Soviet (and Eastern bloc) military hardware.

The Soviets were using transistors in their civilian radio and television industries since the late sixties.

As for SDI/star wars/NMD/whatever-they-call-it-this-week it was technically unworkable in the 1980's and still is today. At best its only capable of stopping a small percentage of long range missiles and is totally useless against short range and submarine based missiles.

As a world power Russia (and perhaps one or two former USSR republics) have the potential to stage something of a comeback by virtue of their massive oil and gas resources if they can get their $hit together in other respects.

jim69 · 18-05-2011 08:47PM

patton had the right idea in 1945.sort out the russians while they were all in one place after ve day. would be a lot less in post office dole queues if he got go ahead

doolox · 18-05-2011 08:49PM

It looks as if history is repeating itself. The only big event that finally "solved" the 1930's depression was the build up through increasing protectionism, nationalism and fear-mongering towards and armed preparation for War. This bloodletting resulted in c. 60 million deaths but in the post-war period it led to a complete restructuring of the world economy and the cold war setup.

The collapse of the Iron curtain and the resultant shift in world politics is still ongoing and will result in a huge transfer of wealth, influence and power from the West to the new powers of China, India and to a lesser extent South America and Africa.

paky · 18-05-2011 09:04PM

doolox wrote: »

It looks as if history is repeating itself. The only big event that finally "solved" the 1930's depression was the build up through increasing protectionism, nationalism and fear-mongering towards and armed preparation for War. This bloodletting resulted in c. 60 million deaths but in the post-war period it led to a complete restructuring of the world economy and the cold war setup.

The collapse of the Iron curtain and the resultant shift in world politics is still ongoing and will result in a huge transfer of wealth, influence and power from the West to the new powers of China, India and to a lesser extent South America and Africa.

sadly, i think its likely.

user1842 · 18-05-2011 09:06PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Did you not hear the full story ?

Seemingly the Soviets had done a lot of research into the phenomenon of EMP -the process wherby high altitude nuclear explosions can fry semiconductor based electronics over a radius of several thousand kilometres. They found valve based electronics to display a surprising degree of immunity to such effects hence their widespread use in Soviet (and Eastern bloc) military hardware.

The Soviets were using transistors in their civilian radio and television industries since the late sixties.

As for SDI/star wars/NMD/whatever-they-call-it-this-week it was technically unworkable in the 1980's and still is today. At best its only capable of stopping a small percentage of long range missiles and is totally useless against short range and submarine based missiles.

As a world power Russia (and perhaps one or two former USSR republics) have the potential to stage something of a comeback by virtue of their massive oil and gas resources if they can get their $hit together in other respects.

You have to be joking me, the US military put out the stupid EMP story so they could secure their ridiculous military budget for years too come.

O those crafty Russians using valves to outwit our EMP's. Please congress we need more money to outwit there super futuristic valves. Reality was that the Russian military were backward.

If the truth were actually know in the 80's about the USSR the US military budget would be halved.

Also do some research on EMP's. For them to do actual damage to transistors your would have to be within the blast radius of the nuke. I would not be worrying about transistors then.

Only magnetic storage would be affect at a large radius and they are not used in military aircraft.

It would be different if the plane was earthed to the ground.

Mike 1972 · 18-05-2011 09:16PM

dmclean1842 wrote: »

O those crafty Russians using valves to outwit our EMP's.

Ebay is full of Soviet manufactured transistor radios from as far back as the 1960's

Given that in both the East and West the military got the cream of what cutting edge technology was available it is ridiculous to conclude that any military usage of valve technology in the 1980's was down to backwardness when Soviet civilian manufacturing had adopted semiconductor technology two decades earlier.

The East Germans were among the first countries in the world open a plant manufacturing one megabit memory chips. by the mid 1980's Several Eastern bloc countries were producing home computers (albeit in small quantities and based on knockoffs of Western designs)

Technologically they were (in most respects) behind the west but not as far behind as commonly imagined.

marcsignal · 18-05-2011 09:20PM

Threads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdWui5Gia_0

Protect and Survive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pb-ak37_RA

user1842 · 18-05-2011 09:22PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Ebay is full of Soviet manufactured transistor radios from as far back as the 1960's

Given that in both the East and West the military got the cream of what cutting edge technology was available it is ridiculous to conclude that any military usage of valve technology in the 1980's was down to backwardness when Soviet civilian manufacturing had adopted semiconductor technology two decades earlier.

The East Germans were among the first countries in the world open a plant manufacturing one megabit memory chips.

Do some research. Straight from wiki:

Older, vacuum tube (valve) based equipment is generally much less vulnerable to EMP than newer solid state equipment. Soviet Cold War–era military aircraft often had avionics based on vacuum tubes due both to limitations in Soviet solid-state capabilities and a belief that the vacuum-tube gear would survive better.[1]

[1]^ a b c Broad, William J. "Nuclear Pulse (I): Awakening to the Chaos Factor," Science. 29 May 1981 212: 1009–1012

If you keep reading you will see that vacuum tube components are rubbish against EMP's too but why didnt the great Russian's realised this?

Although vacuum tubes are far more resistant to EMP than solid state devices, other components in vacuum tube circuitry can be damaged by EMP. Vacuum tube equipment actually was damaged in 1962 nuclear EMP testing.[14] Also, the solid state PRC-77 VHF manpackable 2-way radio survived extensive EMP testing.[25] The earlier PRC-25, nearly identical except for a vacuum tube final amplification stage, had been tested in EMP simulators but was not certified to remain fully functional.

And just to confirm, military usage of vaccum tube tech in the 80's was backward. No question.

And my Dad could make a transistor radio in the 60's, ebay full of soviet radios means nothing

Mike 1972 · 18-05-2011 09:25PM

dmclean1842 wrote: »

Also do some research on EMP's. For them to do actual damage to transistors your would have to be within the blast radius of the nuke. I would not be worrying about transistors then.

dmclean1842 wrote: »

Although vacuum tubes are far more resistant to EMP than solid state devices, other components in vacuum tube circuitry can be damaged by EMP. Vacuum tube equipment actually was damaged in 1962 nuclear EMP testing.

Contradict yourself much ?

Is EMP a threat or isint it ?

user1842 · 18-05-2011 09:37PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Contradict yourself much ?

Is EMP a threat or isint it ?

No contradiction at all. The vacuum tubes were damaged by the EMP but also the test was done with-in the bast radius of the nuclear explosion.

So for the EMP to do damage to an Aircraft (tube or chip). You need to be in the bast radius of the Nuke. Kinda defeats the purpose of an EMP.

The Russians would have know this so why use vacuum tubes in their planes.

Well I thing you know the answer.

Mike 1972 · 18-05-2011 09:44PM

dmclean1842 wrote: »

The Russians would have know this so why use vacuum tubes in their planes.

Well I thing you know the answer.

Not out of technological backwardness given that Soviet civilian industry (including Airlines such as Aeroflot) had solid state technology for at least two decades.

Anyway Im not going to drag this thread off on a tangent by continuing this discussion.

user1842 · 18-05-2011 10:01PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Not out of technological backwardness given that Soviet civilian industry (including Airlines such as Aeroflot) had solid state technology for at least two decades.

Anyway Im not going to drag this thread off on a tangent by continuing this discussion.

How is it dragging it off topic.

I am saying that Russia was never technically capable after the 1970's of a cold war with the US and this is true to this date.

You are saying otherwise.

The Soviets were great at spying though, its how they got the A and H bombs.

There is a great book on this, when I get back to Ireland I will post the title (cant remember it now).

Scuid Mhór · 18-05-2011 10:03PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Russian president Dmitry Medvedev threatened Wednesday a return to the Cold War, saying the US decision to push ahead with a contested missile defense shield could prompt "retaliatory measures."

Moscow has been fighting NATO plans to deploy the system in Eastern Europe. The West sees it as protection from rogue nations such as Iran, but the Kremlin fears it could be used to attack Russia, AFP reported.

Links:
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/05/18/russia.nuclear.missiles/
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/russian_president_threatens_return_eA6De6Py9SS6xvq9tTrXUN

And then, to everyone's surprise, nothing happened.

YFlyer · 18-05-2011 10:07PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

*Dusts off "Two Tribes" record and list of Gorbachev-birthmark jokes*

Relax!

YFlyer · 18-05-2011 10:16PM

"LET'S BOMB RUSSIA!"

Dudess · 18-05-2011 10:27PM

A return to 80s paranoia and a re-release of Frankie Goes To Hollywood's Two Tribes and Sting's The Russians? I can live with that...

Mike 1972 · 20-05-2011 10:11PM

I thought the whole (crackpot) scheme had been largely shelved by Obama anyway ?

doolox wrote: »

The only big event that finally "solved" the 1930's depression ......

This was only really the case in North America and perhaps Australia

Most European (and Far Eastern) countries were rightly fuked until well into the 1950's. Even then recovery only came about thanks to Marshall aid.

CommuterIE · 20-05-2011 10:16PM

jimthemental wrote: »

No they wont, because China, Russia, North Korea and now Pakistan also are there to bomb them back to a state where they will have to start evolution again from scratch.

This is simply untrue as the United States would annihalate all four at the same time...

MUTUAL DESTRUCTION

CommuterIE · 20-05-2011 10:19PM

I would also add North Korea don't have anywhere close to the capabilities they claim to have

For Forks Sake · 20-05-2011 10:20PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Relax!

Don't do it

SuperInfinity · 20-05-2011 10:23PM

Since it's the US who are starting this, would it not be more accurate to say that it's the Americans who are threatening return to Cold War?

SuperInfinity · 20-05-2011 10:24PM

CommuterIE wrote: »

This is simply untrue as the United States would annihalate all four at the same time...

MUTUAL DESTRUCTION

Lol, are you mad? Russia alone or China alone would absolutely wipe out the US.

CommuterIE · 20-05-2011 10:29PM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Since it's the US who are starting this, would it not be more accurate to say that it's the Americans who are threatening return to Cold War?

That is also untrue, the sheild is not directed at Russian assets and America is fully entitled to participate with their allies in Europe to take cautious action against foes in the Mid-East... an assurance has already been given to the Russians, but **** stirers as they are...

CommuterIE · 20-05-2011 10:31PM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Lol, are you mad? Russia alone or China alone would absolutely wipe out the US.

Are you mad? The US has the resources to fight 3 simultaneous conventional wars against the next most powerful nations in the world! As regards nukes, America has enough of them to blast half the planet back to the stone age

Russian president threatens return to Cold War

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