After Hours, one and only Queen thread

Local-womanizer · 17-05-2011 05:33PM

aarond280 wrote: »

she may have been commemorating them alright, but i still don't see it necassary to play the british anthem, the reason these men died was for Irish freedom not for a british anthem to be played on the land of ireland

What if myself, an Irish national, wanted the British National Anthem to be played out of respect for the Queen, a visiting head of state?

Is that not a choice I can make as a free Irish national?

Your idea of freedom seems to come with strings attached....

flash1080 · 17-05-2011 05:33PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Get over yourself would you?!

Being pleased to see The Queen here has nothing to do with feeling inferior and everything to do with this country and Britain being equals and friends. It is about the future and not the past you and others seem determined to stick to.

There's no harm in remembering the past, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Coillte_Bhoy · 17-05-2011 05:33PM

RoryMac wrote: »

These tools wearing Celtic jerseys couldn't name one player if asked!! Celtic have tried hard over the years to dis-associate themselves from these hangers on.

As a Celtic fan its embarrassing that the Dublin scumbag's uniform of choice seems to involve celtic gear. However you're making a fair generalisation saying they know nothing of the club. Plenty of scumbags follow Man U, Liverpool etc. What exactly have Celtic done to dis-associate themselves from these hangers on

Seanchai · 17-05-2011 05:34PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

How about the vast majority of people in this country who are not stuck in the past and can see that visit is about moving forward and building bridges?

Can you give evidence to support this nonsense? No, you can't. So please desist from talking nonsense.

As for being "stuck in the past" - you're the one cheerleading the visit of the head of an unelected institutionally sectarian British monarchy which was last "reformed" (to exclude Catholics, of course) in 1701.

Well done on lecturing Irish republican democrats on being "stuck in the past" for resisting our country giving respect to this deeply archaic and anti-democratic cult of British royalism. Ireland has a great future - what you're supporting, on the other hand, is the past, and a quite horrible past by any objective non-British standard.

robinph · 17-05-2011 05:34PM

aarond280 wrote: »

she may have been commemorating them alright, but i still don't see it necassary to play the british anthem, the reason these men died was for Irish freedom not for a british anthem to be played on the land of ireland

It's what happens on state visits, they play the visiting countries anthem at various points.

AudreyHepburn · 17-05-2011 05:34PM

The Scientician wrote: »

What's wrong with burning a flag? It's a legitimate (if emotive) form of protest. Freedom of speech and all that. I don't know where entitlement comes in.

It's not a protest, it's outright disrespect for the flag itself and the nation it represents.

Those involved in burning it would be the very ones to pitch a fit if any nation tried to burn the tricolour.

southsiderosie · 17-05-2011 05:34PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess that the two lads burning that flag know sweet FA about Irish history.

Based on the video, they clearly know FA about how to start a fire...

AudreyHepburn · 17-05-2011 05:35PM

flash1080 wrote: »

There's no harm in remembering the past, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Of course not. But that's not what were talking about here. It's the mindless violence and hatred that's the problem.

ejmaztec · 17-05-2011 05:35PM

flash1080 wrote: »

The smart people are on After Hours posting anti-violent protest comments.

fyp

DWCommuter · 17-05-2011 05:35PM

flash1080 wrote: »

The thick people are on After Hours posting anti-free speech comments.

But burning flags and lobbing missiles at Gardai has nothing to do with free speech. What we witnessed today was devoid of any intellectual approach.

Galway K9 · 17-05-2011 05:36PM

I was in work canteen and said out loud that they all look like a pack of Social welfare spongers obsessed with the past.

InTheTrees · 17-05-2011 05:36PM

Lapin wrote: »

The sad thing is - Its that photo that will probably end up on the front pages of many newspapers around the world tomorrow.

I think thats okay. It plainly shows there's only about thirty or forty of them.

flash1080 · 17-05-2011 05:36PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Of course not. But that's not what were talking about here. It's the mindless violence and hatred that's the problem.

Is it? It seems like a lot of people in this thread are just having a bitchfest about republicanism and people exercising their freedom of speech.

Judgement Day · 17-05-2011 05:37PM

Predalien wrote: »

Publicity dividend? I really doubt there'll be any boost to tourism just because the Queen of England visits, don't get me wrong, I have no major issue with the visit for any historical or political reasons but I think this stuff about boosting the countries image is a load of nonsense. Rest of the world is probably paying no attention.

Right so all the tourism experts are wrong in their predictions. Even common sense should tell you that 1,000 journos in Dublin to cover the visit are going to produce some amount of column space and TV coverage - work it out for yourself. Incidentally, the visits of Queen Victoria put Kerry on the tourist map - why do you think that some down there were so keen to have QE.II. visit there?

DWCommuter · 17-05-2011 05:37PM

flash1080 wrote: »

There's no harm in remembering the past, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

We need to learn from the past, not repeat it.

robinph · 17-05-2011 05:37PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Can you give evidence to support this nonsense? .

Yes.

There was only a hundred or so Celtic jersey wearing people out on the street who can't move forward.

flash1080 · 17-05-2011 05:37PM

DWCommuter wrote: »

But burning flags and lobbing missiles at Gardai has nothing to do with free speech. What we witnessed today was devoid of any intellectual approach.

There were plenty of people out protesting who weren't doing that.

I am pie · 17-05-2011 05:38PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Can you give evidence to support this nonsense? No, you can't. So please desist from talking nonsense.

As for being "stuck in the past" - you're the one cheerleading the visit of the head of an unelected institutionally sectarian British monarchy which was last "reformed" (to exclude Catholics, of course) in 1701.

Well done on lecturing Irish republican democrats on being "stuck in the past" for resisting our country giving respect to this deeply archaic and anti-democratic cult of British royalism. Ireland has a great future - what you're supporting, on the other hand, is the past, and a quite horrible past by any objective non-British standard.

Maybe have a look at the Good Friday agreement and numbers who voted for it, maybe have a look at election results north & south, maybe check how many people voted for anti GFA parties (and by extension, anti-democratic parties!)...or maybe just keep churning out the polemic and keep the rest of us smiling !

AudreyHepburn · 17-05-2011 05:38PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Can you give evidence to support this nonsense? No, you can't. So please desist from talking nonsense.

As for being "stuck in the past" - you're the one cheerleading the visit of the head of an unelected institutionally sectarian British monarchy which was last "reformed" (to exclude Catholics, of course) in 1701.

Well done on lecturing Irish republican democrats on being "stuck in the past" for resisting our country giving respect to this deeply archaic and anti-democratic cult of British royalism. Ireland has a great future - what you're supporting, on the other hand, is the past, and a quite horrible past by any objective non-British standard.

I'm cheerleading nothing. I can simply the visit for the great historical moment it is while recognising that it is as much about the present and the future.

And I am not the one talking nonsense here.

Laika1986 · 17-05-2011 05:38PM

neil_hosey wrote: »

im a republican through and through, i think some people on here will know that from my posting. But watching some of the things today, ive never been so embarrasssed to be a dub and an irishman. the fúcking eejits out there protesting in man utd jersey, celtic jerseys... complete and utter junkies holding signs with no clue wtf is goin on.

Watching that video burning the flags.. and these out and out muppets in the background chanting "who are ye who are ye!!" Have they any idea???!?!?! :mad: like.. isnt that what british football teams shout at eachother?

god.. ive never cringed so much in my life... i need a pint after work..

That was my exact thought watching it. Sure ****al of them have any idea of irish history

Killer Pigeon · 17-05-2011 05:38PM

My name is URL wrote: »

http://pix.ie/punkrock/2323576/size/800

Look at the feckin heads on those two!

Sitcom in the making

Some of these picture are just perfect for use in the Photoshop competition on the Cool Picts and Vids forum.

The Scientician wrote: »

What's wrong with burning a flag? It's a legitimate (if emotive) form of protest. Freedom of speech and all that. I don't know where entitlement comes in.

It's called stirring the shite - potential to cause violence. Also, it's a fire hazard.

iMax · 17-05-2011 05:39PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Give me the "morons" who know they're morons over those who have delusions of sophistication and superiority when they support sectarian British royalism in this democratic Irish republic.

I've often found that one of the fundamental problems with morons is that they don't know that they're morons.

The Waltzing Consumer · 17-05-2011 05:39PM

flash1080 wrote: »

There's no harm in remembering the past, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Yeah, the problem is a huge portion of those protesters can't remember the past because they are heroin addicts, lol. So they are condemned to repeat it.

Seanchai · 17-05-2011 05:39PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Get over yourself would you?!

Being pleased to see The Queen here has nothing to do with feeling inferior and everything to do with this country and Britain being equals and friends.

In your case, given your extraordinary contributions to the British royal wedding thread, we can safely conclude that it has everything to do with it.

"The Queen"? The one and only queen in the world? :rolleyes:

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-05-2011 05:39PM

robinph wrote: »

Yes.

There was only a hundred or so Celtic jersey wearing people out on the street who can't move forward.

There were nearly 100 people wearing Celtic jerseys? any evidence of that?

xoxyx · 17-05-2011 05:40PM

Just catching up on what the Queen has been up to today on tv. Wouldn't you love to know what she was thinking, for example, when she was standing listenting to the anthems. And when she was inspecting the Guard of Honour, could you imagine if she had poked one of them in the side to see if they giggled. That would have been great.

There's a lot of potential for mischief if you're the Queen!

Have to say, I felt ashamed to see the thugs trying to break past the barriers, attacking the Garda and throwing things around. And walking through town today I saw a load of people (even more than usual!) staggering around with cans in their hands shouting the odds at passers by. Some people just welcome any excuse to act like scumbags.

Overall though, I'm loving the visit so far! Really goes to show how far things have come.

AudreyHepburn · 17-05-2011 05:40PM

flash1080 wrote: »

Is it? It seems like a lot of people in this thread are just having a bitchfest about republicanism and people exercising their freedom of speech.

They are not doing any such thing and you know it.

Several people have said peaceful protest is fine. Again the violence and irrational hatred is the issue.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-05-2011 05:40PM

If those scumbags spent more time protesting against the people who actually ruined this country i.e the bankers and government I prob support them.

The Waltzing Consumer · 17-05-2011 05:41PM

Seanchai wrote: »

In your case, given your extraordinary contributions to the British royal wedding thread, we can safely conclude that it has everything to do with it.

"The Queen"? The one and only queen in the world? :rolleyes:

Get over yourself. Bunch of junkies and scumbags at that protest. Is that where you want to be?

robinph · 17-05-2011 05:42PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

There were nearly 100 people wearing Celtic jerseys? any evidence of that?

Some of them may have left the jersey in the washing, but here's one for starters:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/17/1305641562025/protests-against-the-stat-005.jpg

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