Parking outside schools

Freddie59

Ah that ole chestnut. Is it ever going to end. Lazy prats who won't park any safe distance away from a school while the Gardai do nothing about it. It'll take a death for anything to change.

Ghandee

Freddie59 wrote: »

Ah that ole chestnut. Is it ever going to end. Lazy prats who won't park any safe distance away from a school while the Gardai do nothing about it. It'll take a death for anything to change.

There used to be a Jewish Pedo sat outside our school!

The amount of times he tried to SELL me sweets was UNFKNBLIVABLE!

Dravokivich

Freddie59 wrote: »

It'll take a death for anything to change.

Yes, we understand the accident was a result of a stationary vehicle.

Senna

I know, its getting that bad i had to buy more powerful binoculars.

JohnathanM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Ah that ole chestnut. Is it ever going to end. Lazy prats who won't park any safe distance away from a school while the Gardai do nothing about it. It'll take a death for anything to change.

Perhaps if you stood around offering free cups of tea they might turn up?

W.Shakes-Beer

Not even the Gardai wanted the free sweets.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Freddie59 wrote: »

Ah that ole chestnut. Is it ever going to end. Lazy prats who won't park any safe distance away from a school while the Gardai do nothing about it. It'll take a death for anything to change.

Same could be said about shopping centers,some are too lazy to walk abit.

starbelgrade

Freddie59 wrote: »

Ah that ole chestnut. Is it ever going to end. Lazy prats who won't park any safe distance away from a school while the Gardai do nothing about it. It'll take a death for anything to change.

Careful now. You'll take someone's eye out with that post.

strokemyclover

I think the accidents the OP forgot to describe further were the number of cars parked near schools bursting into flames. The number of motorists starting fires in cars from all the static electricity generated by lap rubbing is a real epidemic!

WHOOOOOSH!

squod

Freddie59 wrote: »

Ah that ole chestnut. Is it ever going to end. Lazy prats who won't park any safe distance away from a school while the Gardai do nothing about it. It'll take a death for anything to change.

Completely new phenomenon. I heard people only stared doing this last week. That's the reason that the local authorities haven't done anything about it. I expect drop-off points will be built in the following months and road signage will follow.

mikemac

In my day we walked five miles to school barefoot and the only nourishment we got was a quart of bainne

Anyway yes OP, I started such a thread over in ranting and raving.
Parents in their SUV's attempt to drive little Saorise agus Ronán to school. God forbid they have to walk 100 metres to the door.

Yes, buy an SUV for saftety. Park it outside a school.
Forget that all children and a lot of adults cannot see over it when they try to cross the road.
Reassure yourself that an SUV is safe :rolleyes:

Dravokivich

feelingstressed wrote: »

Yes, buy an SUV for saftety. Park it outside a school.
Forget that all children and a lot of adults cannot see over it when they try to cross the road.
Reassure yourself that an SUV is safe :rolleyes:

Yeah well, speaking as a parent I'm concerned for my childs safety and if I'm to transport them from A- B I'll be doing it in the safest method of transportation available to me. Thank you very much!

I mean seriously, if other parents aren't going to show as much concern for their own kids, why should I?

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Son Of A Vidic

It's the fcukwit driving ability of some of these muppets that bothers me.

starbelgrade

SUVs are not necessarily safer than any normal car. In fact a lot of the Japanese made cars have higher safety ratings. Crash tests prove that people fair no better than they do in normal mid sized cars when in a collision. Plus they have a much higher propensity to roll as they are higher off the ground.

However, the fact is that the more you drive, the more likely you are to be involved in a car accident.

So the moral of the story is, the safest way to get your kids to school is to let them walk.

It's also healthier.

Daegerty

Freddie59 wrote: »

Ah that ole chestnut. Is it ever going to end. Lazy prats who won't park any safe distance away from a school while the Gardai do nothing about it. It'll take a death for anything to change.

ah yes if you park too close to a school it might be inclined to attack you because it feels its personal space is being invaded.

how is parking too close to a school unsafe? what other types of buildings can you not park too close to incase they might attack?

Marty McFly

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

It's the fcukwit driving ability of some of these muppets that bothers me.

Agreed, i live in an estate right beside a primary school, everyday at school closing time its like an A to Z on how to be a **** driver, and an obnoxious prick yeh ill just stop were ever i feel middle of the road, on corners, indicators what are they, since when have kids or parents not got legs they cant walk to school and back, any wonder kids are turning into little meatballs.

Most kids in primary schools in built up areas like were i live arent coming from miles away its a five ten min walk tops, its lazy adults picking up future lazy kids.

starbelgrade

Daegerty wrote: »

how is parking too close to a school unsafe?

Most schools were built without parking zones outside them, so when people park outside, they usually do so on double yellow lines. This reduces the road width (often on both sides), which is dangerous to drivers & pedestrians if a car has to swerve to avoid a hazard.

Add to that the fact that SUVs are so high up that they often obscure the views of drivers & pedestrians, then there is an decrease in road safety for all users.

But as long as your kid is safe, then fuck everyone else.

That seems to be the attitude anyway.

Iwannahurl

That old chestnut indeed.

In my neck of the woods the law enforcers have a deliberate policy of ignoring the abuse of pedestrian facilities around schools.

Smartarse comments about stationary vehicles aside, a death probably won't change anything. Pedestrians are loozas, yummy mummies in their shiny tanks rule the road, and the footpaths.

Daegerty

starbelgrade wrote: »

Most schools were built without parking zones outside them, so when people park outside, they usually do so on double yellow lines. This reduces the road width (often on both sides), which is dangerous to drivers & pedestrians if a car has to swerve to avoid a hazard.

Add to that the fact that SUVs are so high up that they often obscure the views of drivers & pedestrians, then there is an decrease in road safety for all users.

But as long as your kid is safe, then fuck everyone else.

That seems to be the attitude anyway.

Usually around here when the school starts or finishes the roads are so clogged up it would be very hard to be doing a speed where youd have to swerve to avoid something.

and most of the SUVs are after disappearing since the tiger died. wonder where they all went to, england maybe?

Daegerty

Iwannahurl wrote: »

That old chestnut indeed.

In my neck of the woods the law enforcers have a deliberate policy of ignoring the abuse of pedestrian facilities around schools.

Smartarse comments about stationary vehicles aside, a death probably won't change anything. Pedestrians are loozas, yummy mummies in their shiny tanks rule the road, and the footpaths.

If there was a death i would say nobody would ever be allowed to park within a mile of a school and all children have to be brought to their homes in an armoured limousine by a certified professional chauffeur who is vetted weekly for any signs of paedophilia

Blink182rock

youd get mass with all the priests parked there ............................................


uh oh

Iwannahurl

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Agreed, i live in an estate right beside a primary school, everyday at school closing time its like an A to Z on how to be a **** driver, and an obnoxious prick yeh ill just stop were ever i feel middle of the road, on corners, indicators what are they, since when have kids or parents not got legs they cant walk to school and back, any wonder kids are turning into little meatballs.

Most kids in primary schools in built up areas like were i live arent coming from miles away its a five ten min walk tops, its lazy adults picking up future lazy kids.

Too right. Something like 40,000 children in this country are driven less than 1 km to primary school. There are more secondary students driving themselves to school than are cycling. Future meatballs indeed.

amacca

Ghandee wrote: »

There used to be a Jewish Pedo sat outside our school!

The amount of times he tried to SELL me sweets was UNFKNBLIVABLE!

How did you know he was Jewish?


Oh.....never mind!

Homer

You can say what you like about pedophiles.. Least they drive slowly past schools

mikemac

Dravokivich wrote: »

Yeah well, speaking as a parent I'm concerned for my childs safety and if I'm to transport them from A- B

I never once disputed this and I didn't attack you

My point was on parents who drive up onto footpaths while two to three hundred children are trying to exit school.
These cars and SUV's would almost drive to the classroom if they could, god forbid the children have to walk, it's an unsafe world after all.

Dravokivich, I've no issue with parent collecting children from school. I've an issue with safety conscious parent with SUV's driving to the school gate and blocking pedestrian crossings. Hell a lot of adults cannot see over an SUV. So how is parking one outside a school when a few hundred are leaving safe?

And yes in my day and your day as well we walked, cycled or got some piece of **** Bus Éireann cast off to take us to school. No harm done and we were slimmer and fitter

stovelid

Just don't speed past schools and you ll be fine.

mikemac

Daegerty wrote: »

how is parking too close to a school unsafe?

Because children cannot see over a lot of cars!
And when you include jeeps and SUV's, hell a lot of adults cannot see over them

You've seen it outside your local school, it's a free for all.
And in the mornings, some parents are rushing off to work so their concentration might not be perfect

Was Ireland in the 80's realy so bad when we walked, cycled or got Bus Éireann to school? Few enough drove

Freddie59

Daegerty wrote: »

ah yes if you park too close to a school it might be inclined to attack you because it feels its personal space is being invaded.

how is parking too close to a school unsafe? what other types of buildings can you not park too close to incase they might attack?

Nice one. Seriously though, the whole situation is ridiculous. One poster here has said 'if everyone else is doing it why shouldn't I". We have to start somewhere. Proper enforcement of the parking regulations might help.

Makes me laugh when you see the double yellows being laid outside the schools - and they're just ignored. And it's the usual clowns who do it. I passed by a school in Waterford one day, about 15 minutes before collection time. No cars parked anywhere. Except for one lady - who was parked ON the school crossing. Obviously this was a daily ritual. People who do this are really lazy, inconsiderate clowns.

mikemac

Freddie59 wrote: »

Except for one lady - who was parked ON the school crossing. Obviously this was a daily ritual. People who do this are really lazy, inconsiderate clowns.

And she'd be the first to give the evil eye and call the superintendent and local paper over boy racers and bikers and cyclists rushing past the local school

thebman

Daegerty wrote: »

Usually around here when the school starts or finishes the roads are so clogged up it would be very hard to be doing a speed where youd have to swerve to avoid something.

and most of the SUVs are after disappearing since the tiger died. wonder where they all went to, england maybe?

Ever wonder why the roads are so clogged when school finishes/starts?

Maybe because parents are parked on the side of the road on double yellow lines, pulling out into traffic and stopping on the road blocking up everything.

These people follow no rules and should be fined by the police.

I worked on a road where there was virtually no traffic but school traffic and it added 10 minutes to my journey in a non-built up area when schools were on so in busy areas, it is causing serious traffic build up.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Does seem to be fairly stupid mentality,i dont see why parents could carpool or even get a bus*yes i know that would be an effort for their little darlings too.

Daegerty

thebman wrote: »

Ever wonder why the roads are so clogged when school finishes/starts?

Maybe because parents are parked on the side of the road on double yellow lines, pulling out into traffic and stopping on the road blocking up everything.

These people follow no rules and should be fined by the police.

I worked on a road where there was virtually no traffic but school traffic and it added 10 minutes to my journey in a non-built up area when schools were on so in busy areas, it is causing serious traffic build up.

Not so much because they are parked but because they stop for a chat to other parents through the car window before moving along to a parking space.

The last thing we need is more fecking rules and regulations and fines. I hate that sort of thing and I suppose while its mildly annoying that these people won't move on or park somewhere else it doesn't really affect my day too much and I get over it.

Tbh it would be worse if you cant stop somewhere for a minute without getting a fooking fine.

Freddie59 wrote: »

Nice one. Seriously though, the whole situation is ridiculous. One poster here has said 'if everyone else is doing it why shouldn't I". We have to start somewhere. Proper enforcement of the parking regulations might help.

I dont know why people keep clamouring for more regulations. The school near me is after investing in a proper car park which is a far better solution

There's narrowish roads around my local school. The parents always park on both sides of the road (god forbid 10m more for little Britney to walk) so it's only wide enough for one stream of traffic at drop-off/pick-up times. So the school issued a letter to the parents proposing they stick to a one way system during these times. This was only issued to the parents, and did actually explain that this was just a suggestion to the parents.

So my mother, a local, was driving up the road in her little 3-door ford fiesta (doesn't even have power steering), vrooming along peacefully. Parent comes down the opposite direction, driving in the middle of the road, like the one way system would be at the busy times, even though there was enough room for both the cars as it was mid-day. Soccer mom almost ran my mother off the path, she had to go up onto the path, with a lot of difficulty, and gets a right filthy and a loud beep of the parent in the car. She came home pretty shook up. Apparently the wan in the car was pretty aggressive/snobby about it. She had a seven seater with one kid in it. Typical.

Fighting Irish

strokemyclover wrote: »

I think the accidents the OP forgot to describe further were the number of cars parked near schools bursting into flames. The number of motorists starting fires in cars from all the static electricity generated by lap rubbing is a real epidemic!

WHOOOOOSH!

and this is the reason the thanks button has ruined AH, people trying way too hard and failing really hard

steve9859

Report today saying that two thirds of Irish are overweight. Is it any wonder when parents don't let their little precious get any exercise by, god forbid, walking to school or walking to the bus stop, but instead getting dropped as few paces from the school gate as possible!

Daegerty

I find yummy mummy's with an Audi Q7 are the worst drivers

JohnathanM

Daegerty wrote: »

I find yummy mummy's with an Audi Q7 are the worst drivers

Could you be more specific?

Daegerty

JohnathanM wrote: »

Could you be more specific?

Just something I noticed

also saw one parked at a train station parked against a bollard quite recently. actually crashed into a concrete bollard and left it there with the bollard still pushing into the front of the car

mikemac

steve9859 wrote: »

god forbid, walking to school or walking to the bus stop, but instead getting dropped as few paces from the school gate as possible!

A lot of parents in Ireland are convinced there are predators and sex offenders right outside their school :eek:
I read the photography forum and even the crew over there take abuse from hysterical parents when the try photography on sports days or down the local GAA club.

Never mind statistics prove most offenders are a relation or family friend.

Nope, we had a thread this week on hysteria on crime and some parents would drive young Britney into the classroom if they could.
Big bad world out there after all

Daegerty

feelingstressed wrote: »

A lot of parents in Ireland are convinced there are predators and sex offenders right outside their school :eek:
I read the photography forum and even the crew over there take abuse from hysterical parents when the try photography on sports days or down the local GAA club.

Never mind statistics prove most offenders are a relation or family friend.

Nope, we had a thread this week on hysteria on crime and some parents would drive young Britney into the classroom if they could.
Big bad world out there after all

I have had some amount of abuse myself over in england off some woman and her child only took up about 1 and a half pixels in the photo i took. pure madness this paedophile hysteria

next time one comes up to me i'm going to say 'ah noticed the brand new x-ray vision lense on my camera did ya?'

JohnathanM

Daegerty wrote: »

Just something I noticed

also saw one parked at a train station parked against a bollard quite recently. actually crashed into a concrete bollard and left it there with the bollard still pushing into the front of the car

I was actually wondering what colour Audi Q7 made for the worst offenders, but fair enough. I think in general that people driving f'off big cars are terrible drivers. They seem attracted to the supposed safety aspect precisely because they don't know how to drive properly. Hence bollards.

Annoys me no end trying to get to work late when the school run is on. Double parking in front of pedestrian crossings is the worst bit of fun down my way, especially when there's a car park not fifty metres away. FFS. A little police enforcement would be nice.

Gyalist

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Too right. Something like 40,000 children in this country are driven less than 1 km to primary school. There are more secondary students driving themselves to school than are cycling. Future meatballs indeed.

The worst that I've ever seen was this kid from a diplomatic family who was chauffeur-driven from their house in Temple Road to Alexandra College in Milltown - a distance of about 300 metres at most. The child was overweight and God knows she needed the little bit of exercise.

Fighting Irish

steve9859 wrote: »

Report today saying that two thirds of Irish are overweight. Is it any wonder when parents don't let their little precious get any exercise by, god forbid, walking to school or walking to the bus stop, but instead getting dropped as few paces from the school gate as possible!

I'm a young male with no children and when i have children i doubt i'd let them walk to school(while in primary school)

Daegerty

JohnathanM wrote: »

I was actually wondering what colour Audi Q7 made for the worst offenders.

I'll try to keep an eye out for the colour of the ould badly driven Q7's in future for ya

Iwannahurl

Daegerty wrote: »

I have had some amount of abuse myself over in england off some woman and her child only took up about 1 and a half pixels in the photo i took. pure madness this paedophile hysteria

next time one comes up to me i'm going to say 'ah noticed the brand new x-ray vision lense on my camera did ya?'

The paedophile hysteria and accusations may be an attempt at deterring opposition to illegal parking around schools. In my experience obnoxious parkers are casual and apathetic when it comes to compliance with traffic and parking regs, but they can suddenly turn nasty and extremely defensive when challenged on their illegal behaviour. I've never understood that mindset. This kind of thing must fill them with hate: http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/local-headlines/road_safety_poster_contest_1_1468649

eoinkildare

there's a garda on a mountain bike in the area i work (edenmore in dublin 5) who gives out tickets and moves people on etc. from the no parking area outside the two schools there and gets nothing but hassle from people when he does it. its always the usual sh*te like, "have you not got something better to do?" or "why dont you catch the real criminals."

Iwannahurl

Fighting Irish wrote: »

I'm a young male with no children and when i have children i doubt i'd let them walk to school(while in primary school)

Regardless of distance?

There are people in my street driving their children approx 700 metres to the local primary school. Other neighbours walk, and a few cycle. There is absolutely no necessity for a car. When my children are old enough to go to the same school, I'll be damned if I take the car. It would be nothing short of insanity.

thebman

Daegerty wrote: »

Not so much because they are parked but because they stop for a chat to other parents through the car window before moving along to a parking space.

The last thing we need is more fecking rules and regulations and fines. I hate that sort of thing and I suppose while its mildly annoying that these people won't move on or park somewhere else it doesn't really affect my day too much and I get over it.

Tbh it would be worse if you cant stop somewhere for a minute without getting a fooking fine.



I dont know why people keep clamouring for more regulations. The school near me is after investing in a proper car park which is a far better solution

The school near me has a proper car park and there is another school across the road and it has a proper car park yet traffic backs up down the road for 10 minutes because the car park get filled (I don't know what they do in there), the other remains empty most of the time but the people on the road that are just sitting indicating blocking up the whole place are preventing progress for all other road users and there is an empty car park across the road for the other school.

Let alone most of these parents are living in the neighbouring estates to me and driving these kids to the school.

You can't just block up roads left, right and centre and say, ah sure you can't fine me because I don't want to be fined.

What they are doing is already breaking the law. You can't just back up traffic as much as you like because you want to turn right. Even if there weren't traffic laws against it, it is just ignorant and disrespectful of other road users.

Why should I have to sit there burning petrol for 10 minutes because they want to chat in the car park or don't want to go find parking down the road and walk for 5 minutes? Why should everyone else there not attending the school be forced to do the same?

Its just ignorant.

Daegerty

thebman wrote: »

The school near me has a proper car park and there is another school across the road and it has a proper car park yet traffic backs up down the road for 10 minutes because the car park get filled (I don't know what they do in there), the other remains empty most of the time but the people on the road that are just sitting indicating blocking up the whole place are preventing progress for all other road users and there is an empty car park across the road for the other school.

Let alone most of these parents are living in the neighbouring estates to me and driving these kids to the school.

You can't just block up roads left, right and centre and say, ah sure you can't fine me because I don't want to be fined.

What they are doing is already breaking the law. You can't just back up traffic as much as you like because you want to turn right. Even if there weren't traffic laws against it, it is just ignorant and disrespectful of other road users.

Why should I have to sit there burning petrol for 10 minutes because they want to chat in the car park or don't want to go find parking down the road and walk for 5 minutes? Why should everyone else there not attending the school be forced to do the same?

Its just ignorant.

The chat through the car window is almost like a ritual to them at this stage, would hate to take that away from them as annoying as it might be to put up with. They will move along if there is someone behind them beeping though, only someone as obnoxious as a Q7 driver will stay there chatting and knowingly hold up traffic (QashQai drivers can be quite bad too sometimes)

a lot of schools dont have any room to build car parks so unfortunately even if everybody moved on fairly fast collecting children would still get massive congestion. The problem is always much worse during bad weather as nobody these days will let a child walk more than an inch in the pouring rain

Fighting Irish

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Regardless of distance?

There are people in my street driving their children approx 700 metres to the local primary school. Other neighbours walk, and a few cycle. There is absolutely no necessity for a car. When my children are old enough to go to the same school, I'll be damned if I take the car. It would be nothing short of insanity.

Well it does depend on distance and the weather i suppose

Iwannahurl

Daegerty wrote: »

The chat through the car window is almost like a ritual to them at this stage, would hate to take that away from them as annoying as it might be to put up with. They will move along if there is someone behind them beeping though, only someone as obnoxious as a Q7 driver will stay there chatting and knowingly hold up traffic (QashQai drivers can be quite bad too sometimes)

a lot of schools dont have any room to build car parks so unfortunately even if everybody moved on fairly fast collecting children would still get massive congestion. The problem is always much worse during bad weather as nobody these days will let a child walk more than an inch in the pouring rain

Maybe they're chatting about their cars, and their entitlements as car owners.

If they walked or cycled they might converse more with their own children, which would be better all round.

UK charity Living Street has referred to a "growing generation of 'backseat children' who, because they are being driven to school, are failing to develop an understanding of road safety, their environment or their role in the community".

Their 2008 Backseat Children report found that children who are isolated in cars are not being allowed to learn road safety skills, aren’t able to play an active part in their community and are denied the chance to develop their independence.

The following year, research commissioned by Living Streets found that car-bound school children miss out on valuable social time. 44% of parents of children who are driven to school admit that they spend 5 minutes or less engaging in quality conversation with their child on the journey to and from school.

Source: http://www.walktoschool.org.uk/free-stuff/statistics/