how fast can you get caught going, without losing license.

muad_dib77 · 13-05-2011 02:54PM #1

A family member got caught going well fast on the motorway today.
The garda wasnt nasty about it at all, but he did make sure she saw the error of her ways.

im worried for her that it might lead to more than two points and a 80e fine.
Does anybody here know how its determined to fine or take the license?

she has two points already, also speeding but these are nearly expired and she was only a smidge over back then. Today tho, she was bombing it.

Anan1 · 13-05-2011 02:57PM

AFAIK speeding is always 2 points/€80, regardless of the speed. As long as she isn't charged with dangerous or careless driving that should be the end of it.

kildare.17hmr · 13-05-2011 02:58PM

when i was younger i was stopped by the guards who said i was doing 95, I knew they were wrong because i was actually going faster and they never showed me any proof of my speed, 2 points and a fine of 60 r 80 euro i think i got, iv slowed down since before anyone has a go

muad_dib77 · 13-05-2011 03:02PM

Anan1 wrote: »

AFAIK speeding is always 2 points/€80, regardless of the speed. As long as she isn't charged with dangerous or careless driving that should be the end of it.

good stuff. im assuming mr garda wouldve mentioned it when he pulled her over if he was going to do any of those things.

kildare.17hmr · 13-05-2011 03:03PM

muad_dib77 wrote: »

good stuff. im assuming mr garda wouldve mentioned it when he pulled her over if he was going to do any of those things.

if she was going to be charged i think she would have been arrested

muad_dib77 · 13-05-2011 03:04PM

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

when i was younger i was stopped by the guards who said i was doing 95, I knew they were wrong because i was actually going faster and they never showed me any proof of my speed, 2 points and a fine of 60 r 80 euro i think i got, iv slowed down since before anyone has a go

ah this guy guy whipped out the laser gun, and made her do an alco test. all above board.

muad_dib77 · 13-05-2011 03:06PM

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

if she was going to be charged i think she would have been arrested

okidoki. shes here with me now, so no arrests

thanks for that.

keithclancy · 13-05-2011 03:06PM

muad_dib77 wrote: »

good stuff. im assuming mr garda wouldve mentioned it when he pulled her over if he was going to do any of those things.

Depends really.

I've heard of cases where they say nothing then a summons comes in the post a few months later

Their not required to say anything on the spot and some won't because direct confrontation is more hassle.

muad_dib77 · 13-05-2011 03:10PM

keithclancy wrote: »

Depends really.

I've heard of cases where they say nothing then a summons comes in the post a few months later

Their not required to say anything on the spot and some w
on't because direct confrontation is more hassle.

uhoh. thats nasty.

shes only a little thing, i doubt the garda wouldve been intimidated by her. id better just say nothing for the next month, and we will see if she gets a summons.

fingers crossed.

TestTransmission · 13-05-2011 03:18PM

What was the speed and what type of road/speed limit was it?

Signpost · 13-05-2011 03:19PM

How fast is "well fast"? Is anything above 160km considered dangerous driving or did I imagine that?

muad_dib77 · 13-05-2011 03:26PM

she was a motorway so limit was 120.
speed on gun was 173.

Signpost · 13-05-2011 03:29PM

Ha fair play to the cops for actually catching her at that speed! I'd imagine if you were being done for dangerous driving it would be there and then thou

coylemj · 13-05-2011 03:32PM

It's pretty simple really, if the Garda went to the bother of taking down her name and address but did not issue a ticket there and then she will almost certainly get a summons and it may be a lot longer than a month before it arrives. I wouldn't count my chickens until at least November to assume that he just forgot or figured that he had caught enough that day to meet his quota normal tally of speedsters.

You said she 'got caught going well fast' so I assume by that you mean that she was well over the limit in which case the Garda is exercising his right to take her straight to court without the option of just paying a fixed fine.

Given that she has already racked up points for speeding she can expect a hefty fine and more points if/when she gets to court.

edit: I see she was doing 173, I'd bring my toothbrush to the court!

rubberdecky · 13-05-2011 03:40PM

She may be only a litle thing but she has a heavy right foot!!
173kmph, bloody hell!!
No excusing that, 2 points is a joke for that kind of dangerous speed imho

zuroph · 13-05-2011 03:40PM

muad_dib77 wrote: »

she was a motorway so limit was 120.
speed on gun was 173.

Any particular reason for doing this speed?

Anan1 · 13-05-2011 03:42PM

rubberdecky wrote: »

She may be only a litle thing but she has a heavy right foot!!
173kmph, bloody hell!!
No excusing that, 2 points is a joke for that kind of dangerous speed imho

Given the right conditions, 173km/h on a motorway can be quite safe.

zuroph · 13-05-2011 03:47PM

Anan1 wrote: »

Given the right conditions, 173km/h on a motorway can be quite safe.

yip. if its straight and theres no other traffic. however, its going to take a bit of arguing in court. I remember seeing a similar dangerous driving case dropped as the defendant argued that the road was visibly clear and straight.

-Chris- · 13-05-2011 03:47PM

Ah, let's not start this again...

Satanta · 13-05-2011 03:48PM

From drivingschoolireland.ie

You will be banned from driving if you are convicted in court of an offence such as drink driving, dangerous driving or leaving the scene of a crash. You will be banned from driving as a result of the conviction alone, no matter how many penalty points are on your licence record.
The courts can issue driving bans for any offences involving vehicles, not just the offences already resulting in automatic bans. The court will decide the period of the ban in each case.

Depends if they think her speeding can be charged as dangerous driving I guess

Bearcat · 13-05-2011 03:51PM

173kph means court i'm afraid. She'll need a solicitor to represent her.

board_stiff · 13-05-2011 03:56PM

Was she issued with a speeding ticket at the time?

I know in the case of speed cameras that there is no grading based on how much over the limit you are. i.e If you are 10km over the limit or 90km over the limit it is a standard 2 points and €80 fine and that's it.

However if caught by a guard I assume they could claim that the driver was found to be driving carelessly which carries a mandatory court appearance where points and fine will be decided.

If she has received the speeding ticket then I would say it's case closed.

unkel · 13-05-2011 03:59PM

Bearcat wrote: »

173kph means court i'm afraid. She'll need a solicitor to represent her.

Are you making that up?

Gardai on this forum have confirmed several times that if you speed on an empty motorway, even if you do 300km/h, you only get a €80 fine and 2 penalty points.

Reloc8 · 13-05-2011 04:01PM

muad_dib77 wrote: »

she was a motorway so limit was 120.
speed on gun was 173.

No ticket there and then correct ?

Expect summons for careless driving. Could even be for dangerous driving depending on the garda.

Be glad if its just a fixed fine notice for speeding.

Engage solicitor if summons comes.

(I noticed refernence to assurances from authorities to the effect that speeding simpliciter is always just a ticket - that has not been my experience)

muad_dib77 · 13-05-2011 04:06PM

guys

jesus

i wasnt trying to start a debate on road safety here.

shes aware it was a.stupidy speed to be doing, and theres no excuse for it.

safe or not is determined by too many factors other than the driver, so lets just not go there.

i was really just hoping to find out how much sh.t shes in.

challengemaster · 13-05-2011 04:10PM

unkel wrote: »

Are you making that up?

Gardai on this forum have confirmed several times that if you speed on an empty motorway, even if you do 300km/h, you only get a €80 fine and 2 penalty points.

Actually, I'd be of the opinion if you can do 300km/h you'll get off scott free. The aul mondeo's don't have that much acceleration

omb0wyn5ehpij9 · 13-05-2011 04:11PM

muad_dib77 wrote: »

she was a motorway so limit was 120.
speed on gun was 173.

Just because she was on a motorway doesn't mean the limit was 120, she could have been in the 100 zone. Did she just tell you she was on a motorway or did she say she was in a 120 zone?

muad_dib77 · 13-05-2011 04:14PM

BDJW wrote: »

Just because she was on a motorway doesn't mean the limit was 120, she could have been in the 100 zone. Did she just tell you she was on a motorway or did she say she was in a 120 zone?

true that.

its a 120zone where she got nabbed.

Tefral · 13-05-2011 04:15PM

The general rule of thumb is twice the speed limit will land you infront of a judge. Now this is printed nowhere and is the opinion of a few garda friends of mine. This again is to them only and not the opinion of AGS.

Its all relative, i mean if you were doing 70km outside a school say and the limit was 50km which sometimes ive seen 30km posted, then you would quite rightly be done for it. I however have done 140km on the motorway and passed Gardai with the gun out and nothing has happened. (saying that at the time a car was passing me and they went after him)

I have also been in several cars when the driver was caught doing over the posted speed limit and none of them got a "Ticket" so im wondering where this has come from about Tickets.

Normally you get the odd "Expect something in the post" comment.

seamus · 13-05-2011 04:18PM

coylemj wrote: »

It's pretty simple really, if the Garda went to the bother of taking down her name and address but did not issue a ticket there and then she will almost certainly get a summons

They don't issue tickets at the roadside. At least they don't always.

She should receive a fixed penalty notice in the post within two weeks. If she doesn't, then there may be a summons on the way.

AFAIK, Gardai have the option to bypass the fixed penalty notice and bring you straight to court for serious speeding, but in general if you've been doing something crazy, they'll opt for dangerous driving or similar.

There's no set definition on what is or isn't crazy speeds, as speed limits are often arbitrarily set. So 80km/h on one 50km/h road might be pushing it a bit whereas 70km/h on another might be absolute madness.

shogunpower · 13-05-2011 04:22PM

as far as i know it was always that if you were over 100mph its court or under 100mph its the usual fine, so looks like shell have to buy a suit for court.

how fast can you get caught going, without losing license.

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