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Does 'innocent until proven guilty' simply not apply if the accused is a man and...

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭vampire of kilmainham


    prinz wrote: »
    Have a KitKat. Former Communists/current socialists/head of an organisation that supports the capitalist system staying in €3,000 a night hotel rooms sicken me.
    sickens me toooo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    prinz wrote: »
    Have a KitKat. Former Communists/current socialists/head of an organisation that supports the capitalist system staying in €3,000 a night hotel rooms sicken me.

    Yes, Its strange all right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭Daegerty


    If you are brought to court and acquitted over any sex offence your life is basically ruined, particularly if it involved anyone under age.

    So grave is the stigma associated with paedophilia that even if you're proven innocent you're life will be completely ****ed up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    Daegerty wrote: »
    If you are brought to court and acquitted over any sex offence your life is basically ruined, particularly if it involved anyone under age.

    So grave is the stigma associated with paedophilia that even if you're proven innocent you're life will be completely ****ed up
    Yes your right you are tarred forever even if innocent, I see a cork woman got 2 years last week for falsely accusing 2 different men of raping her on different dates Im betting they are still having to deal with the consequences of her actions even though 6 weeks after the allegations she admitted they were lies :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭dixiefly


    Something wrong here in that the priest here is named and the accuser is not.#

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0517/duaned.html

    A 73-year-old retired priest of the Diocese of Cloyne, who was on trial charged with indecently assaulting a woman 30 years ago when she was a teenager, has been found not guilty by direction of the trial judge.

    Fr Dan Duane, of the Presbytery, Cecilstown, Mallow, Co Cork, denied the charge.

    The woman told the court that Fr Duane indecently assaulted her when she went to his house to talk to him about a family problem.

    She made a statement to gardaí in August of last year.

    The trial judge, Sean Ó Donabháin, directed the jury to find Fr Duane not guilty.

    He said the delay by the woman in making her complaint was inexplicable, given that she was trained and worked in a profession which encouraged victims to make complaints, and which emphasised that complaints would be treated seriously when they were made.

    Judge Ó Donabháin said he had a worry about the delay in making the complaint, given that Fr Duane had established to his satisfaction that he shared the house where the assault was alleged to have occurred with a housekeeper and a curate.

    He said if the complaint had been made earlier these people could have been asked to make statements about it.

    The charge alleged that the assault occurred on dates between 1 September 1980, up to and including 1 April 1982, and Judge Ó Donnabháin said he could not understand why that period of time could not have been narrowed down.

    He said some of the worries he had were major and some were minor and he questioned how he would be able to adequately charge the jury when he had these worries.

    He said if the jury came back with a guilty verdict he would have the profoundest of worries about the efficacy of that verdict.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    DSK has now changed his story (from there was no sex - he was having a meal with his daughter at the time!) to there was sex and is trying to say that the sex was consensual!
    His change of story wouldn't have anything to do with DNA reports now showing his body fluids were on her of course!
    Not afraid to sell to the media two complete versions of events is he?

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/strausskahn-to-admit-sexual-contact-but-with-consent-2650055.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭ilovelamp2000


    I have to say if I was innocent of sexual assault, I would have legged it from the hotel leaving all my personal belongings behind too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ri_Nollaig


    In answer to your question, no, on the contrary. The vast majority of sexual assaults and rapes aren't reported. Of those that are, very few convictions are ever made. If a man is convicted of a sexual crime, then his chances of being sentenced are only one in 6. ONE in 6. And that is the crimes that are reported.

    From where I'm standing the statistics make it look like it is the crime that it is most possible to get away with.

    Think you are missing the point here.
    It's not if he is guilty or innocent, its the simple fact that all media is reporting it as if he is already guilty, ignoring the slight issue of a trial.
    If he did commit the crime and is convicted then ofcourse he should be kicked out of the IMF.
    But if he is innocent then this has just officially ruined his career and he may aswell retire anyway.

    I think media shouldn't be allowed report on ongoing cases, only on verdicts!
    Look at the case in England, around Christmas. Woman was murdered, Sky news had an interview with her landlord, he was later brought in for questioning and they had he face all over the station like he was already convicted! I swear too they went looking for the best picture that made him look like a complete psycho. But he was innocent and the police later charged someone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Lots of high profile jobs have a clause in them regarding public image. Whether guilty,innocent or never charged you can lose your job.

    There is something seriously wrong with a system that allows a person to be paraded in the media while the accuser can keep their identity hidden often after the the person is shown to be innocent.

    Considering an accusation is enough to ruin somebodies life and career there seems there should be controls put in place.


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