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  • Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭frustratedTC


    well done third fox thats a terrific result.
    For those of you have sat EU, Company, constitutional and property, any advice on them, they are my final 4


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 RS1987


    I (just about) passed my first three FE1's (second time round!)

    Criminal - 50
    Tort - 50
    Company - 50


    Last sitting I also got 50 in Tort and Criminal!!! but only 31 in company.

    The first time I ever opened a law book was last May (I dont have any degree - I passed the preliminary exam in March 2010) so I am absolutely delighted.

    Planning to sit Property, Equity and Contract in October and then EU and Constitutional in March 2012.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    well done third fox thats a terrific result.
    For those of you have sat EU, Company, constitutional and property, any advice on them, they are my final 4

    Eu, know something about the case studies... it might be enough to scrape you a pass (speaking from personal experience)

    Company, I found it rather easy surprisingly, know the main areas - it tends to be predictable what comes up.

    Constitutional, scraped a pass...don't know what to say except give it your best.

    Property, there is a huge love for treasure trove for some reason... But the examiner is a very very very nice marker... I was hoping to scrape a 50 but got 57 instead. This could be "new examiner" syndrome which may wear off at any time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 dynamokev


    Mr Nonar wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    A heartily congratulations to all those who received their results. I am rather envious. Only setting out on the FE1 road. Will be attempting my first four in Oct. I plan on taking Company, Equity, Contract & Land. What does everyone think of this subject combo? It means for my 2nd set I’ll have Constitutional, Tort, EU & Criminal. Would they be doable together?


    I would say if you intend to get them in two, split the difficulty accordingly.

    The best advice I can give anyone, setting out on the FE1 road is to split EU and Constitutional in 2 different sittings. For first timers I would say do EU, because the areas are a little more self contained than Constitutional which is so wide. I feel with EU if you do the work you'll pass and thats not something you can say with certainty with Constitutional. Also EU lecturer seems to be a pretty generous marker.

    After that I would choose contract and property for definate. Easiest markers and because of the new 2009 Act the property course has been squeezed a great deal, so the exam is the most predictable of them all.

    As your fourth I would choose one of criminal or tort. The thing with these subjects is the cases involved are so memorable , that you never stuck for anything to say in the exam. Criminal course is shorter so maybe that would sway my decision towards that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭frustratedTC


    Seems like i'm going to be doing the toughest ones, do people ever get company, EU, constitutional and property together..do you mind me asking whats the big fuss with EU and constitutional, everyone seems to really dread them


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 dynamokev


    Seems like i'm going to be doing the toughest ones, do people ever get company, EU, constitutional and property together..do you mind me asking whats the big fuss with EU and constitutional, everyone seems to really dread them


    Well I just think personally there is as much content in those two subjects as the others (bar tort) put together. And they are that bit more complex than the others, (say for example, criminal, where all the material is really straightforward and you don't really have to get your head around it). Also Constitutional is just so expansive, there can be so many things going on in a problem. Thus if you are sitting the exams first time, why I strongly suggest doing EU.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭2040


    RS1987 wrote: »
    I (just about) passed my first three FE1's (second time round!)

    Criminal - 50
    Tort - 50
    Company - 50


    Last sitting I also got 50 in Tort and Criminal!!! but only 31 in company.

    The first time I ever opened a law book was last May (I dont have any degree - I passed the preliminary exam in March 2010) so I am absolutely delighted.

    Planning to sit Property, Equity and Contract in October and then EU and Constitutional in March 2012.

    Congratulations. That's a huge achievement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    Seems like i'm going to be doing the toughest ones, do people ever get company, EU, constitutional and property together..do you mind me asking whats the big fuss with EU and constitutional, everyone seems to really dread them

    For me the prob with EU is that I did it in college and it has altered entirely since the Lisbon Treaty. I may as well be studying mongolian poetry for all the sense it make to me.
    Constitutional law is sort-of conceptual - the answers don't lie in any one place, for instance if you want to discuss how the C is interpreted you will have to know a huge number of cases, and yet at the end of it all, the judges take the approach that gives the actual result they want on the day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 701 ✭✭✭law86


    Well done to everyone who passed. I still can't log in. I've tried requesting a new password and all the other suggestions in the previous pages but it tells me that the username is invalid (I'm using the seven digit number which is the reference on all correspondence from the Law Soc). Anyone in the same position?


  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭bob_lob_law


    dynamokev wrote: »
    Well I just think personally there is as much content in those two subjects as the others (bar tort) put together. And they are that bit more complex than the others, (say for example, criminal, where all the material is really straightforward and you don't really have to get your head around it). Also Constitutional is just so expansive, there can be so many things going on in a problem. Thus if you are sitting the exams first time, why I strongly suggest doing EU.

    I'm doing the same except criminal instead of property (property is one of the easier ones btw so I wouldn't worry about that). I've never studied Irish Constitutional law or Company so I'm going to do a distance course for one of them at least - incidentally, if you had to choose between the two, what one would you recommend doing a revision course in? I'm leaning towards company as I don't have a bog notion what it's about, Constitutional sounds so pie in the sky, and I studied politics before and uk constitutional law, so I'm thinking I might be able to wing it by myself. Any thoughts? Sorry to hi-jack btw dynamokev!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭frustratedTC


    Does anyone know which prep course is better IC or griffith for constitutional eu property and company? I've heard mixed reports!


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭corkgirl88


    Does anyone know which prep course is better IC or griffith for constitutional eu property and company? I've heard mixed reports!

    I did the griffith course for EU and found the lecturer and notes really good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭ShindyB


    Does anyone know which prep course is better IC or griffith for constitutional eu property and company? I've heard mixed reports!

    I took the online course with IC for all 8 subjects and found them very good. The Company lecturer was excellent and really approachable. I didn't find the Property lecturer great at the time but when it came to the exam I realised that her approach was actually spot on. Tort/Contract lecturer went through lots of exam questions which helped enormously and whenever I sent in sample answers to be corrected they were returned very quickly with a mark and helpful comments. The EU lecturer was a bit dry but always on the other end of the phone/email whenever I had a question (including the night before the exam!). All in all I found the course well structured and they are completely focused on getting you through the horribleness that is the FE1 experience.
    Best of luck to everyone with their FE1's in the future. I never thought I'd see the back of them so trust me when I say keep the faith and keep going!


  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭Dylan123


    Congrats to those that passed!

    Still cant work out how i got 42% in tort and also 42% in property when i thought i answered 5 reasonable questions.

    Is it technique, is it going off the point, or a lack of case law and specific knowledge. A little frustrating not knowing and prob a combination of all?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭blathblath


    DId anyone receive the actual letter with results in the post this morning??? No sign for me!


  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭bob_lob_law


    blathblath wrote: »
    DId anyone receive the actual letter with results in the post this morning??? No sign for me!

    Got mine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭Orla FitzP


    on my final two now EU and Constitutional, as i dont have a law backgorund id love a basic book along the lines of "EU / Constitutional for dummies" so i can have the basics before starting my revison course??

    Any tips??


  • Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    Orla FitzP wrote: »
    on my final two now EU and Constitutional, as i dont have a law backgorund id love a basic book along the lines of "EU / Constitutional for dummies" so i can have the basics before starting my revison course??

    Any tips??


    Fergus Ryan's Essential Law Text on constitutional law + his nutshell on same are excellent introductions to constitutional law.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 farela


    blathblath wrote: »
    DId anyone receive the actual letter with results in the post this morning??? No sign for me!

    Yea got mine this morning, such a nice feeling opening it knowing it was my last :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 pflann


    Hi,

    Got my results on Friday. I sat 5 subjects - Contract, Criminal, Equity, Constitutional and Company. Passed all except Company. Am completely confused over Company. Would have thought it was the one I was most likely to pass. Felt confident I had done 4 good questions and one mediocre. Got 36 and am completely stumped over how I failed it so badly and passed the other 5. Am going to get it re-checked but has anyone experienced anything like this before??
    Also any happy stories of getting a re-check and your mark increasing to a pass??


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 Jkeena


    Got 45 in Constitution, got 57 in Eu so its my only one left... im devastated. Thinking of appealing...worth a shot?


  • Registered Users Posts: 701 ✭✭✭law86


    I just got my results today, as I couldn't log on over the weekend. Passed my final two, so relieved. Thanks to everyone on the forum and good luck and persistence to everyone still doing them. It will be worth it in the end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭blathblath


    pflann wrote: »
    Hi,

    Got my results on Friday. I sat 5 subjects - Contract, Criminal, Equity, Constitutional and Company. Passed all except Company. Am completely confused over Company. Would have thought it was the one I was most likely to pass. Felt confident I had done 4 good questions and one mediocre. Got 36 and am completely stumped over how I failed it so badly and passed the other 5. Am going to get it re-checked but has anyone experienced anything like this before??
    Also any happy stories of getting a re-check and your mark increasing to a pass??


    Company without a doubt is currently the hardest to pass....his standards are very high and he really does not show any mercy! I am so relieved I passed it this round as it was my last one but to be honest it has been the one subject that has left me devastated on two previous occasions.... It is essential to even get the bare 50 that your exam is almost perfect!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    Company law has a pass rate of around 30% to 40% every year I heard...so it's quite tough, on the other hand it is easy(ish) to predict the general area of what will come up so it's really a matter of knowing exactly you're talking about.

    For example - in the question about the inherent power of shareholders to use oppression legislation I mentioned in the first line that I thought the question itself might be flawed as shareholders had no inherent power to use (s.205?) and only members - drawing a distinction between members and shareholders (supported by cases from an earlier answer I gave on member/shareholder distinction). I then proceeded to answer the question on the basis that it asked about member's powers...

    But I imagine that he liked the balls of someone telling him that essentially the question could be answered in one line - "shareholders have no inherent power to use oppression legislation". Things like that should add a few marks to your final score as it shows you really do understand what you've studied.

    Good luck on your appeal should you choose to do that or on your resit :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 Heineken pants


    JCJCJC wrote: »
    Commiserations - but to be honest, I wouldn't. The appeal process seems to be the last-chance saloon. I appealed 45 in contract last spring - no change, got 67 in Autumn. A friend appealed a 49, forget which subject - no change. I am thinking this morning of maybe appealing my 45 in Constitutional, has anyone had any success with appeals in Constitutional so far?

    JC

    Failed Const 3 times got 42 40 and 45, appealed each time, got moved from 40 to 45 on my second attempt, but there was no change in the others. I would say its very rare that someone gets passed on a recheck of Const paper. Just seems the hardest marked exam. Thought I did a great exam this time around and got 51, was expecting in the 60s. Id say def appeal if you have the cash.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 Heineken pants


    Hogzy wrote: »
    What are peoples opinions of the Constitutional Course in Independent Colleges?

    Think griffith is the way to go. Their sample answers for every question are extremely helpful, plus David Landwallner is pretty solid and not too hard to listen to at all


  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭brian__foley


    Failed Const 3 times got 42 40 and 45, appealed each time, got moved from 40 to 45 on my second attempt, but there was no change in the others. I would say its very rare that someone gets passed on a recheck of Const paper. Just seems the hardest marked exam. Thought I did a great exam this time around and got 51, was expecting in the 60s. Id say def appeal if you have the cash.

    Part of the re-check issue may be to do with the use of assistant correctors who may, at times, have varying approaches etc. For all sorts of reasons, I don't think this arises with constitutional law and I'd be surprised to see re-checks working on that subject because I'd be pretty confident in that the mark you get is the mark you deserve in that subject.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    Going to sit 4 FE1s in the autumn. First time sitting them but have a law background. Going to do Tort, Equity, Criminal and Property as there is (at the moment) a 2 day gap between these subjects' examinations.

    Have no plan of doing a 12 week course as I have a law degree. Was just going to get the manuals from the course and study myself over the summer. Would anyone recommend doing/not doing a 12 week course?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Failed Const 3 times got 42 40 and 45, appealed each time, got moved from 40 to 45 on my second attempt, but there was no change in the others. I would say its very rare that someone gets passed on a recheck of Const paper. Just seems the hardest marked exam. Thought I did a great exam this time around and got 51, was expecting in the 60s. Id say def appeal if you have the cash.

    I have also failed Constitutional 3 times and i got the exact same results as you on 3 occasions. Although when i got 45% i was bumped up to 48% on a recheck.

    Glad to hear you have passed it on your 4th attempt as i am loosing all hope with the bloody exam.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    Going to sit 4 FE1s in the autumn. First time sitting them but have a law background. Going to do Tort, Equity, Criminal and Property as there is (at the moment) a 2 day gap between these subjects' examinations.

    Have no plan of doing a 12 week course as I have a law degree. Was just going to get the manuals from the course and study myself over the summer. Would anyone recommend doing/not doing a 12 week course?

    If I were you, I'd do contract instead of criminal, or even as welll as - do five, criminal is a small syllabus. The reason I say this is the broad effect of equity, which crosses over into contract - your study efforts will help you in more than one subject at a time.
    I also have a law degree (LLB/UL), but I have found that the change of style from college exams to FE1s is very substantial. At a minimum, I would recommend that you should do the GCD one-day intensive refresher courses - I have passed four FE1s so far on that basis and I think I wouldn't have without the GCD inputs. They give you all sorts of useful tips, analyises and exam strategies that all make good sense when you hear them.
    Also, keep monitoring BAILII for new case law, the FE1 examiners like much fresher material than would be acceptable in college. I quoted Egan v Bord Pleanala [2011] in the most recent constitutional exam, it went up on Bailii on the wednesday night before the exam on thursday morning.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    Hogzy wrote: »
    I have also failed Constitutional 3 times and i got the exact same results as you on 3 occasions. Although when i got 45% i was bumped up to 48% on a recheck.

    Glad to hear you have passed it on your 4th attempt as i am loosing all hope with the bloody exam.

    I wonder what message is to be taken from that? If you're getting above 40, I would think you have to be close to the standard sought - above 45 and you should be getting it comfortably the next time, I would have thought. Fair play to you Hogzy, it takes backbone to get up and get back on the bike after a few set-backs like that. We might have a discussion during the summer on better tactics on Constitutional.


  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭brian__foley


    JCJCJC wrote: »
    I wonder what message is to be taken from that? If you're getting above 40, I would think you have to be close to the standard sought - above 45 and you should be getting it comfortably the next time, I would have thought. Fair play to you Hogzy, it takes backbone to get up and get back on the bike after a few set-backs like that. We might have a discussion during the summer on better tactics on Constitutional.

    I wouldn't read things like that into the marks. Marks aren't given out (in my experience) on a pure consistently rising curve, if that makes sense. In short, its far easier to go from 0-40 than it is to go from 40-80. In a really crass sense, the first 30-40 marks are really there for the "asking". Since the pass is 50, I imagine the input needed to get from 40 to 50 is far greater than the input needed to get from, say 30 to 40.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭blathblath


    Brian, I just want to ask you as to your opinion on my current scenario!!! I have all 8 exams and I have an apprenticeship.... but I am thinking of deferring PPC1 until 2012 purely on a financial basis. Do you think it will be of massive detriment to me if I do so? I would just prefer to not end up in massive debt and actually save some of the money and head up there comfortably as opposed to being stressed for the 6 months? Is it a case of get in quick and having more opportunities at the end?? Very confused as to what to do next!


  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭brian__foley


    blathblath wrote: »
    Brian, I just want to ask you as to your opinion on my current scenario!!! I have all 8 exams and I have an apprenticeship.... but I am thinking of deferring PPC1 until 2012 purely on a financial basis. Do you think it will be of massive detriment to me if I do so? I would just prefer to not end up in massive debt and actually save some of the money and head up there comfortably as opposed to being stressed for the 6 months? Is it a case of get in quick and having more opportunities at the end?? Very confused as to what to do next!

    I'd value the security of an apprenticeship over hard living and scrimping any day, but if its guaranteed to be there in a while, you're not losing anything. I'd be reluctant, however, to assume that even the strongest assurances about the future would be borne out as circumstances beyond anyone's control could mean a promised apprenticeship may disappear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭blathblath


    I'd value the security of an apprenticeship over hard living and scrimping any day, but if its guaranteed to be there in a while, you're not losing anything. I'd be reluctant, however, to assume that even the strongest assurances about the future would be borne out as circumstances beyond anyone's control could mean a promised apprenticeship may disappear.

    I have worked here since April 2010... I am the only employee here at the moment aside from the Solicitor....If I remain in my current position for the next year (unless the office closes in the meantime!) I am pretty sure my apprenticeship will remain.... obviously I need to clarify this! I just wondered if you thought I would be losing out by qualifying a year later


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  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭bob_lob_law


    Hi Brian,

    I was searching through the thread for constitutional and I saw your post in December about how you think it is a fairly predicable subject, I quoted it below. With that in mind, where do you think students fall down? I should add that I have yet to sit constitutional so I'm mainly just stirring!

    Maybe we can grasp it - tell me, what questions did you do and why did you think you did really well? It's possible that whereas the material you put down may have been right, it wasn't on point. The examiner isn't a "hard" marker by any stretch of the imagination. If you set out what you did, we might be able to see where the difficulties may be.

    Honestly, in my opinion, constitutional law is the easiest and most predictable paper on the fe1 course. Routinely similar stuff is examined and the examiner keeps examining peoples understanding of T.D. etc and keeps referring to this in the reports. People continue to fail largely because people (a) don't spot the issue (b) are not up to date (c) write "all they know" or (d) simply get things wrong. It's very hard to get things wrong in law, but the examiner himself had to note one year how people didn't spot that a question entirely about a newspaper raised press freedom issues.

    The manuals (from wherever) are quite large, but save with regard to a few cases, you hardly need more than a few lines knowledge of each one and each "area" of the course is relatively condensable and digestible.
    Part of the re-check issue may be to do with the use of assistant correctors who may, at times, have varying approaches etc. For all sorts of reasons, I don't think this arises with constitutional law and I'd be surprised to see re-checks working on that subject because I'd be pretty confident in that the mark you get is the mark you deserve in that subject.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 pflann


    I really don't understand the logic, or lack thereof.
    I got 42 when I sat Company in Oct. Totally deserved to fail. I only answered 4 questions of which only 3 were markable. This time I put so much work into Company and answered 5 good (or so I thought) questions and got 36....
    It was the one subject and paper I had felt confident I had passed.
    Am so disheartened at the thought of missing out on Blackhall this year. Its not so much the having to resit the exam, although that prospect doesn't exactly fill me with joy... :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭brian__foley


    Hi Brian,

    I was searching through the thread for constitutional and I saw your post in December about how you think it is a fairly predicable subject, I quoted it below. With that in mind, where do you think students fall down? I should add that I have yet to sit constitutional so I'm mainly just stirring!

    I don't know. It's just law, the same as everything else - i.e. case-based law. Indeed, the same issues keep arising. The examiner isn't a hard marker at all and, in fact, many of the questions reflect things he has written about. I will say, however, that when I talk to people who may be having problems, I'm surprised by the inability to spot the issues involved in questions and to simply miss things. I've had conversations where people don't know that one can apply to prohibit a trial on the basis of delay, or publicity etc - i.e. not just not knowing the law, but not knowing that this can be done. This seems to be a big issue - simply not knowing what "area" is being examined whether by reason of selective study or otherwise. That coupled with rote-learned answers, being out-of-date on the law, being just wrong on particular points contributes to the difficulties.

    Equally, I also come across people who give themselves about five days to "learn constitutional law". It's a large subject which needs a lot of work. If the work isn't put in (and put in the right way), the results won't follow. When people put the time in, its not unusual to hear reporting back of marks in the high 60's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Sala


    I have worked here since April 2010... I am the only employee here at the moment aside from the Solicitor....If I remain in my current position for the next year (unless the office closes in the meantime!) I am pretty sure my apprenticeship will remain.... obviously I need to clarify this! I just wondered if you thought I would be losing out by qualifying a year later

    My tuppence worth - go now! I have all 8 and cannot get an apprenticeship. Even if your training solicitor agrees to defer it you don't know what may happen in the meantime and if you had to start looking again you could find yourself with no place for 2012. I would go through PPC1 funding my own fees and without pay - I'd have to live like a pauper but if I was in your position I wouldn't give it up!


  • Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    "...When people put the time in, its not unusual to hear reporting back of marks in the high 60's.[/QUOTE]"

    Is it really necessary for people to get in the high 60's? Are those of us with marks in the 50's wasting our time:( This isn't college, why such emphasis on marks!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭shaneybaby


    colonel1 wrote: »
    "...When people put the time in, its not unusual to hear reporting back of marks in the high 60's."

    Is it really necessary for people to get in the high 60's? Are those of us with marks in the 50's wasting our time:( This isn't college, why such emphasis on marks!

    Ah i think he's just saying it's not impossible. Hang in there colonel:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭brian__foley


    colonel1 wrote: »
    Is it really necessary for people to get in the high 60's? Are those of us with marks in the 50's wasting our time:( This isn't college, why such emphasis on marks!

    I think you've misunderstood the post.


  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭MilkTheGroup


    Hi I was just wondering if many people here were working full-time and studying for the FE1s or has anyone done it successfully.?

    I have 5 months to study for 4 exams (i have a good bit of groundwork done studywise already). However, there is a possibility of a full-time job for me in the coming weeks. Could I realistically do both?


  • Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    I think you've misunderstood the post.

    No, I undertood that you were saying that good study techniques etc can lead to good marks. My point was that why do we need to worry about getting marks in the 60s in the first place, when to get the 50% is an acheivement in itself. Admittedly, I was in bad form yesterday when I wrote the post:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    Hi I was just wondering if many people here were working full-time and studying for the FE1s or has anyone done it successfully.?

    I have 5 months to study for 4 exams (i have a good bit of groundwork done studywise already). However, there is a possibility of a full-time job for me in the coming weeks. Could I realistically do both?


    Hi MilkTheGroup, I work full time, and I have just got my first four. However, it took me more than one go to do so. I know many other people who work FT and it took them several sittings to get their first four also. It is possible to work FT and get the FE1s, but it would require a lot of hard work and good study techniques (and luck tbh). Try not to make the mistake, like I did, of simply copying out a manual and thinking that was my notes. I would also suggest that you don't take on anymore than four for the first sitting and be careful of your subject combinations in terms of the exam timetable. It is great to have a day between exams at least if possible!

    I do note, however, that you have done a lot of groundwork already, so you may find the balance of FT work and PT FE1 study quite doable.

    In your shoes, I would stick to the study and worry about the FT job later when you have the first four FE1s in the bag.

    Good luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭skeenan89


    ahh dont scare them colonel! i literally only used the manual to study and have just passed my first four on my first sitting! so i intend to use the manual with the aid of the past paper to study for my final four! believe me it can be done!:D


    colonel1 wrote: »
    Hi MilkTheGroup, I work full time, and I have just got my first four. However, it took me more than one go to do so. I know many other people who work FT and it took them several sittings to get their first four also. It is possible to work FT and get the FE1s, but it would require a lot of hard work and good study techniques (and luck tbh). Try not to make the mistake, like I did, of simply copying out a manual and thinking that was my notes. I would also suggest that you don't take on anymore than four for the first sitting and be careful of your subject combinations in terms of the exam timetable. It is great to have a day between exams at least if possible!

    I do note, however, that you have done a lot of groundwork already, so you may find the balance of FT work and PT FE1 study quite doable.

    In your shoes, I would stick to the study and worry about the FT job later when you have the first four FE1s in the bag.

    Good luck.


  • Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭colonel1


    skeenan89 wrote: »
    ahh dont scare them colonel! i literally only used the manual to study and have just passed my first four on my first sitting! so i intend to use the manual with the aid of the past paper to study for my final four! believe me it can be done!:D

    The Colonel loves to scare, now polish my boots private:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭skeenan89


    colonel1 wrote: »
    The Colonel loves to scare, now polish my boots private:D

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Sala


    Hi I was just wondering if many people here were working full-time and studying for the FE1s or has anyone done it successfully.?

    I have 5 months to study for 4 exams (i have a good bit of groundwork done studywise already). However, there is a possibility of a full-time job for me in the coming weeks. Could I realistically do both?

    It is possible. I worked full time and only had two study days off beforehand. I sat my first 4, got 3. Then sat 5 and got 4, and finally nailed the last 1 on it's own! I had never studied law before.

    Also, I only really started studying properly 2 months before so you have LOADS of time.

    If you wanted to do all 8 and pass them all first time it would be hard working I'm sure but you should be fine. Plus, it gives you a chance to demonstrate how you can manage your time, prioritise your workload, and all that good stuff you need for interviews if you're looking for a training contract. And if you don't have an apprenticeship, and the job is going to give you relevent experience that will make you stand out, I wouldn't turn it down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    Hi all,

    I was wondering if you could give me some info on the FE'1's. I have a 2.2 Degree in Law, and will have an LL.M the end of the summer (well hopefully, just need to get this dissertation finished :( haha)

    anyway I was wondering how much it is do the exams? I would probably go for the blocks of 4, so 4 in the Spring (March/April) and 4 in the Autumn (September/October).

    Also, is my 2.2 degree in law and my LL.M (Masters) good enough to apply straight for the entrance exams, or would I have to sit the preliminary examination?

    P.S. please don't comment saying "why do you want to become a solicitor, they have no work" etc etc.


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