Shíte flats and Rent supplement not accepted

Darlughda

[B]So, we are supossed to be in an economic recession, where the high rental rates are due to RA, and landlords are willing to accept a decent tenant at decent rates? What a LOAD of shyte! Most ads for the slums on the lower level of rents are 'No rent allowance accepted'., this kind of socio-economic prejudice is allowed to exist, and it also encompasses illegal discrimination against people with illness/disabilities who are on the same rent supplement payment.[/B]

*******Fantastic 1 bed apartment to let************* Set in a quiet area in, lies this fantastic 1 bed apartment. Presented in excellent condition, the apartment has
-ample storage
-there is a living room and an open plan dining area
-fully equipped kitchen.
-bathroom.
-this property comes fully furnished and is decorated to a high standard with all mod cons in place.
-The property is excellently located, within walking distance of several local amenaties.
Ideal for professionals !!!!!!WITH A GREAT PRICE,HEATING AND TV INCLUDED IN RENT,EXCELLENT LOCATION MAKES THIS A GREAT RENTAL OPPORTUNITY!!!!! Would suit a professional single person. Viewing is a must!!
Rent allowance not accepted
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This numpty duplicates the exact same descriptions for every dodgy hovel they let and he is dumb, but not the worst.

delightful one spacious single bedroomed studio flat:
No it just is not, anything but only the desperate would live here. And that's the problem the desperate are forced to live in this kind of shyte.
Fantastic Value![/I]
No, it is an extortiant rent asked by a greedy landlord.

First Deposit will Take !!!!!!!!! Then why has your property been avail for 35 days and no reduction in your exthortionist price?
Living room cum bedroom Indeed
Charming studio apartment to let in this quiet and secluded area.
nasty bedsit in the heart of scumbagville you mean are delighted to present a selection of modern flats in this large house yeah we put in a couple of microwaves

Opportunity to rent a compact studio apt chance to live in a rabbit hutch
Lovely one bedroomed flat no its not studio in excellent location Bedsit in dodgy area

[I]**Suitable For 1 Person Only**
**Fantastic Location** This is a very nice 1st floor studio apartment located in the very desirable area of Fantastic studio flat to let in this fine house located on..[/I]Nasty bedsit with single bed for the forever alone meme.....
...

Chris P. Bacon

Darlughda wrote: »

, where the high rental rates are due to RA,

We owe the IRA money now?

Jesus Wept

There are a lot of studio apartments that exist that no one should live in. They are a disgrace.
The prices they can command is testament to how ****ed up the whole system is.

admiralofthefleet

The-Rigger wrote: »

There are a lot of studio apartments that exist that no one should live in. They are a disgrace.
The prices they can command is testament to how ****ed up the whole system is.

i saw one in arklow a few months ago that was reeked in damp. the place was disgusting and was on daft at €650 a month
another one got real snotty with me on the phone when i mentioned that my partner is pregnant, 'i dont want kids in my apartments' was her reply

Jesus Wept

Most landlords are nuts in my experience. Hope the whole house of cards comes tumbling down soon.

Darlughda

Apologies for the formatting in my original post. I cannot seem to correct it. An no, the IRA are not to fault.
What I mean is, oh golly you know what I mean.

admiralofthefleet

met a letting agent to view another place in arklow but when we walked outside his shop he says 'are ya goin ta give me a lift' he was a big man and barely fit in the car

Jesus Wept

Should have put the meter on.

Mushy

Im in the position of looking for places like these now (all I can and will be able to afford). I laugh at the landlords who have ads up for ages waiting for somebody to move in. If I do have to get one of them, they will be negotiated downwards. If they dont accept, well then they deserve to be burdened with extra debt.

stovelid

The-Rigger wrote: »

There are a lot of studio apartments that exist that no one should live in.

I'm old enough to remember them being called bedsits.

mikemac

Haggle like a cattle dealer!
The landlord haggled over the price, the mortage, the agents fee, the banks rates, the banks terms, the tradesmen and any furnishing bought
Yet some seem offended if you try to haggle the rent :rolleyes:

I lived in a bedsit in Drumcondra, there were presses above my bed which collapsed on me as I slept and I got concussion and a bleeding cut on my head. Could have been a lot worse. You'd read about me in some freak accident newspaper report, tenant died as they slept.

Landlord did feck all and took seven weeks to replace them and I lost two days from work

Do landlords understand every day the place is vacant they lose money? It's better to have a reliable tenant paying a steady rent then asking too much and losing good tenants?
Short term greed over long term gain? Seems not

Darlughda

I have tried haggling but to no avail. Although I have a months rent plus deposit in cash€1000. landlord references etc, and the possiblity of a genuine good long term tenant ...no joy. recession me ass.

BostonB

Darlughda wrote: »

.....What a LOAD of shyte! Most ads for the slums on the lower level of rents are 'No rent allowance accepted'., this kind of socio-economic prejudice is allowed to exist, and it also encompasses illegal discrimination against people with illness/disabilities who are on the same rent supplement payment....
...

Then part of the problem might be...

The delays in getting it set up
its paid a month in arrears
its not paid direct to the landlord
abuse of RA isn't tracked countrywide

So its not attractive to LL's. If LL were stuck, they'd accept anyone. So if they don't want RA it suggests they aren't stuck for tenants.

TBH the whole rental/tenant/LL system is brutal here. Its needs to be completely changed. Its not working for anyone at the moment.

Mike 1972

Darlughda wrote: »

Rent supplement not accepted...

How does it work if one looses their job halfway through the tenancy period ?

admiralofthefleet

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

i saw one in arklow a few months ago that was reeked in damp. the place was disgusting and was on daft at €650 a month
another one got real snotty with me on the phone when i mentioned that my partner is pregnant, 'i dont want kids in my apartments' was her reply

this is the one i posted about above. 50 quid has been knocked off the price. i wouldnt let a dog live there

mikemac

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

i wouldnt let a dog live there

Looks ok to me, the photos look fine

But then you saw the damp when you visited

Johro

stovelid wrote: »

I'm old enough to remember them being called bedsits.

Yeah, the ones where you'd smack your head of the wash hand basin when ya got up out of bed. And the 'kitchen' was a small sink and a scummy old electric cooker stuck in a corner. Landlords are a breed apart.

mikemac

And when your radiator was broken you turned on your oven and left the oven door open to heat the flat
Bad times

Around the 1900's Ireland and Dublin in particular had the worst slums in Europe. And many on Dublin Corporation were landlords! So of course nothing was done about standards
Yes, 110 years ago Ireland was crooked and nowadays people and the state are paying good money to amateur landlords who haven't a clue or maybe they don't care at all

We are far better off then back then but still problems exist that could be solved with more inspectors and rigorous standards and lower rent allowance
Probably would save money realy. Rent allowance puts a cap on the rental market. Single workers looking for a flat compete with those on welfare. Lower rent allowance and the rent falls

Logical Fallacy

feelingstressed wrote: »

Rent allowance puts a cap on the rental market. Single workers looking for a flat compete with those on welfare. Lower rent allowance and the rent falls

lol, most landlords have hardly dropped the rent since the end of the boom and the majority of them are so ****ing greedy they would rather leave an add up for stupid money that drop the prices.

I am not sure how much rent allowance is for most people but during the period when both myself and my girlfriend were unemployed our rent allowance came to 70euro a month...that was it...I have a hard time believing the argument that rent allowance is such a huge issue in the renting market that it is putting too much onto the price.

Greedy ****ing landlords will out.

Thankfully the chap we are currently renting from is a very decent landlord...any problems are solved the day we call him to the best of his ability, if he can't handle it the relevant tradesman is around the next day.

Dudess

I'd have thought landlords had no choice but to lower rents at the moment though?

LighterGuy

Dudess wrote: »

I'd have thought landlords had no choice but to lower rents at the moment though?

Fact is, alot of landlords dont want to lower them. Obviously some have. But to what extent? But Rip off ireland again peeks its ugly face.

Jesus Wept

Dudess wrote: »

I'd have thought landlords had no choice but to lower rents at the moment though?

My previous landlord told me that they 'agreed not to be lowering rents', then went on another trademark rant about how expensive everything is for landlords and there is no money in it.

Just googled and there is a National Landlords Representative Association, here.

I know that he had a lot of properties though, obviously there are going to be landlords who are not apart of the landlords association, and there will be those that are and agree that rents shouldn't be lowered but will do so regardless -reluctantly where need be.
It does seem there is a cartel element to some extent though.
It may go some way towards explaining the ridiculous differences between asking prices.
Some just pluck a ridiculous figure and hope that either someone will take it or that it will serve as the starting point even though it is way above the price that other apartments in the same building are achieving.

Anyhow, it's the floor that rent allowance puts in the market that is really keeping rents propped up.

Trying to get your current landlord to reduce the rent is a real nightmare in my experience, the ones I have dealt with are deluded.

Logical Fallacy

Dudess wrote: »

I'd have thought landlords had no choice but to lower rents at the moment though?

Not really, there are apartments around my area that have been empty now for nearly 2 years. I can see the ads on daft and the rent never drops, yet all the apartments in my building have seen a change of tenant at least once in that time so I reckon the demand isn't exactly low in the area.

Landlords will , for the most part, scrabble for the highest possible prices, do the least amount of work and then try and **** you out of your deposit when you leave. It's just their way.

That said, when the buying markets slows the rental market obviously increases...so there is that factor.

mikemac

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

both myself and my girlfriend were unemployed our rent allowance came to 70euro a month...that was it...

Not realy a typical example

Let's take a look at Dublin where most of boards posters are

I love the citizens information site, it's so helpful. This site and the Citizens Information Bureau are one of the best resources the average citizen have. Most towns in Ireland have an office, call in and the staff are great.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/supplementary_welfare_schemes/rent_supplement.html#l62fd2

Couple in shared accommodation would get €400 so a room share.
Up to €800 for a flat and that with no children. A couple or single parent with one child gets up to €930 a month
Now you got €70 a week for you are your partner but that's a fraction of the rate going.

And yes, if you're a worker and single and looking for a flat/bedsit or room in a houseshare you're competing against those on welfare
If you are a single parent working a ****ty low paid job, a single parent on welfare and rent paid and other benefits will be better off. This is the welfare trap.

Logical Fallacy

The-Rigger wrote: »

Anyhow, it's the floor that rent allowance puts in the market that is really keeping rents propped up.

Do you have any links to articles on this? I'm really interested but can't find a ****ing thing about it.

My Google skills fall off after 2am.

Logical Fallacy

feelingstressed wrote: »

Not realy a typical example

Let's take a look at Dublin where most of boards posters are

I love the citizens information site, it's so helpful. This site and the Citizens Information Bureau are on the best resources the average citizen have. Most towns in Ireland have an office, call in and the staff are great.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/supplementary_welfare_schemes/rent_supplement.html#l62fd2

Couple in shared accommodation would get €400 so a room share.
Up to €800 for a flat and that with no children. A couple or single parent with one child gets up to €930 a week.
Now you got €70 a week for you are your partner but that's a fraction of the rate going.

And yes, if you're a worker and single and looking for a flat/bedsit or room in a houseshare you're competing against those on welfare

Cheers for that! (We got 70 a MONTH between the two of us btw)

jayteecork

Darlughda wrote: »

[B]So, we are supossed to be in an economic recession, where the high rental rates are due to RA, and landlords are willing to accept a decent tenant at decent rates? What a LOAD of shyte! Most ads for the slums on the lower level of rents are 'No rent allowance accepted'., this kind of socio-economic prejudice is allowed to exist, and it also encompasses illegal discrimination against people with illness/disabilities who are on the same rent supplement payment.[/B]

*******Fantastic 1 bed apartment to let************* Set in a quiet area in, lies this fantastic 1 bed apartment. Presented in excellent condition, the apartment has
-ample storage
-there is a living room and an open plan dining area
-fully equipped kitchen.
-bathroom.
-this property comes fully furnished and is decorated to a high standard with all mod cons in place.
-The property is excellently located, within walking distance of several local amenaties.
Ideal for professionals !!!!!!WITH A GREAT PRICE,HEATING AND TV INCLUDED IN RENT,EXCELLENT LOCATION MAKES THIS A GREAT RENTAL OPPORTUNITY!!!!! Would suit a professional single person. Viewing is a must!!
Rent allowance not accepted
[

This numpty duplicates the exact same descriptions for every dodgy hovel they let and he is dumb, but not the worst.

delightful one spacious single bedroomed studio flat:
No it just is not, anything but only the desperate would live here. And that's the problem the desperate are forced to live in this kind of shyte.
Fantastic Value![/I]
No, it is an extortiant rent asked by a greedy landlord.

First Deposit will Take !!!!!!!!! Then why has your property been avail for 35 days and no reduction in your exthortionist price?
Living room cum bedroom Indeed
Charming studio apartment to let in this quiet and secluded area.
nasty bedsit in the heart of scumbagville you mean are delighted to present a selection of modern flats in this large house yeah we put in a couple of microwaves

Opportunity to rent a compact studio apt chance to live in a rabbit hutch
Lovely one bedroomed flat no its not studio in excellent location Bedsit in dodgy area

[I]**Suitable For 1 Person Only**
**Fantastic Location** This is a very nice 1st floor studio apartment located in the very desirable area of Fantastic studio flat to let in this fine house located on..[/I]Nasty bedsit with single bed for the forever alone meme.....
...

Man whatever drugs you're on would you please give me some?

mikemac

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Cheers for that! (We got 70 a MONTH between the two of us btw)

Sorry I typed €930 a week, typo on my part
I meant €930 a month

I'd advise anyone to go see their local Citizens Information Bureau. I understand staff in the dole office may seem ignorant at time, no excuse.
But the staff in citizens information are paid to help Irish citizens. Hell google it and you'll get a helpline you can call too. If the dole office is giving you grief they will call on your behalf and have extra clout, they did it for me!

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Cheers for that! (We got 70 a MONTH between the two of us btw)

€70 a month? Wtf? Well every case if different but look at the website and kick ass if neccesary

LighterGuy

feelingstressed wrote: »

Not realy a typical example

Let's take a look at Dublin where most of boards posters are

I love the citizens information site, it's so helpful. This site and the Citizens Information Bureau are one of the best resources the average citizen have. Most towns in Ireland have an office, call in and the staff are great.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/supplementary_welfare_schemes/rent_supplement.html#l62fd2

Couple in shared accommodation would get €400 so a room share.
Up to €800 for a flat and that with no children. A couple or single parent with one child gets up to €930 a month
Now you got €70 a week for you are your partner but that's a fraction of the rate going.

And yes, if you're a worker and single and looking for a flat/bedsit or room in a houseshare you're competing against those on welfare
If you are a single parent working a ****ty low paid job, a single parent on welfare and rent paid and other benefits will be better off. This is the welfare trap.

interesting post man.
Just out of curiousty. What percentage of someones rent of the SW gets paid?
I was always under the impression that rent allowance only covers rougly 50% of the total amount of weekly rent? (then again, i heard that from a single guy on rent allowance. so i dont know)

Logical Fallacy

feelingstressed wrote: »

€70 a month? Wtf? Well every case if different but look at the website and kick ass if neccesary

Ah we are good at the moment, this would have been about a year ago maybe.

mufcboy1999

i agree with the OP.

i had some hassle getting rent allowence, they turned me down first and i had to appeal i was waiting 3 months. i recently moved out to me uncles to allow me to save he's doing me a huge favor im getting the room rent free which is great because im on the dole, he is never really there so he doesn't mind me sharing the place.

but he is moving to limrick soon because of work so il have to get a place again and apply for rent allowence i expect il get inturigated again no doubth, they really do make you feel like sh*t.

as far as the flats, its a joke most of the flats for the max rent allowence a month are a joke i wouldnt let me dog live in some of them especially for the money they want.

but look thats ireland for you, nothings cheap here rip off republic.

mikemac

I'm glad to hear it, €70 a month is a mere fraction of the rate.

Yeah I bash the Irish goverment as well as anyone else
But the Citizens Information Bureau is a good service

Top website: www.citizensinformation.ie
Good helpline

Lo-Call 1890 777 121, Monday to Friday, 9am - 9pm

Centres around Ireland: http://centres.citizensinformation.ie/

Don't bitch about the State.......no make use of it and make the State work for you

Mushy

feelingstressed wrote: »

I'm glad to hear it, €70 a month is a mere fraction of the rate.

Yeah I bash the Irish goverment as well as anyone else
But the Citizens Information Bureau is a good service

Top website: www.citizensinformation.ie
Good helpline
Centres around Ireland: http://centres.citizensinformation.ie/

Don't bitch about the State.......no make use of it and make the State work for you

Thanks for posting these links. Is rent allowance based on income yeah? I might try and see if I can get it.

Biggins

A lot of the time landlords don't accept rent allowance is because that would mean an additional paper trail and that would mean records kept by a government department that could be traced back to them.
...In other words they prefer cash in hand in some cases as to keep the taxman from finding out about an additional source of income that they are not declaring.

You would have thought that they would accept rent allowance a lot more (as it is more a sure way of knowing the rent is going to be covered at each payment due period) but they rejecting it indicates that they might be indeed wishing to also stay off the radar of the revenue commissioners.

Mushy

Biggins wrote: »

A lot of the time landlords don't accept rent allowance is because that would mean an additional paper trail and that would mean records kept by a government department that could be traced back to them.
...In other words they prefer cash in hand in some cases as to keep the taxman from finding out about an additional source of income that they are not declaring.

You would have thought that they would accept rent allowance a lot more (as it is more a sure way of knowing the rent is going to be covered at each payment due period) but they rejecting it indicates that they might be indeed wishing to also stay off the radar of the revenue commissioners.

Had a landlord like that, not registered with the relevant body, did nothing when told him about problems, absolute cretin of a human being. For some reason we never got around to reporting him, although since threatening him he has put multiple properties onto the registered list.

Cannot see why they would refuse rent allowance in the first place.

HoPpiE

Biggins wrote: »

A lot of the time landlords don't accept rent allowance is because that would mean an additional paper trail and that would mean records kept by a government department that could be traced back to them.
...In other words they prefer cash in hand in some cases as to keep the taxman from finding out about an additional source of income that they are not declaring.

You would have thought that they would accept rent allowance a lot more (as it is more a sure way of knowing the rent is going to be covered at each payment due period) but they rejecting it indicates that they might be indeed wishing to also stay off the radar of the revenue commissioners.

Just so you know, your landlord does not have to registered for you to avail of rent allowance.

Biggins

HoPpiE wrote: »

Just so you know, your landlord does not have to registered for you to avail of rent allowance.

True, in exceptional cases the Board will still make payments - however they have to confirm where your living and come out to the premises while your there, sometimes a few times and unannounced, to make sure a 'fast one' is not being pulled upon them.
The boards know that some landlords are indeed refusing rent allowance (and probably suspect why) and try to cope with that situation for the sake of those looking for a place to reside.

HoPpiE

They confirmed that I am living where I am by me providing documentation.

I was told they'd pay me a visit prior to being accepted but that never happened and I haven't had a visit from the 8 months on.

Biggins

HoPpiE wrote: »

They confirmed that I am living where I am by me providing documentation.

I was told they'd pay me a visit prior to being accepted but that never happened and I haven't had a visit from the 8 months on.

Don't be surprised if they do turn up some day. They also watch from a distance a small select few which they suspect might be trying to con them.

They know a lot of the time (from experiences of other tenants possibly having resided in the same place as you beforehand) of genuine landlords that won't accept the supplement.
When a new landlord name springs up, they are more cautious and check out the situation more.

3DataModem

So many sh1tty landlords giving the word a bad name.

Can someone set up www.ratemylandlord.ie so tenants can share stories about specific properties? And tenants can check in advance?

It is tough to make money landlording at the moment, but demand falling should drop prices and increase competitiveness. Some of these retards think "put in basic furnishing and wait 2-4 weeks for rent to start rolling in."

HoPpiE

Biggins wrote: »

Don't be surprised if they do turn up some day. They also watch from a distance a small select few which they suspect might be trying to con them.

They know a lot of the time (from experiences of other tenants possibly having resided in the same place as you beforehand) of genuine landlords that won't accept the supplement.
When a new landlord name springs up, they are more cautious and check out the situation more.

I don't doubt they wouldn't, but I've just given my months notice to my landlord.

Anyway, I gave them the correct information to begin with.

Biggins

HoPpiE wrote: »

I don't doubt they wouldn't, but I've just given my months notice to my landlord.
Anyway, I gave them the correct information to begin with.

Hope you land somewhere nice.

HoPpiE

So do I, but the outlook so far ain't looking too good with my student budget!

BostonB

Biggins wrote: »

A lot of the time landlords don't accept rent allowance is because that would mean an additional paper trail and that would mean records kept by a government department that could be traced back to them.
...In other words they prefer cash in hand in some cases as to keep the taxman from finding out about an additional source of income that they are not declaring.

You would have thought that they would accept rent allowance a lot more (as it is more a sure way of knowing the rent is going to be covered at each payment due period) but they rejecting it indicates that they might be indeed wishing to also stay off the radar of the revenue commissioners.

RA doesn't not mean getting rent is a sure thing. In many cases its not paid direct to the LL, so a tenant can hold on to it while claiming its delayed, and then do a runner a 3 or 4 months time.

So while I have no doubt tax evasion may be one reason for it, there are also LL who pay tax but who will still not take RA because its puts the LL at a disadvantage. If it works out fine. But it can be abused.

BostonB

3DataModem wrote: »

So many sh1tty landlords giving the word a bad name.

Can someone set up www.ratemylandlord.ie so tenants can share stories about specific properties? And tenants can check in advance?

It is tough to make money landlording at the moment, but demand falling should drop prices and increase competitiveness. Some of these retards think "put in basic furnishing and wait 2-4 weeks for rent to start rolling in."

There should be an excess of cheap places to rent, so I dunno why people can only find expensive dives.

shuyin1

If landlords openly advertise "no RA", wouldn't that be a good starting point for revenue to investigate. Most likely theyre not reg with the prtb so dont want to get caught.

stateofflux

Dudess wrote: »

I'd have thought landlords had no choice but to lower rents at the moment though?

it depends where i think... there is still more demand than supply in some areas around dublin because of huge student numbers looking for accomodation , rathmines / rathgar / hc etc..thats why any place i viewed there had'nt been renovated or touched in over 50 years with very unhealthy dampness / mould ....and it allows a lot of greedy landlords to do what they want....

Biggins

BostonB wrote: »

RA doesn't not mean getting rent is a sure thing. In many cases its not paid direct to the LL, so a tenant can hold on to it while claiming its delayed, and then do a runner a 3 or 4 months time.

So while I have no doubt tax evasion may be one reason for it, there are also LL who pay tax but who will still not take RA because its puts the LL at a disadvantage. If it works out fine. But it can be abused.

I agree, I just mentioned one reason. There are obvious others (and maybe not so obvious).

Eric Cartman

most landlords dont like rent allowance as it means they have to declare the rental income,

that said , while your thread is complaining , If i owned a house to rent out I wouldnt want a lot of people on RA in it, id take it on a case by case basis but id still include that in the ad

Jesus Wept

Eric Cartman wrote: »

most landlords dont like rent allowance as it means they have to declare the rental income,

that said , while your thread is complaining , If i owned a house to rent out I wouldnt want a lot of people on RA in it, id take it on a case by case basis but id still include that in the ad

You aren't really taking it on a case by case basis if you include 'no rent allowance' in the ad as you are telling people on rent allowance not to apply.

Retrovertigo

OP, I can tell you from experience that it's a renters market and has been for a few years, rents have also been considerably dropped in most areas. While possible for some, not all landlords refuse rent allowance because they are not registered with the PTRB.