ERU, have they regained confidence?

cronin_j wrote: »

I personally know two people who have been shot and both said the only reason why they knew they had been shot is there was blood. Your body goes into shock.

I know of a 6 year old girl who was accidently shot in the chest by a hunter and went inside the house to tell her mother she thought she got shot. Only for the blood her mother would not have believed her. The bullet lodged an inch from her heart.

Furthermore, I took a lot of interest in this case at the time as i had worked with John Carthy in Galway a while beforehand. He was shot twice in the legs, once in the lower abdomen and once in the upper abdomen. He had continued moving towards the Gards after the first 2 shots so they fired 2 more. Its a terrible tragedy, but the gards did fúck all wrong

And... a shotgun blast in the face at close range will sting quite a bit

coolhandspan wrote: »

ha ha maximus, you know nothing about firearms, a shotgun with high powered cartridges can kill a polar bear. you really do know nothing.

I'm afraid your wrong there my friend, I've Handled and fired my fair share of firearms and you can PM me for clarification it you want. What are you on about though? Have you ever seen polar bears in Ireland? The average Irish gun owner posses a single or double barreled shotgun.

The standard gauge of these weapons is 12 gauge. The small shot used is suitable only for small game hunting. This shot will not penetrate the specialist Kevlar body armour used by the ERU. In fact the only thing that will penetrate it is an armour piercing round. So what the hell are you raving about?

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

The small shot used is suitable only for small game hunting.

And the big shot?

Just because you have held or shot a gun does not make you an expert.

maglite wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic0KDrwdZt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_umTDmVTmgk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRiqtWPKlM4

Some videos to cure some ignorance

Fcuk me, surely your not attempting to use a bottle of water, a bowling ball and a rusty car door as an argument for a 12 gauge shotgun penetrating Kevlar body armour?

Just do me a favour and look up some research on Kevlar ballistic tests.

Bosco boy wrote: »

Same sort of senario happened in Gort a few years ago and they tried justice barr's way with non lethal weapon ( bean bags ) rounds, guy emerged with the gun from the house, the bean bagrpund bounced off the guy and had no effect other than put the guy who fired it into more danger. The guy ended up being shot by the ERU just like carthy but he survived. The media lost intrest in the case when everything was sucessfull

That's the case I was thinking of, thought it was Dublin. They still got criticised though.

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I'm afraid I don't play with toys, I also shave and I've got hair on my balls. Judging by the stupidity of that comment I suspect you don't. So stop projecting.



The weight of your argument impresses me greatly, stop the trolling and just give me the ballistic test evidence. Or at least attempt to make an adult like post, instead of your childish commentary.

The muppet factor seems to be kicking in big time in here, but lets get back on track. The weapon John Carty carried that day, was incapable of penetrating the body armour used by the ERU. Embarrassingly, they couldn't even deliver a debilitating/disarming limb shot to the suspect in question.

Oh FFS!

1) They would have been equiped with, at most, body armour as well as a PSAGT helmet. What about neck, arms legs face?

2) No police force does "disarming shots" . It just dosen't happen.

3) they did infact hit him in the legs, at which point he didn't stop.

4) Your previous statement of "I don't play with toys" seems strange when you sugest they should have taken a "limb shot" . I would also question your experiece with firearms in relation to that comment.

Bosco boy wrote: »

It's not possible for police to be fully protected with kevlar and despite what you think a shotgun is one of the most dangerous guns to be confronted with due to the spread of the pellets. Don't tell me you are an expert because you hold a firearm certificate, john carthy had one as well except it was taken from him by gardai as they felt he was unstable but it had to be given back after he was proven medically fit by a doctor, the rest is history. The tribunal managed to skirt over this element but made a hoo ha over fags not being given to him, by the way he shot 26 times at gardai, do you think he would have those in in the USA.

No abuse there so that's an improvement. A couple of things though, who said I hold a current firearms certificate. I said in my second post that I had handled and fired my fair share of firearms, I will elaborate via PM if you wish. Please also show me where I said I was an expert or made such a claim in my posts.

Now it also surely goes without out saying that the human body cannot be completely covered in Kevlar. But Kevlar body armour in general is designed to protect vital organs and critical areas of the body like the knee and elbow joints ect.

The ERU might have received a wound if their backs were turned and Carty shot them in the gastrocnemius (Upper calf muscle). But again focusing on the day in question, the ERU not only had Kevlar body armour but they also were using armoured shields.


The mental well being of Carty is not the issue, the ERU had created a secure, sterile zone of control. They were well protected and faced no threat from the suspects weapon. Yet they fcuked it up, maybe they should learn a lesson from the below video.

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

No abuse there so that's an improvement. A couple of things though, who said I hold a current firearms certificate. I said in my second post that I had handled and fired my fair share of firearms, I will elaborate via PM if you wish. Please also show me where I said I was an expert or made such a claim in my posts.

Now it also surely goes without out saying that the human body cannot be completely covered in Kevlar. But Kevlar body armour in general is designed to protect vital organs and critical areas of the body like the knee and elbow joints ect.

The ERU might have received a wound if their backs were turned and Carty shot them in the gastrocnemius (Upper calf muscle). But again focusing on the day in question, the ERU not only had Kevlar body armour but they also were using armoured shields.


The mental well being of Carty is not the issue, the ERU had created a secure, sterile zone of control. They were well protected and faced no threat from the suspects weapon. Yet they fcuked it up, maybe they should learn a lesson from the below video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff4XuPtAOUk

Was there not widespread condemnation following that incident from security and police forces? That it was such an unlikely opportunistic shot that it would be hard/impossible to ever repeat in other situations but would still be used as the textbook example by the media/public of how to handle such a situation.

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Now it also surely goes without out saying that the human body cannot be completely covered in Kevlar. But Kevlar body armour in general is designed to protect vital organs and critical areas of the body like the knee and elbow joints ect.

The ERU might have received a wound if their backs were turned and Carty shot them in the gastrocnemius (Upper calf muscle). But again focusing on the day in question, the ERU not only had Kevlar body armour but they also were using armoured shields.

They were well protected and faced no threat from the suspects weapon.

So full of fail.

Kevlar does't protect the knees and elbows, UNLESS YOUR GOING TO POST A PICTURE OF A BOMB SUIT.

Have a look at what they are wearing. I still did't hear back from my offer to shoot at you?