Shíte flats and Rent supplement not accepted

mikemac · 08-05-2011 03:07AM

I'm glad to hear it, €70 a month is a mere fraction of the rate.

Yeah I bash the Irish goverment as well as anyone else
But the Citizens Information Bureau is a good service

Top website: www.citizensinformation.ie
Good helpline

Lo-Call 1890 777 121, Monday to Friday, 9am - 9pm

Centres around Ireland: http://centres.citizensinformation.ie/

Don't bitch about the State.......no make use of it and make the State work for you

Mushy · 08-05-2011 10:18AM

feelingstressed wrote: »

I'm glad to hear it, €70 a month is a mere fraction of the rate.

Yeah I bash the Irish goverment as well as anyone else
But the Citizens Information Bureau is a good service

Top website: www.citizensinformation.ie
Good helpline
Centres around Ireland: http://centres.citizensinformation.ie/

Don't bitch about the State.......no make use of it and make the State work for you

Thanks for posting these links. Is rent allowance based on income yeah? I might try and see if I can get it.

Biggins · 08-05-2011 10:59AM

A lot of the time landlords don't accept rent allowance is because that would mean an additional paper trail and that would mean records kept by a government department that could be traced back to them.
...In other words they prefer cash in hand in some cases as to keep the taxman from finding out about an additional source of income that they are not declaring.

You would have thought that they would accept rent allowance a lot more (as it is more a sure way of knowing the rent is going to be covered at each payment due period) but they rejecting it indicates that they might be indeed wishing to also stay off the radar of the revenue commissioners.

Mushy · 08-05-2011 11:05AM

Biggins wrote: »

A lot of the time landlords don't accept rent allowance is because that would mean an additional paper trail and that would mean records kept by a government department that could be traced back to them.
...In other words they prefer cash in hand in some cases as to keep the taxman from finding out about an additional source of income that they are not declaring.

You would have thought that they would accept rent allowance a lot more (as it is more a sure way of knowing the rent is going to be covered at each payment due period) but they rejecting it indicates that they might be indeed wishing to also stay off the radar of the revenue commissioners.

Had a landlord like that, not registered with the relevant body, did nothing when told him about problems, absolute cretin of a human being. For some reason we never got around to reporting him, although since threatening him he has put multiple properties onto the registered list.

Cannot see why they would refuse rent allowance in the first place.

HoPpiE · 08-05-2011 11:15AM

Biggins wrote: »

A lot of the time landlords don't accept rent allowance is because that would mean an additional paper trail and that would mean records kept by a government department that could be traced back to them.
...In other words they prefer cash in hand in some cases as to keep the taxman from finding out about an additional source of income that they are not declaring.

You would have thought that they would accept rent allowance a lot more (as it is more a sure way of knowing the rent is going to be covered at each payment due period) but they rejecting it indicates that they might be indeed wishing to also stay off the radar of the revenue commissioners.

Just so you know, your landlord does not have to registered for you to avail of rent allowance.

Biggins · 08-05-2011 11:20AM

HoPpiE wrote: »

Just so you know, your landlord does not have to registered for you to avail of rent allowance.

True, in exceptional cases the Board will still make payments - however they have to confirm where your living and come out to the premises while your there, sometimes a few times and unannounced, to make sure a 'fast one' is not being pulled upon them.
The boards know that some landlords are indeed refusing rent allowance (and probably suspect why) and try to cope with that situation for the sake of those looking for a place to reside.

HoPpiE · 08-05-2011 11:23AM

They confirmed that I am living where I am by me providing documentation.

I was told they'd pay me a visit prior to being accepted but that never happened and I haven't had a visit from the 8 months on.

Biggins · 08-05-2011 11:40AM

HoPpiE wrote: »

They confirmed that I am living where I am by me providing documentation.

I was told they'd pay me a visit prior to being accepted but that never happened and I haven't had a visit from the 8 months on.

Don't be surprised if they do turn up some day. They also watch from a distance a small select few which they suspect might be trying to con them.

They know a lot of the time (from experiences of other tenants possibly having resided in the same place as you beforehand) of genuine landlords that won't accept the supplement.
When a new landlord name springs up, they are more cautious and check out the situation more.

3DataModem · 08-05-2011 11:42AM

So many sh1tty landlords giving the word a bad name.

Can someone set up www.ratemylandlord.ie so tenants can share stories about specific properties? And tenants can check in advance?

It is tough to make money landlording at the moment, but demand falling should drop prices and increase competitiveness. Some of these retards think "put in basic furnishing and wait 2-4 weeks for rent to start rolling in."

HoPpiE · 08-05-2011 11:47AM

Biggins wrote: »

Don't be surprised if they do turn up some day. They also watch from a distance a small select few which they suspect might be trying to con them.

They know a lot of the time (from experiences of other tenants possibly having resided in the same place as you beforehand) of genuine landlords that won't accept the supplement.
When a new landlord name springs up, they are more cautious and check out the situation more.

I don't doubt they wouldn't, but I've just given my months notice to my landlord.

Anyway, I gave them the correct information to begin with.

Biggins · 08-05-2011 11:57AM

HoPpiE wrote: »

I don't doubt they wouldn't, but I've just given my months notice to my landlord.
Anyway, I gave them the correct information to begin with.

Hope you land somewhere nice.

HoPpiE · 08-05-2011 12:01PM

So do I, but the outlook so far ain't looking too good with my student budget!

BostonB · 08-05-2011 12:34PM

Biggins wrote: »

A lot of the time landlords don't accept rent allowance is because that would mean an additional paper trail and that would mean records kept by a government department that could be traced back to them.
...In other words they prefer cash in hand in some cases as to keep the taxman from finding out about an additional source of income that they are not declaring.

You would have thought that they would accept rent allowance a lot more (as it is more a sure way of knowing the rent is going to be covered at each payment due period) but they rejecting it indicates that they might be indeed wishing to also stay off the radar of the revenue commissioners.

RA doesn't not mean getting rent is a sure thing. In many cases its not paid direct to the LL, so a tenant can hold on to it while claiming its delayed, and then do a runner a 3 or 4 months time.

So while I have no doubt tax evasion may be one reason for it, there are also LL who pay tax but who will still not take RA because its puts the LL at a disadvantage. If it works out fine. But it can be abused.

BostonB · 08-05-2011 12:44PM

3DataModem wrote: »

So many sh1tty landlords giving the word a bad name.

Can someone set up www.ratemylandlord.ie so tenants can share stories about specific properties? And tenants can check in advance?

It is tough to make money landlording at the moment, but demand falling should drop prices and increase competitiveness. Some of these retards think "put in basic furnishing and wait 2-4 weeks for rent to start rolling in."

There should be an excess of cheap places to rent, so I dunno why people can only find expensive dives.

shuyin1 · 08-05-2011 01:13PM

If landlords openly advertise "no RA", wouldn't that be a good starting point for revenue to investigate. Most likely theyre not reg with the prtb so dont want to get caught.

stateofflux · 08-05-2011 01:29PM

Dudess wrote: »

I'd have thought landlords had no choice but to lower rents at the moment though?

it depends where i think... there is still more demand than supply in some areas around dublin because of huge student numbers looking for accomodation , rathmines / rathgar / hc etc..thats why any place i viewed there had'nt been renovated or touched in over 50 years with very unhealthy dampness / mould ....and it allows a lot of greedy landlords to do what they want....

Biggins · 08-05-2011 01:34PM

BostonB wrote: »

RA doesn't not mean getting rent is a sure thing. In many cases its not paid direct to the LL, so a tenant can hold on to it while claiming its delayed, and then do a runner a 3 or 4 months time.

So while I have no doubt tax evasion may be one reason for it, there are also LL who pay tax but who will still not take RA because its puts the LL at a disadvantage. If it works out fine. But it can be abused.

I agree, I just mentioned one reason. There are obvious others (and maybe not so obvious).

Eric Cartman · 08-05-2011 04:50PM

most landlords dont like rent allowance as it means they have to declare the rental income,

that said , while your thread is complaining , If i owned a house to rent out I wouldnt want a lot of people on RA in it, id take it on a case by case basis but id still include that in the ad

Jesus Wept · 09-05-2011 01:31AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

most landlords dont like rent allowance as it means they have to declare the rental income,

that said , while your thread is complaining , If i owned a house to rent out I wouldnt want a lot of people on RA in it, id take it on a case by case basis but id still include that in the ad

You aren't really taking it on a case by case basis if you include 'no rent allowance' in the ad as you are telling people on rent allowance not to apply.

Retrovertigo · 09-05-2011 01:47AM

OP, I can tell you from experience that it's a renters market and has been for a few years, rents have also been considerably dropped in most areas. While possible for some, not all landlords refuse rent allowance because they are not registered with the PTRB.

Shryke · 09-05-2011 02:09AM

I don't know about anywhere else but Galway is horrible for this crap. Rent prices really haven't dropped here at all. My Landlady is an absolute tool and the house is nothing but a large kip. Finding somewhere nicer and more affordable is impossible unless I move miles out, which I might have to do. I might buy a bicycle.

okiss · 09-05-2011 03:43AM

Reading this brings back memories of looking for flats and getting rent allowance.
Places I saw a) had a bare wooden stairs, a room so small a cat could not live in it and the renter was still there smoking since the day he first moved in. b) the place with the carpet there since 1970 or before.The cooker from the same time along with the bed which had seen more action than the local knocking shop. c) the down stairs bedsit with a window the size of 1ft square, the rusty taps and the plug in heater that would have to be on 20 hours a day to heat up the room. Words could not describe some of the places I saw and the rent they wanted for these hovels was unreal.
The best revenge I heard on a scum bag landlord was a from a young I guy I knew living in a student town. The landlord was paid on time, the house was minded but the landlord would not replace or repair anything. The landlord then refused to give them back there deposit. The guy I knew started to asked other students about the LL and found out the address of all the properties he owned before sending a letter to revenue.

upandcumming · 09-05-2011 09:00AM

Darlughda wrote: »

COLOR="Magenta"]B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=1][B]So, we are supossed to be in an economic ... // ... of Fantastic studio flat to let in this fine house located on..[/I[/BNasty bedsit with single bed for the forever alone meme.....
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Probably lots of good points, but with fonts like that...

BostonB · 09-05-2011 10:22AM

okiss wrote: »

...
The best revenge I heard on a scum bag landlord was a from a young I guy I knew living in a student town. The landlord was paid on time,..

Renting from him in the first place was the problem.

Loads of people renting months isn't really giving him any message at all.

Duggy747 · 09-05-2011 10:38AM

You would actually be surprised at the amount of landlords who refuse rent allowance primarily because they believe it'll bring "certain" class of people into their property.

Nothing to do with the taxman in a lot of those cases as they'd be above board with him anyways.

Looking for a house last year I had never been interogated as much by so many landlords about my working past and "how quick are you going to get off that dole?" before they would even consider telling me the deposit.

Places are priced so high because people will come along and pay the disgusting amount of money for a cardboard box.

Amhran Nua · 09-05-2011 11:51AM

The-Rigger wrote: »

My previous landlord told me that they 'agreed not to be lowering rents', then went on another trademark rant about how expensive everything is for landlords and there is no money in it.

Just googled and there is a National Landlords Representative Association, here.

Whoops, hold on a minute there, that's an illegal anticompetitive practise.

If anyone hears about this or has any complaints, I'd recommend going to the EU competition authority, since you're unlikely to get much satisfaction from the public sector landlord types here.

Its not as unlikely as you think, the first ever anticompetitive convictions in the EU were in Galway, levied on petrol station owners operating as a cartel. The more complaints the better!

Miguel_Sanchez · 09-05-2011 11:58AM

I remember looking for a house two years ago and one letting agency in Dublin wanted myself and my friend to fax them bank statements and work/landlord references before they'd even give us an appointment to view the place.

Nope. Not going to happen, thanks very much.

You get my references if and when I decide to take the place and you do not get to see a bank statement from me, no way no how.

RainbowRose81 · 09-05-2011 03:38PM

Darlughda wrote: »

[B]So, we are supossed to be in an economic recession, where the high rental rates are due to RA, and landlords are willing to accept a decent tenant at decent rates? What a LOAD of shyte! Most ads for the slums on the lower level of rents are 'No rent allowance accepted'., this kind of socio-economic prejudice is allowed to exist, and it also encompasses illegal discrimination against people with illness/disabilities who are on the same rent supplement payment.[/B]

*******Fantastic 1 bed apartment to let************* Set in a quiet area in, lies this fantastic 1 bed apartment. Presented in excellent condition, the apartment has
-ample storage
-there is a living room and an open plan dining area
-fully equipped kitchen.
-bathroom.
-this property comes fully furnished and is decorated to a high standard with all mod cons in place.
-The property is excellently located, within walking distance of several local amenaties.
Ideal for professionals !!!!!!WITH A GREAT PRICE,HEATING AND TV INCLUDED IN RENT,EXCELLENT LOCATION MAKES THIS A GREAT RENTAL OPPORTUNITY!!!!! Would suit a professional single person. Viewing is a must!!
Rent allowance not accepted
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This numpty duplicates the exact same descriptions for every dodgy hovel they let and he is dumb, but not the worst.

delightful one spacious single bedroomed studio flat:
No it just is not, anything but only the desperate would live here. And that's the problem the desperate are forced to live in this kind of shyte.
Fantastic Value![/I]
No, it is an extortiant rent asked by a greedy landlord.

First Deposit will Take !!!!!!!!! Then why has your property been avail for 35 days and no reduction in your exthortionist price?
Living room cum bedroom Indeed
Charming studio apartment to let in this quiet and secluded area.
nasty bedsit in the heart of scumbagville you mean are delighted to present a selection of modern flats in this large house yeah we put in a couple of microwaves

Opportunity to rent a compact studio apt chance to live in a rabbit hutch
Lovely one bedroomed flat no its not studio in excellent location Bedsit in dodgy area

[I]**Suitable For 1 Person Only**
**Fantastic Location** This is a very nice 1st floor studio apartment located in the very desirable area of Fantastic studio flat to let in this fine house located on..[/I]Nasty bedsit with single bed for the forever alone meme.....
...

Those landlords would tell you anything for money, they lie, exaggerate and deceive. They are calling one room where there is a bed, a electrcial hob and an fridge all in the same room, a one bedroom studio apartment, its NOT a studio apartment its a bedsit. Studio apartments have a separate living room and a bed room.
When I was looking for a place to rent for myself, most of the places I seen I wouldn't expect animals to live in them. I saw this one place in particular where there was not even a chair I asked where can you sit? Even dogs and cats have beds to sit down on. I honesty don't know how they those landlords can sleep at night treating people like that , would they live in a place like that? They are treating people who are on welfare facing and marginalisation like that or to treat anyone like that to expect people to live in place where you wouldn't keep animals in, they should be ashamed of themselves, most of them are morally bankrupt.

Kinetic^ · 09-05-2011 03:45PM

Dudess wrote: »

I'd have thought landlords had no choice but to lower rents at the moment though?

Banks are actually doing their jobs these days and being careful about their lending. Add to that the high interest rates which only going up and people can't afford to buy. This is putting landlords back in the driving seat when it comes to rents.

BostonB · 09-05-2011 03:52PM

There should a lot of places sitting empty though.

Shíte flats and Rent supplement not accepted

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