France v Ireland

daveyeh · 12-05-2011 01:10PM #1

First Henry handballs us out of the world cup, now this!

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/france-scuppers-hopes-of-cut-in-bailout-interest-rate-154340.html

Why do they do dislike us so?

sensibleken · 12-05-2011 01:12PM

If they wanted to control the country they should have landed in 1798

mikom · 12-05-2011 01:15PM

Lol at Lucinda Creightons face.

Paul.C · 12-05-2011 01:17PM

sensibleken wrote: »

If they wanted to control the country they should have landed in 1798

owl wolftone, quality.

El Guapo! · 12-05-2011 01:23PM

Fukn French.
We should just leave the euro and ask can we be part of the USA.

steddyeddy · 12-05-2011 01:25PM

In fairness at a cermemony commemerating those who fought in ww2 they didnt ask the british people who helped liberate their country do you really care what a country like that thinks?

daveyeh · 12-05-2011 01:29PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness at a cermemony commemerating those who fought in ww2 they didnt ask the british people who helped liberate their country do you really care what a country like that thinks?

I honestly couldn't care less.

orourkeda · 12-05-2011 01:31PM

Fack off sarkozy

sensibleken · 12-05-2011 01:33PM

daveyeh wrote: »

I honestly couldn't care less.

the extra 500 million a year that would come out of that 1% cut would have been nice though. Theyre pushing themselves further to a NET loss on the loan by increasing the chance of a default

My guess is they are up to one of two things.

1) They want piigs countries out of europe so as to create a club of large countries free from having to pay attention to smaller ones or

2) They want to bleed us dry.

alchemist33 · 12-05-2011 01:34PM

I've never understood why France and Germany are so concerned about our commercial tax. Surely we're only dragging a small number of non-EU businesses away from them. Those businesses can make a big difference to us, but only a small difference to them.

It feels more like punishment, or their governments grandstanding so they can tell their electorates they're no pushovers with the wasteful Irish.

Paul.C · 12-05-2011 01:35PM

we could refuse but we wont as usuall

sensibleken · 12-05-2011 01:37PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

I've never understood why France and Germany are so concerned about our commercial tax. Surely we're only dragging a small number of non-EU businesses away from them. Those businesses can make a big difference to us, but only a small difference to them.

It feels more like punishment, or their governments grandstanding so they can tell their electorates they're no pushovers with the wasteful Irish.

Divilment. Nothing more or less. Its a political tool to show their electorate that they are not just bailing out these silly little countries. Its already been shown that France has less corporation tax than ireland

DingChavez · 12-05-2011 01:49PM

Blockade them with our tiny navy and fly a few of our propeller fighters in their airspace. They'll surrender.

daveyeh · 12-05-2011 01:53PM

DingChavez wrote: »

Blockade them with our tiny navy and fly a few of our propeller fighters in their airspace. They'll surrender.

And send in the FCA with their tatty uniforms and diabities.

nacho libre · 12-05-2011 01:55PM

I'm sure the lisbon treaty guarantees will ensure Sarkozy does not get his way.

I wonder could we have another go at the Lisbon treaty? Perhaps people have changed their mind again on it. Or is it that we gave the right answer last time so no further vote is needed?

sensibleken · 12-05-2011 01:57PM

nacho libre wrote: »

I'm sure the lisbon treaty guarantees will ensure Sarkozy does not get his way.

I wonder could we have another go at the Lisbon treaty? Perhaps people have changed their mind again on it. Or is it that we gave the right answer last time so no further vote is needed?

lets not drag this up again. this has precisely zero to do with lisbon. This is France acting as a sovereign nation trying to bully ireland into raising its rate in exchange for lowering the interest.

jaysus its like when people starting blaming lisbon for FF lowering the minimum wage

mathie · 12-05-2011 01:58PM

sensibleken wrote: »

the extra 500 million a year that would come out of that 1% cut would have been nice though. Theyre pushing themselves further to a NET loss on the loan by increasing the chance of a default

My guess is they are up to one of two things.

1) They want piigs countries out of europe so as to create a club of large countries free from having to pay attention to smaller ones or

2) They want to bleed us dry.

They're doing it to put the 5hits up Spain so they'll tow the line too.

Topper Harley · 12-05-2011 01:58PM

sensibleken wrote: »

Its already been shown that France has less corporation tax than ireland

My good friend Wikipedia tells me that the French corporate tax rate is 33.33%. That's the extent of my knowledge but in what way was it shown that France's corporate tax rate is lower than Ireland's?

Sanjuro · 12-05-2011 02:00PM

To be honest, fuck the ECB. Fuck the European Government. Fuck the German government, and fuck off Sarkozy. Sick of hearing about these cunts.

sensibleken · 12-05-2011 02:04PM

Topper Harley wrote: »

My good friend Wikipedia tells me that the French corporate tax rate is 33.33%. That's the extent of my knowledge but in what way was it shown that France's corporate tax rate is lower than Ireland's?

thats the nominal rate but with exemptions and allowances it was shown by PWC i think that the effective average rate turned out to be closer to 8%.

JBnaglfar · 12-05-2011 02:15PM

sensibleken wrote: »

thats the nominal rate but with exemptions and allowances it was shown by PWC i think that the effective average rate turned out to be closer to 8%.

Yeah, 8.2%. The French Agency for International Investment even advertises this point to attract investment. Source

Morlar · 12-05-2011 02:18PM

I think the days when Irish people automatically expected the EU to be the good guys are over.

Craebear · 12-05-2011 02:20PM

The Government will cave in to the French/Germans eventually. Our politicians have no spine whatsoever.

mconigol · 12-05-2011 02:25PM

Threaten to default.

That'll shut em up.

nacho libre · 12-05-2011 02:25PM

sensibleken wrote: »

lets not drag this up again. this has precisely zero to do with lisbon. This is France acting as a sovereign nation trying to bully ireland into raising its rate in exchange for lowering the interest.

jaysus its like when people starting blaming lisbon for FF lowering the minimum wage

We'll see soon enough if it's releveant. We were told the corporate tax rate couldn't be touched due to the guarantees. Sarkozy is playing hardball because his chances of re-election in France are not favourable. He has to be seen to swing to the right to win back support
It's inevitable we're going to have to give something in return for a reduced rate.
Most likely there will be a formula of words where we commit to a common consolidated tax rate across the EU. Which some people will be at pains to out is completely different to raising our corporate tax rate

Frank Black · 12-05-2011 02:28PM

I was looking for directions in Paris once and I went up to this French guy and asked if he spoke English (My French is poor).

He said "when I want to" and walked off.

Feckin Frencies.

Morlar · 12-05-2011 02:30PM

nacho libre wrote: »

We'll see soon enough if it's releveant. We were told the corporate tax rate couldn't be touched due to the guarantees. Sarkozy is playing hardball because his chances of re-election in France are not favourable. He has to be seen to swing to the right to win back support
It's inevitable we're going to have to give something in return for a reduced rate.
Most likely there will be a formula of words where we commit to a common consolidated tax rate across the EU. Which some people will be at pains to out is completely different to raising our corporate tax rate

Thing is this would do extraordinary damage to Ireland and be of only marginal benefit to the french & German economies. You would think a sense of common empathy among europeans would come in to play here. Considering, if it were not for the EU we would not have had the disastrous 'No bank left behind' policy which is the reason why we did not cut anglo off at the ankles in the first place. The sooner we default and pull out of the euro the better. It is the only way to avoid 'war reparations' levels of debt being forced on the Irish public.

zero19 · 12-05-2011 02:37PM

God I hate the french

12-05-2011 02:37PM

nacho libre wrote: »

We were told the corporate tax rate couldn't be touched due to the guarantees

Incorrect. We were told that nothing in the Lisbon Treaty made any changes to Ireland's control of its corporate tax rates. Which was exactly right.

Topper Harley · 12-05-2011 02:41PM

sensibleken wrote: »

thats the nominal rate but with exemptions and allowances it was shown by PWC i think that the effective average rate turned out to be closer to 8%.

JBnaglfar wrote: »

Yeah, 8.2%. The French Agency for International Investment even advertises this point to attract investment. Source

Those cheeky bastards.

Morlar · 12-05-2011 02:41PM

28064212 wrote: »

Incorrect. We were told that nothing in the Lisbon Treaty made any changes to Ireland's control of its corporate tax rates. Which was exactly right.

Your right. I can't find mention of blackmailing a country that's teetering on the verge of the economic abyss anywhere in that lisbon treaty.

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