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Parking outside schools

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  • #32
    Daegerty
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    thebman wrote: »
    Ever wonder why the roads are so clogged when school finishes/starts?

    Maybe because parents are parked on the side of the road on double yellow lines, pulling out into traffic and stopping on the road blocking up everything.

    These people follow no rules and should be fined by the police.

    I worked on a road where there was virtually no traffic but school traffic and it added 10 minutes to my journey in a non-built up area when schools were on so in busy areas, it is causing serious traffic build up.

    Not so much because they are parked but because they stop for a chat to other parents through the car window before moving along to a parking space.

    The last thing we need is more fecking rules and regulations and fines. I hate that sort of thing and I suppose while its mildly annoying that these people won't move on or park somewhere else it doesn't really affect my day too much and I get over it.

    Tbh it would be worse if you cant stop somewhere for a minute without getting a fooking fine.
    Freddie59 wrote: »
    :D Nice one. Seriously though, the whole situation is ridiculous. One poster here has said 'if everyone else is doing it why shouldn't I". We have to start somewhere. Proper enforcement of the parking regulations might help.

    I dont know why people keep clamouring for more regulations. The school near me is after investing in a proper car park which is a far better solution


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
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    There's narrowish roads around my local school. The parents always park on both sides of the road (god forbid 10m more for little Britney to walk) so it's only wide enough for one stream of traffic at drop-off/pick-up times. So the school issued a letter to the parents proposing they stick to a one way system during these times. This was only issued to the parents, and did actually explain that this was just a suggestion to the parents.

    So my mother, a local, was driving up the road in her little 3-door ford fiesta (doesn't even have power steering), vrooming along peacefully. Parent comes down the opposite direction, driving in the middle of the road, like the one way system would be at the busy times, even though there was enough room for both the cars as it was mid-day. Soccer mom almost ran my mother off the path, she had to go up onto the path, with a lot of difficulty, and gets a right filthy and a loud beep of the parent in the car. She came home pretty shook up. Apparently the wan in the car was pretty aggressive/snobby about it. She had a seven seater with one kid in it. Typical.


  • #34
    Fighting Irish
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    strokemyclover wrote: »
    I think the accidents the OP forgot to describe further were the number of cars parked near schools bursting into flames. The number of motorists starting fires in cars from all the static electricity generated by lap rubbing is a real epidemic!

    WHOOOOOSH!

    and this is the reason the thanks button has ruined AH, people trying way too hard and failing really hard


  • #35
    steve9859
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    Report today saying that two thirds of Irish are overweight. Is it any wonder when parents don't let their little precious get any exercise by, god forbid, walking to school or walking to the bus stop, but instead getting dropped as few paces from the school gate as possible!


  • #36
    Daegerty
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    I find yummy mummy's with an Audi Q7 are the worst drivers


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  • #37
    JohnathanM
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    Daegerty wrote: »
    I find yummy mummy's with an Audi Q7 are the worst drivers

    Could you be more specific?


  • #38
    Daegerty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭Daegerty


    JohnathanM wrote: »
    Could you be more specific?

    Just something I noticed

    also saw one parked at a train station parked against a bollard quite recently. actually crashed into a concrete bollard and left it there with the bollard still pushing into the front of the car


  • #39
    mikemac
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    steve9859 wrote: »
    god forbid, walking to school or walking to the bus stop, but instead getting dropped as few paces from the school gate as possible!

    A lot of parents in Ireland are convinced there are predators and sex offenders right outside their school :eek:
    I read the photography forum and even the crew over there take abuse from hysterical parents when the try photography on sports days or down the local GAA club.

    Never mind statistics prove most offenders are a relation or family friend.

    Nope, we had a thread this week on hysteria on crime and some parents would drive young Britney into the classroom if they could.
    Big bad world out there after all


  • #40
    Daegerty
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    feelingstressed wrote: »
    A lot of parents in Ireland are convinced there are predators and sex offenders right outside their school :eek:
    I read the photography forum and even the crew over there take abuse from hysterical parents when the try photography on sports days or down the local GAA club.

    Never mind statistics prove most offenders are a relation or family friend.

    Nope, we had a thread this week on hysteria on crime and some parents would drive young Britney into the classroom if they could.
    Big bad world out there after all

    I have had some amount of abuse myself over in england off some woman and her child only took up about 1 and a half pixels in the photo i took. pure madness this paedophile hysteria

    next time one comes up to me i'm going to say 'ah noticed the brand new x-ray vision lense on my camera did ya?'


  • #41
    JohnathanM
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    Daegerty wrote: »
    Just something I noticed

    also saw one parked at a train station parked against a bollard quite recently. actually crashed into a concrete bollard and left it there with the bollard still pushing into the front of the car

    I was actually wondering what colour Audi Q7 made for the worst offenders, but fair enough. I think in general that people driving f'off big cars are terrible drivers. They seem attracted to the supposed safety aspect precisely because they don't know how to drive properly. Hence bollards. :)

    Annoys me no end trying to get to work late when the school run is on. Double parking in front of pedestrian crossings is the worst bit of fun down my way, especially when there's a car park not fifty metres away. FFS. A little police enforcement would be nice.


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  • #42
    Gyalist
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Too right. Something like 40,000 children in this country are driven less than 1 km to primary school. There are more secondary students driving themselves to school than are cycling. Future meatballs indeed.

    The worst that I've ever seen was this kid from a diplomatic family who was chauffeur-driven from their house in Temple Road to Alexandra College in Milltown - a distance of about 300 metres at most. The child was overweight and God knows she needed the little bit of exercise.


  • #43
    Fighting Irish
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    steve9859 wrote: »
    Report today saying that two thirds of Irish are overweight. Is it any wonder when parents don't let their little precious get any exercise by, god forbid, walking to school or walking to the bus stop, but instead getting dropped as few paces from the school gate as possible!

    I'm a young male with no children and when i have children i doubt i'd let them walk to school(while in primary school)


  • #44
    Daegerty
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    JohnathanM wrote: »
    I was actually wondering what colour Audi Q7 made for the worst offenders.

    I'll try to keep an eye out for the colour of the ould badly driven Q7's in future for ya


  • #45
    Iwannahurl
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    Daegerty wrote: »
    I have had some amount of abuse myself over in england off some woman and her child only took up about 1 and a half pixels in the photo i took. pure madness this paedophile hysteria

    next time one comes up to me i'm going to say 'ah noticed the brand new x-ray vision lense on my camera did ya?'



    The paedophile hysteria and accusations may be an attempt at deterring opposition to illegal parking around schools. In my experience obnoxious parkers are casual and apathetic when it comes to compliance with traffic and parking regs, but they can suddenly turn nasty and extremely defensive when challenged on their illegal behaviour. I've never understood that mindset. This kind of thing must fill them with hate: http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/local-headlines/road_safety_poster_contest_1_1468649


  • #46
    eoinkildare
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    there's a garda on a mountain bike in the area i work (edenmore in dublin 5) who gives out tickets and moves people on etc. from the no parking area outside the two schools there and gets nothing but hassle from people when he does it. its always the usual sh*te like, "have you not got something better to do?" or "why dont you catch the real criminals."


  • #47
    Iwannahurl
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    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    I'm a young male with no children and when i have children i doubt i'd let them walk to school(while in primary school)


    Regardless of distance?

    There are people in my street driving their children approx 700 metres to the local primary school. Other neighbours walk, and a few cycle. There is absolutely no necessity for a car. When my children are old enough to go to the same school, I'll be damned if I take the car. It would be nothing short of insanity.


  • #48
    thebman
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    Daegerty wrote: »
    Not so much because they are parked but because they stop for a chat to other parents through the car window before moving along to a parking space.

    The last thing we need is more fecking rules and regulations and fines. I hate that sort of thing and I suppose while its mildly annoying that these people won't move on or park somewhere else it doesn't really affect my day too much and I get over it.

    Tbh it would be worse if you cant stop somewhere for a minute without getting a fooking fine.



    I dont know why people keep clamouring for more regulations. The school near me is after investing in a proper car park which is a far better solution

    The school near me has a proper car park and there is another school across the road and it has a proper car park yet traffic backs up down the road for 10 minutes because the car park get filled (I don't know what they do in there), the other remains empty most of the time but the people on the road that are just sitting indicating blocking up the whole place are preventing progress for all other road users and there is an empty car park across the road for the other school.

    Let alone most of these parents are living in the neighbouring estates to me and driving these kids to the school.

    You can't just block up roads left, right and centre and say, ah sure you can't fine me because I don't want to be fined.

    What they are doing is already breaking the law. You can't just back up traffic as much as you like because you want to turn right. Even if there weren't traffic laws against it, it is just ignorant and disrespectful of other road users.

    Why should I have to sit there burning petrol for 10 minutes because they want to chat in the car park or don't want to go find parking down the road and walk for 5 minutes? Why should everyone else there not attending the school be forced to do the same?

    Its just ignorant.


  • #49
    Daegerty
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    thebman wrote: »
    The school near me has a proper car park and there is another school across the road and it has a proper car park yet traffic backs up down the road for 10 minutes because the car park get filled (I don't know what they do in there), the other remains empty most of the time but the people on the road that are just sitting indicating blocking up the whole place are preventing progress for all other road users and there is an empty car park across the road for the other school.

    Let alone most of these parents are living in the neighbouring estates to me and driving these kids to the school.

    You can't just block up roads left, right and centre and say, ah sure you can't fine me because I don't want to be fined.

    What they are doing is already breaking the law. You can't just back up traffic as much as you like because you want to turn right. Even if there weren't traffic laws against it, it is just ignorant and disrespectful of other road users.

    Why should I have to sit there burning petrol for 10 minutes because they want to chat in the car park or don't want to go find parking down the road and walk for 5 minutes? Why should everyone else there not attending the school be forced to do the same?

    Its just ignorant.


    The chat through the car window is almost like a ritual to them at this stage, would hate to take that away from them as annoying as it might be to put up with. They will move along if there is someone behind them beeping though, only someone as obnoxious as a Q7 driver will stay there chatting and knowingly hold up traffic (QashQai drivers can be quite bad too sometimes)

    a lot of schools dont have any room to build car parks so unfortunately even if everybody moved on fairly fast collecting children would still get massive congestion. The problem is always much worse during bad weather as nobody these days will let a child walk more than an inch in the pouring rain


  • #50
    Fighting Irish
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Regardless of distance?

    There are people in my street driving their children approx 700 metres to the local primary school. Other neighbours walk, and a few cycle. There is absolutely no necessity for a car. When my children are old enough to go to the same school, I'll be damned if I take the car. It would be nothing short of insanity.

    Well it does depend on distance and the weather i suppose


  • #51
    Iwannahurl
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    Daegerty wrote: »
    The chat through the car window is almost like a ritual to them at this stage, would hate to take that away from them as annoying as it might be to put up with. They will move along if there is someone behind them beeping though, only someone as obnoxious as a Q7 driver will stay there chatting and knowingly hold up traffic (QashQai drivers can be quite bad too sometimes)

    a lot of schools dont have any room to build car parks so unfortunately even if everybody moved on fairly fast collecting children would still get massive congestion. The problem is always much worse during bad weather as nobody these days will let a child walk more than an inch in the pouring rain



    Maybe they're chatting about their cars, and their entitlements as car owners.

    If they walked or cycled they might converse more with their own children, which would be better all round.

    UK charity Living Street has referred to a "growing generation of 'backseat children' who, because they are being driven to school, are failing to develop an understanding of road safety, their environment or their role in the community".

    Their 2008 Backseat Children report found that children who are isolated in cars are not being allowed to learn road safety skills, aren’t able to play an active part in their community and are denied the chance to develop their independence.

    The following year, research commissioned by Living Streets found that car-bound school children miss out on valuable social time. 44% of parents of children who are driven to school admit that they spend 5 minutes or less engaging in quality conversation with their child on the journey to and from school.

    Source: http://www.walktoschool.org.uk/free-stuff/statistics/


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  • #52
    Iwannahurl
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    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Well it does depend on distance and the weather i suppose



    For a nation so familiar with rain we are remarkably unfamiliar with dressing for the occasion. Cars seem to serve as very expensive umbrellas.

    https://www.rainbusters.ie/index.php

    Imagine Inuit children going out without their parka.


  • #53
    Fighting Irish
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    For a nation so familiar with rain we are remarkably unfamiliar with dressing for the occasion. Cars seem to serve as very expensive umbrellas.

    https://www.rainbusters.ie/index.php

    Imagine Inuit children going out without their parka.

    OK OK, only distance then ;)


  • #54
    JohnMarston
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    I lived nearly two miles from my school, but i had to walk home almost every day of the school year. Occasionally i might get a lift, and if it was raining i would get walked home but my Dad who had an umbrella.

    I used to enjoy that cos he would sometimes get me somethin in the shop in the way home :D


  • #55
    Freddie59
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    Daegerty wrote: »
    I dont know why people keep clamouring for more regulations. The school near me is after investing in a proper car park which is a far better solution

    Not more regulations - just to enforce the ones that are there. Saw a lady picking her daughter up the other day. It was raining; so she decided to stop (in a line of traffic) ON a pedestrian crossing - and wait for the daughter to trot up. It's nuts.

    The maddening thing is that motorists are receiving penalty for minor offences in comparison to whats going on outside these schools, while the madness continues.

    I lived on an estate once where someone attending a match had parked their car on the footpath - on a perdestrian crossing (one of the ones with an island on the middle of the road). Juggernauts had to go on the opposite side of the road to pass.

    When we complained to the Gardai we were told that they 'weren't anxious to give out tickets during events'.:rolleyes:

    So it appears that parking regulation enforcement is merely some of the time.


  • #56
    Crann na Beatha
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  • #57
    Paul.C
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    the only problem is 90% of kids are picked up by their mams. A 9:1 women 2 men driver scenario is unthinkable.


  • #58
    Iwannahurl
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    JohnMarston wrote: »
    I lived nearly two miles from my school, but i had to walk home almost every day of the school year. Occasionally i might get a lift, and if it was raining i would get walked home but my Dad who had an umbrella.

    I used to enjoy that cos he would sometimes get me somethin in the shop in the way home


    I walked to primary school almost every day as a child, a distance of around 1.5km. When I got to 5th and 6th class I cycled, and did the same in secondary school (equal distance). This was in the years when Ireland's roads were at their most lethal, and long before Irish roads engineers first started constructing their pathetic Mickey Mouse cycle laneens.

    I realise though that this kind of harking back to the old days when kids were supposedly a less pampered breed is an open invitation to some serious lampooning!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo



    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Not more regulations - just to enforce the ones that are there. Saw a lady picking her daughter up the other day. It was raining; so she decided to stop (in a line of traffic) ON a pedestrian crossing - and wait for the daughter to trot up. It's nuts.

    The maddening thing is that motorists are receiving penalty for minor offences in comparison to whats going on outside these schools, while the madness continues.

    I lived on an estate once where someone attending a match had parked their car on the footpath - on a perdestrian crossing (one of the ones with an island on the middle of the road). Juggernauts had to go on the opposite side of the road to pass.

    When we complained to the Gardai we were told that they 'weren't anxious to give out tickets during events'.

    So it appears that parking regulation enforcement is merely some of the time.


    Par for the course. We have a police force that is quite willing in certain circumstances to facilitate motorists at the expense of vulnerable road users. Mind you, on those rare occasions when they do get off their arses and do something about the rampant illegal parking problem, eg during Gaelic matches, they are accused of skullduggery such as operating a vendetta against the GAA!


    Veles wrote: »
    The traffic wardens are very busy keeping motorists off the footpaths each time i pass the school going to work in Newbridge

    Great to hear that at least one local authority is aware of the law and is diligent about enforcing it. Just shows that they can do it when they want to, and that inaction is a deliberate policy of facilitating motorists in certain circumstances at the expense of pedestrians.

    Paul.C wrote: »
    the only problem is 90% of kids are picked up by their mams. A 9:1 women 2 men driver scenario is unthinkable.


    Not during certain events such as sports events, I'd say. Obnoxious parking is not a female preserve.

    Speaking of which, why not post pix of obnoxious school parking in this forum (taking great care not to include photos of people, most especially children) http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055438379


  • #59
    Capt'n Midnight
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    The parking isn't that big an issue

    compared to the U turns and people not using indicators and the general poor driving skills displayed

    If you look at how traffic levels in the city drop durig school holidays it's easy to conclude that a subsidised bus sevice would have been cheaper than many of the roads that are filled with wasteful journies


  • #60
    Cantona's Collars
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    St.Aidans school in Enniscorthy is a prime example of inconsiderate parking,recently they repainted the double yellow lines outside the school-zero effect.Cars are simply abandonded along the road which is a main artery to the top of the town.Some of the offenders actually live in the estate across the road,crazy.A normal 2 minute drive can quickly turn into a 25 minute slog trying to get through the logjam caused by these parents parking absolutely everywhere.


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  • #61
    Iwannahurl
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    The parking isn't that big an issue

    compared to the U turns and people not using indicators and the general poor driving skills displayed

    If you look at how traffic levels in the city drop durig school holidays it's easy to conclude that a subsidised bus sevice would have been cheaper than many of the roads that are filled with wasteful journies


    I disagree. Obnoxious parking around schools is a big issue, and it is exacerbated by the other traffic violations you mention.

    For example, children are taught how to cross the road, a la the Safe Cross Code. Illegal parking, especially on footpaths and pedestrian crossings, directly contradicts this training.


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