John Waters Today On Osama

flyswatter wrote: »

It's very strong in America and developed countries like Germany who just foiled an attempt to blow up the Eurovision!

Not foiled yet. Jedward are a sleeper cell ready to unleash their act of terrorism.

flyswatter wrote: »

American politics, very complicated.

I agree with the Guantanomo thing.

He did a superb job with Osama, didn't announce it even with all the cable leaks. Kept it quiet and did the best thing, killed him dead. That's the reason for all the uprisings in Africa I believe.

What???

uprisings in Africa are happening because the citizens of them countries are sick of being run by dictators the US government prop up!

starbelgrade wrote: »

Osama has played this card very well.

If George Bush had ordered Bin Laden's execution, there would have been uproar about it, but as it was done by Obama, there seems to be a consensus that he "did the right thing" & he's a "good guy".

It's the whole political scenario of - if you're country is not behind you, then go to war & drum up a national sense of togetherness that has worked so well throughout the ages. The "us against them" mentality that seems to unite people during "war times".

Obama has been seen as pretty much a failure up till now by most Americans. The last thing he could have done however, was go to war as there is no appetite for it in the US. But this killing, was a masterstroke. The country is right behind him again & he's even making speeches about how he's now "speaking for the world when I say - a job, well done".

Well, it was - as a political piece of manouvering - a job extremely well done.

It just saddens me to see yet another world leader - especially after the Afghanistan invasion - having a total & utter disregard for any form of protocol for international law & human rights.

I'm not surprised, not even shocked, just dissapointed.

HUMAN RIGHTS? The bastard got what he deserved. **** him.

A Disgrace wrote: »

Try 'Dublin Rape', 'Belfast Carbomb' or 'London Riot Mob' and you'll get something unsavoury too.. But I presume from your post that you've lived there and can comment what life there is really like (unless it's all based on Fox/Sky/Whatever News reports) which, whilst exciting and full of pro-American hyperbole, is about as informed as a Michael Bay movie. When I was young, the middle east and the far east was a great, interesting place full of wonder and difference. Now, thanks to US foreign policy it's a threat, a violent backwater full of sandy nowhere's with lawless runabouts controlling everything and making life difficult for the west.. so blame who you will, and watch it on whatever news network you fancy, but don't, and I mean don't, pass judgement on what they do over there before examining what we do over here.. remember, we had Michael Collins, the man credited with inventing 'Guerilla Terrorism' and he is a hero to us.. One mans terrorist, is another mans freedom fighter etc.. peace.

I'm sure you have a point in there somewhere..

RonMexico wrote: »

HUMAN RIGHTS? The bastard got what he deserved. **** him.

Reminds me of the film Dirty Harry. All the people who think bin laden was unfairly killed probably watch Dirty Harry and give out because Harry unfairly treated Scorpio.
And as harry said "Well, I'm all broken up over that man's rights"

Jezzabelle wrote: »

Ah get off the stage you will ya. Well done on the copy and paste from google.

What did you expect me to do - rewrite the entire Declaration?

The Declaration is - or at least was - an important document. A statement of intent. It was devised after World War 2 when the true atrocities which the Nazis had carried out during the war became apparent. I was meant to afford basic human rights to all individuals regardless of colour, creed or religion. It was seen as a fundamental agreement between the member states who signed up to it - one of them being the United States.

However, since then, it has been continuously been ignored by the US - the worst offenders being George Bush's government. When Obama came to power, it seemed that he was reverting to the basic principles of the Declaration, by closing Guantanemo Bay, but this assassination - essentially a murder without trial - shows that he has no interest or regard for the Declaration, or for human rights themselves.

And in that sense, what Obama has achieved in this killing, has been to elevate the death of a man who we are all most likely better off without, to a political & moral scenario where there is a real need for mourning - not at the death itself, or the loss of life, but for the death & loss of some of the very basic & fundamental principles of the Declaration of Human Rights.

And for this, there can be no excuses, arguments or reasonings to defend it. What Obama did, was quite simply wrong, in every sense of the word.