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The Leinster Way of Rugby

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  • #62
    John_Rambo
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    Double post, apologies.


  • #63
    John_Rambo
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    they are a different breed to the Blackrock/Gonzaga/what have you lads.

    They are all rugby players Monty, brothers, uncles, sons, friends etc.. they happen to get on very well with each other too despite being what you bizarrely describe as "different breeds" please stop turning this in to a Leinster Munster thing, you are doing exactly what I said people do behind their keyboards earlier on in the thread.

    The article is about Leinsters marketing. I just pointed out that Munster have an more powerful marketing machine. Probably the best in Europe.


    ..."what have you lads"... what the hell does that mean?


  • #64
    roycon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭roycon


    wixfjord wrote: »
    Definitely some element of truth to it though lads. I'm from Wexford, and rugby is still seen in many quarters as a game that posh people and Protestants play. You only have to look at names on the first teams to decipher this.

    However, this is changing dramatically in the last 10-15 years, particularly in the younger ranks, and rugby has taken over as the Winter sport for many who see soccer as an awfully boring and terribly dour game, and it's great to see. The more Sean O Briens that come through the better. However, I would say that there could be much more done in schools around the province too.


    what names? on the first team theres no one protestant in the entire leinster squad as far as i know except for mckinley


  • #65
    Blut2
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Well I must be pretty dumb, because I never got that message at all. I got a more 'rugby is for everyone' vibe. And bear in mind the people in the team that you might characterise as 'upper class' include ROG, Strings, POC, MOD, TOL and various others. Not exactly Lord Snooty types, are they? And that's what most of the products of the CBC and PBC are like - they are a different breed to the Blackrock/Gonzaga/what have you lads.

    How is ROG a different breed to BOD, for example? I'd hardly say either is a "Lord Snooty type" but both are definitely middle class, theyre just from different (middle class) parts of the country and their accents reflect this.

    I heard someone with a heavy working class Dublin accent on one of the Dublin radio stations the other day talking about being a big Leinster fan and it really surprised me. Would never have imagined hearing an accent like that at a Leinster game 5 or 10 years ago. Kudos to the Leinster team's growth strategies is all I can say, theyre really doing well expanding the brand/support for the team into areas outside of the DART line.


  • #66
    John_Rambo
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    roycon wrote: »
    what names? on the first team theres no one protestant in the entire leinster squad as far as i know except for mckinley

    Hi Roycon, I'm pretty sure Wixfjord meant the game is perceived as a posh, protestants game in certain parts of where he lives, he wasn't stating it was! :)


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  • #67
    jolley123
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    they are a different breed to the Blackrock/Gonzaga/what have you lads.

    Ugh, don't you just hate those guys.Those damn Brian O'Driscolls, Luke Fitzgeralds, Leo Cullens, Kevin McLaughlins, Dominic Ryans etc. WHat a horrible breed of Lord Snootys!:rolleyes:


  • #68
    roycon
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    hi rambo
    he said
    'You only have to look at names on the first teams to decipher this'
    does he mean fitzgerald and darcy


  • #69
    John_Rambo
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    roycon wrote: »
    hi rambo
    he said
    'You only have to look at names on the first teams to decipher this'
    does he mean fitzgerald and darcy

    Fairnough!


  • #70
    Monty Burnz
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    They are all rugby players Monty, brothers, uncles, sons, friends etc.. they happen to get on very well with each other too despite being what you bizarrely describe as "different breeds" please stop turning this in to a Leinster Munster thing, you are doing exactly what I said people do behind their keyboards earlier on in the thread.
    There has been an assertion on this thread that Munster marketing has created a myth that Munster rugby is an everyman's game. It is not a myth. That is all.
    John_Rambo wrote: »
    ..."what have you lads"... what the hell does that mean?
    'What have you' is a commonly used informal term for 'et cetera'.


  • #71
    Monty Burnz
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    Blut2 wrote: »
    How is ROG a different breed to BOD, for example?
    I'm not stating that they are different types of people in reality: I am trying to simplify things to the level that someone who has not lived in diffferent parts of Ireland can understand. Someone who expects a middle-class person to sound like a product of certain Dublin private schools may hear one of the aforementioned Munster players and think that he is not 'middle class' (although I'm not really comfortable with labelling people like that). And they might then leap to the foolish conclusion that Munster are pushing forward a 'working class' image of the game in Munster, rather than the all-inclusive image they in fact rely on.


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  • #72
    John_Rambo
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    There has been an assertion on this thread that Munster marketing has created a myth that Munster rugby is an everyman's game. It is not a myth. That is all

    If Munsters image is that of an everymans team, what do you mean by Munster players being a different breed to that of lads that went to certain schools? Surely Paul O'Connel and Brian O'Driscol are comtemporaries, both young Irish, well educated, professional rugby players from middle class backgrounds. What do you consider a Lord Snooty? Is this down to people accents?

    Edit... you answered my question... It's down to accents then.


  • #73
    Monty Burnz
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Edit... you answered my question... It's down to accents then.
    It's down to certain people hearing a middle-class Cork accent and not understanding that it is middle-class. That's all.


  • #74
    Landry Uptight Nose
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Well I must be pretty dumb, because I never got that message at all. I got a more 'rugby is for everyone' vibe. And bear in mind the people in the team that you might characterise as 'upper class' include ROG, Strings, POC, MOD, TOL and various others. Not exactly Lord Snooty types, are they? And that's what most of the products of the CBC and PBC are like - they are a different breed to the Blackrock/Gonzaga/what have you lads.

    Can I interject before this goes off on a mad tangent?

    I think that these type of comparisons are never valid, simply because every sport has this exact same "problem". Guys who play Hurling for Dublin are a "different breed" to the lads who play Hurling for Tipperary. Guys who play Gaelic Football for Kerry are a "different breed" from those who play for Tyrone.

    Imagine that, the place you come from affects you in your development as a person. You can't take that away from a game, its life.

    What Leinster have aimed to do over the course of the past few years and are continuing to do so is to widen the net, get the game spreading right out to the boundaries of the province, but it's not a quick fix, it will take 10 years minimum imo to see the distribution of players even out across the province. Obviously the fact that Dublin is a massive city in the province means that statistically, there will be far more representatives from Dublin than from anywhere else, but the main thing that Leinster Rugby have been pushing is that there are no barriers for anyone to encounter to play for them.

    I've been to Leinster underage games where there were 3 lads doing lift shares from Wexford to get to the 5 training sessions each week. The team trained out in Greystones once they noticed this, to try to "share the burden" of the commute.

    It's little things like this that add up though, Leinster will never lose the "D4" brigade, much in the same way that Ireland will never lose the "Drunken Irishman" tag, but what they're doing is to create a far more encompassing atmosphere and club, and that's to be applauded.


  • #75
    Monty Burnz
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can I interject before this goes off on a mad tangent?
    Too late. The distinction I was making has already been clarified. :)


  • #76
    John_Rambo
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Too late. The distinction I was making has already been clarified. :)

    Yep! Clear as crystal.

    Leinster supporters and players are not all from D4.

    Munster supporters and players are not all working class men from Limerick.


  • #77
    durkadurka
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    It helps when most of the counties of Leinster are represented on the team too.

    Longford, leitrem, offaly Westmeath and Kilkenny are not represented as far as i can think although someone will come on and correct me no doubt.


  • #78
    Podge_irl
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's little things like this that add up though, Leinster will never lose the "D4" brigade, much in the same way that Ireland will never lose the "Drunken Irishman" tag, but what they're doing is to create a far more encompassing atmosphere and club, and that's to be applauded.

    I think it's important to point out that they shouldn't lose it either. The D4 brigade are supporters just like anyone else. Leinster have managed to expand their support in an inclusive way, not be denigrating what was their base support for a long time.


  • #79
    roycon
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    this thread is a joke and has nothing to do with the article.


  • #80
    irishbucsfan
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    Donnielighto wrote: »
    How do you see it as being pretentious? Promotion is grand as long as it doesn't come with arrogance.

    Because the "Leinster Way" of actually playing rugby (the important stuff) has been hugely shaped by Michael Cheika, Johnno Gibbes, Kurt McQuilkan and Joe Schmidt. What part of Leinster are they from?

    I have no problem with promotion at all. I just don't like the term "Leinster Way" just as I didn't like whole "Greatest Fans in the World" thing Munster tried out (which made them look a bit soft when Munster fans all started walking out on their team every time Leinster thrashed them! :P ).


  • #81
    Monty Burnz
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    roycon wrote: »
    this thread is a joke and has nothing to do with the article.
    Good contribution.


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  • #82
    jolley123
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    the urban myth that they managed to generate that rugby is a working mans game in Munster
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    There has been an assertion on this thread that Munster marketing has created a myth that Munster rugby is an everyman's game. It is not a myth. That is all.

    Foxtrol never mentioned rugby in Munster being an everyman's game as a myth. He stated that rugby in Munster being a working-class game is a myth.

    So in essence, the two of you are in agreement. Which makes this whole thing even more laughable.


  • #83
    Podge_irl
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    durkadurka wrote: »
    It helps when most of the counties of Leinster are represented on the team too.

    There's 12 counties though and well over half the population is from Dublin and it's environs. It would be nice but not very realistic.


  • #84
    wixfjord
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    roycon wrote: »
    what names? on the first team theres no one protestant in the entire leinster squad as far as i know except for mckinley

    The names on teams down here I meant.


  • #85
    Landry Uptight Nose
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Because the "Leinster Way" of actually playing rugby (the important stuff) has been hugely shaped by Michael Cheika, Johnno Gibbes, Kurt McQuilkan and Joe Schmidt. What part of Leinster are they from?

    I have no problem with promotion at all. I just don't like the term "Leinster Way" just as I didn't like whole "Greatest Fans in the World" thing Munster tried out (which made them look a bit soft when Munster fans all started walking out on their team every time Leinster thrashed them! :P ).

    Ah yeah, but "The Leinster Way" is just Thornley using some Poetic License and waffleolgy to sauce up a fairly decent summary of the "behind the scenes" of Leinster Rugby "LTD".

    So long as it doesn't catch on, I wouldn't worry about it. I don't like it either though tbh.


  • #86
    John_Rambo
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    roycon wrote: »
    this thread is a joke and has nothing to do with the article.

    It does, and if it didn't, so what? It's an interesting debate about the two big rivals that hasn't turned in to a total bitchfest.


  • #87
    John_Rambo
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah yeah, but "The Leinster Way" is just Thornley using some Poetic License and waffleolgy to sauce up a fairly decent summary of the "behind the scenes" of Leinster Rugby "LTD".

    That's exactly what I meant to say all along. :)


  • #88
    Monty Burnz
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    jolley123 wrote: »
    Foxtrol never mentioned rugby in Munster being an everyman's game as a myth. He stated that rugby in Munster being a working-class game is a myth.

    So in essence, the two of you are in agreement. Which makes this whole thing even more laughable.
    Well, no. In the statement you quote, I should have said 'working-man'. And what we are arguing about is whether this was a myth created by Munster's marketing department.


  • #89
    Monty Burnz
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    It does, and if it didn't, so what? It's an interesting debate about the two big rivals that hasn't turned in to a total bitchfest.
    Give it a minute :)


  • #90
    roycon
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    monty you decided to bring in class and school. this is a rugby thread not sociology


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  • #91
    Monty Burnz
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    roycon wrote: »
    monty you decided to bring in class and school. this is a rugby thread not sociology
    Um, I think you'll find I was replying to a post....ah never mind, read the thread again, you might figure it out.


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