John Waters Today On Osama

flyswatter

Did I see today on the front cover that he said something like "Osama being killed won't solve anything?"

Eh, it will you knob!

Won't stop terrorism fully but the world is a safer place no doubt.

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Did anyone read the article?

Oranage2

flyswatter wrote: »

Did I see today on the front cover that he said something like "Osama being killed won't solve anything?"

Eh, it will you knob!

Won't stop terrorism fully but the world is a safer place no doubt.

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Did anyone read the article?

How's the world a safer place - the stupidity of the human race scares me more than terrorism

Johro

flyswatter wrote: »

Did I see today on the front cover that he said something like "Osama being killed won't solve anything?"

Eh, it will you knob!

Won't stop terrorism fully but the world is a safer place no doubt.

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Did anyone read the article?

No. You can't make me.

flyswatter

Oranage2 wrote: »

How's the world a safe place - the stupidity of the human race scares me more than terrorism

Safer.

And yeah about the stupidity thing:

Two words. Fox News.

Also anyone think his songwriting skills are up to much?

TowerIRL

But what about Al-queada saying that America has put a curse on themselves by killing their leader and that they will seek revenge?
They may have taken down the leader but you can be sure there's another brain-washed turban head only dying to take his place, power and everything he was!

JupiterKid

flyswatter wrote: »

Did I see today on the front cover that he said something like "Osama being killed won't solve anything?"

Eh, it will you knob!

Won't stop terrorism fully but the world is a safer place no doubt.

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Did anyone read the article?

Liberal? John Waters?:rolleyes: He's about as liberal as Norman Tebbit or the Pope. Reactionary, grouchy old dinosaur would be a more apt description of Waters - he might have been liberal back in 1974 but he hasn't moved on since.:pac:

John Watters is an eejit. Osama's passing has not solved the world's problems but it has made the world just a tiny bit better, but better nonetheless.

Basq

Why were they asking the director of Hairspray about Osama Bin Laden?

bobmalooka

flyswatter wrote: »

Did I see today on the front cover that he said something like "Osama being killed won't solve anything?"

Eh, it will you knob!

Won't stop terrorism fully but the world is a safer place no doubt.

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Did anyone read the article?

The guy is no a martyr to his supporters and will do everything in their power to avenge him(i presume)

While he is a dirty bstard, I dont see how his death has actually improved the world.

Unfortunately there was never going to be a truely satisfying outcome to the hunt for Osama and I dont think anyone knows what the best course of action was, but go ahead and blame those smelly tree hugging Liberals for thinking terrorism is not the answer to terrorism

Paparazzo

John "last place in the eurovision" waters. A Kevin myres wannabe, which is possibly the most pathetic thing in the world.
Why do people care about his opinion? I'd value Billie Pipers opinion on the bin laden killing more. Seriously!

uncleoswald

flyswatter wrote: »

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Until you said this bit I presumed you meant this guy
http://www.finfacts.ie/img/Waters.jpg

But I must have been confused and you really meant this guy
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/files/2009/12/john_waters.jpg


EDIT: Damn beaten to it...

Fago!

I misread that as "Obama being killed won't solve anything" then you saying "ehh of course it will, Won't stop terrorism fully but the world is a safer place no doubt" I was thinking "Jesus, this guys a racist bastard!"

Heisenberg.

This post has been deleted.

D1stant

Please address him by is full name

John plonker wannabe prentnetious pretender has-been dumbass opinionated ghoul super charismatic tone deaf mucker from the dark side of a mullingar alley expert on all things human Waters

Thats if I have the right guy

orourkeda

flyswatter wrote: »

Did I see today on the front cover that he said something like "Osama being killed won't solve anything?"

Eh, it will you knob!

Won't stop terrorism fully but the world is a safer place no doubt.

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Did anyone read the article?

I think you've been watching too much CNN for one day

El Weirdo

flyswatter wrote: »

Did I see today on the front cover that he said something like "Osama being killed won't solve anything?"

Eh, it will you knob!

Won't stop terrorism fully but the world is a safer place no doubt.

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Did anyone read the article?

Front cover of what?

johngalway

Reckon a lot of people lamenting the passing of good ould Osama should sod off and live openly in such nice areas as Khandahar, or Peshawar for a year or two. See how liberal they are coming home with their head in a sack beside them :rolleyes:

Dudess

flyswatter wrote: »

Did I see today on the front cover that he said something like "Osama being killed won't solve anything?"

Eh, it will you knob!

Such as? Front cover of what? His album?

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Tip: learn what "liberal" means.

conscious

flyswatter wrote: »

Did I see today on the front cover that he said something like "Osama being killed won't solve anything?"

Eh, it will you knob!

Won't stop terrorism fully but the world is a safer place no doubt.

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Did anyone read the article?

Is the world a safer place??

I think it's more likely now of an al'qaeda attack then it was two weeks ago!

Dudess

Yeah, the world's a safer place "no doubt"? News to me...

starbelgrade

Osama has played this card very well.

If George Bush had ordered Bin Laden's execution, there would have been uproar about it, but as it was done by Obama, there seems to be a consensus that he "did the right thing" & he's a "good guy".

It's the whole political scenario of - if you're country is not behind you, then go to war & drum up a national sense of togetherness that has worked so well throughout the ages. The "us against them" mentality that seems to unite people during "war times".

Obama has been seen as pretty much a failure up till now by most Americans. The last thing he could have done however, was go to war as there is no appetite for it in the US. But this killing, was a masterstroke. The country is right behind him again & he's even making speeches about how he's now "speaking for the world when I say - a job, well done".

Well, it was - as a political piece of manouvering - a job extremely well done.

It just saddens me to see yet another world leader - especially after the Afghanistan invasion - having a total & utter disregard for any form of protocol for international law & human rights.

I'm not surprised, not even shocked, just dissapointed.

dvpower

johngalway wrote: »

Reckon a lot of people lamenting the passing of good ould Osama should sod off and live openly in such nice areas as Khandahar, or Peshawar for a year or two. See how liberal they are coming home with their head in a sack beside them :rolleyes:

Peshawar? Looks like a nice enough spot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshawar

conscious

starbelgrade wrote: »

Osama has played this card very well.

If George Bush had ordered Bin Laden's execution, there would have been uproar about it, but as it was done by Obama, there seems to be a consensus that he "did the right thing" & he's a "good guy".

It's the whole political scenario of - if you're country is not behind you, then go to war & drum up a national sense of togetherness that has worked so well throughout the ages. The "us against them" mentality that seems to unite people during "war times".

Obama has been seen as pretty much a failure up till now by most Americans. The last thing he could have done however, was go to war as there is no appetite for it in the US. But this killing, was a masterstroke. The country is right behind him again & he's even making speeches about how he's now "speaking for the world when I say - a job, well done".

Well, it was - as a political piece of manouvering - a job extremely well done.

It just saddens me to see yet another world leader - especially after the Afghanistan invasion - having a total & utter disregard for any form of protocol for international law & human rights.

I'm not surprised, not even shocked, just dissapointed.

I'm also not shocked by Obama's actions! What most people don't understand is that Obama is responsible for more deaths than bin laden is. But because he's commander in chief and didn't get his fingers dirty himself, people don't hold him to account!

dvpower

starbelgrade wrote: »

It just saddens me to see yet another world leader - especially after the Afghanistan invasion - having a total & utter disregard for any form of protocol for international law & human rights.

I'm not surprised, not even shocked, just dissapointed.

Funny all this attention on the killing of Bin Laden.

A US predator drone killed up to 17 people in Pakistan today and theres hardly been a word about it.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/178532.html

johngalway

dvpower wrote: »

Peshawar? Looks like a nice enough spot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshawar

Send us a postcard then

Before you go, re-do your Google search using the terms "Peshawar taliban" and Peshawar Al qaeda", but "Peshawar bomb blast pictures" is a particularly good one, for the local sights in flames...

ascanbe

Basq wrote: »

Why were they asking the director of Hairspray about Osama Bin Laden?

Zzzzap!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1b6ko1I00A

dvpower

johngalway wrote: »

Send us a postcard then

Before you go, re-do your Google search using the terms "Peshawar taliban" and Peshawar Al qaeda", but "Peshawar bomb blast pictures" is a particularly good one, for the local sights in flames...

None of that stuff was in my guide book.:mad:

flyswatter

conscious wrote: »

I'm also not shocked by Obama's actions! What most people don't understand is that Obama is responsible for more deaths than bin laden is. But because he's commander in chief and didn't get his fingers dirty himself, people don't hold him to account!

Are you taking the piss mate?

Obama is the best American president in years. Better than Clinton who people still remember fondly.

So Obama is responsible for more deaths than Osama, who was a religious jihadist nut and was the main man behind countless terrorist attacks?

:eek:

ascanbe

Read that John Waters piece today. Thought it was good. Didn't agree with all of it, but thought it displayed a degree of nuance and thought that very few in the mainstream media have approached this subject with and is actually rare for Waters these days. I think he has an impressive intellect and is a very good writer but he tends to let emotionalism/ an instinctive rejection of the very idea of rationality cloud much of what he writes these days. This was somewhat of an exception.

Edit: he dismissed the idea of there being a rational explanation for what is happening but he did so in a rational way.

flyswatter

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah, the world's a safer place "no doubt"? News to me...

It's a huge blow to terrorism in the middle east.

There will be retaliations for sure.

I think though that you misunderstand the strength of counter-terrorism these days.

It's very strong in America and developed countries like Germany who just foiled an attempt to blow up the Eurovision!

flyswatter

johngalway wrote: »

Reckon a lot of people lamenting the passing of good ould Osama should sod off and live openly in such nice areas as Khandahar, or Peshawar for a year or two. See how liberal they are coming home with their head in a sack beside them :rolleyes:

I don't think many will be planning trips there soon.

conscious

flyswatter wrote: »

Are you taking the piss mate?

Obama is the best American president in years. Better than Clinton who people still remember fondly.

So Obama is responsible for more deaths than Osama, who was a religious jihadist nut and was the main man behind countless terrorist attacks?

:eek:

As long as Obama continues america's disgusting foreign policy in policing the world, he has to be held accountable for every death caused by US troops in the countries they occupy! Also, he should be held responsible for every bullet that comes from a weapon america sells to oppressive regimes in the middle east!

dvpower

flyswatter wrote: »

It's very strong in America and developed countries like Germany who just foiled an attempt to blow up the Eurovision!

Not foiled yet. Jedward are a sleeper cell ready to unleash their act of terrorism.

Oranage2

flyswatter wrote: »

Are you taking the piss mate?

Obama is the best American president in years. Better than Clinton who people still remember fondly.

So Obama is responsible for more deaths than Osama, who was a religious jihadist nut and was the main man behind countless terrorist attacks?

:eek:

Questionable!

He said he'd close Guatonomo bay - he didnt

He said he'd end the recession - Last year he took out a 600billion loan http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/08/AR2010110806587.html

He said he'd pull troops out of Iraq and afganistan - He sent more troops over - http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2009/12/01/obama-afghanistan001.html

Obama said he was born in USA - Mission accomplished

ascanbe

D1stant wrote: »

Please address him by is full name

John plonker wannabe prentnetious pretender has-been dumbass opinionated ghoul super charismatic tone deaf mucker from the dark side of a mullingar alley expert on all things human Waters

Thats if I have the right guy

That's pretty damn good. I'd say he'd even like it. :pac:

flyswatter

Oranage2 wrote: »

Questionable!

He said he'd close Guatonomo bay - he didnt

He said he'd end the recession - Last year he took out a 600billion loan http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/08/AR2010110806587.html

He said he'd pull troops out of Iraq and afganistan - He sent more troops over - http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2009/12/01/obama-afghanistan001.html

Obama said he was born in USA - Mission accomplished

American politics, very complicated.

I agree with the Guantanomo thing.

He did a superb job with Osama, didn't announce it even with all the cable leaks. Kept it quiet and did the best thing, killed him dead. That's the reason for all the uprisings in Africa I believe.

conscious

flyswatter wrote: »

American politics, very complicated.

I agree with the Guantanomo thing.

He did a superb job with Osama, didn't announce it even with all the cable leaks. Kept it quiet and did the best thing, killed him dead. That's the reason for all the uprisings in Africa I believe.

What???

uprisings in Africa are happening because the citizens of them countries are sick of being run by dictators the US government prop up!

flyswatter

conscious wrote: »

What???

uprisings in Africa are happening because the citizens of them countries are sick of being run by dictators the US government prop up!

True but the leaks didn't help that!

ascanbe

johngalway wrote: »

Reckon a lot of people lamenting the passing of good ould Osama should sod off and live openly in such nice areas as Khandahar, or Peshawar for a year or two. See how liberal they are coming home with their head in a sack beside them :rolleyes:

I'd say you're missing the point spectacularly. Haven't seen anyone lamenting the passing of good ould Osama; those who are lamenting the manner in which he was 'dispatched', if it was a simple case of execution when he could've been apprehended/arrested, are, in fact, lamenting America's failure to act in a manner befitting the role and ideology that it purports to stand for.
Purposeful execution without trial would seem to fly in the face of what America is supposed to stand for and is more in line with the thinking of people like Bin Laden.
The extreme/unchecked violence you refer to is a feature of lawless states; this points out exactly why a state that is supposed to stand against this, and for law and civilization, should not act in a manner that could be in any way construed as mirroring such states.

johngalway

ascanbe wrote: »

I'd say you're missing the point spectacularly. Haven't seen anyone lamenting the passing of good ould Osama; those who are lamenting the manner in which he was 'dispatched', if it was a simple case of execution when he could've been apprehended/arrested, are, in fact, lamenting America's failure to act in a manner befitting the role and ideology that it purports to stand for.
Purposeful execution without trial would seem to fly in the face of what America is supposed to stand for and is more in line with the thinking of people like Bin Laden.

No, I simply don't subscribe to the notion that he had to be brought back alive. In fact I quite agree with former president George W. Bush when he said "dead or alive".

Live by the sword, die by the sword, tough titty Bin Liner. He was a terrorist, should expect no quarter when you target innocent civilians including women and children.

Ghadaffi, That maniacal dwarf in North Korea, quite a lot of the ruling classes in Iran and a host of others can go the same way and I'd only be delighted.

The world is a better place not giving Bin Laden a platform to rant ala Sadam Hussein. Three bullets are a lot cheaper than a trial for someone we know 100% to be absolutely guilty of many crimes.

They took the right and proper option shooting him on the spot. That creature lost his "human rights" a long time ago.

RonMexico

starbelgrade wrote: »

Osama has played this card very well.

If George Bush had ordered Bin Laden's execution, there would have been uproar about it, but as it was done by Obama, there seems to be a consensus that he "did the right thing" & he's a "good guy".

It's the whole political scenario of - if you're country is not behind you, then go to war & drum up a national sense of togetherness that has worked so well throughout the ages. The "us against them" mentality that seems to unite people during "war times".

Obama has been seen as pretty much a failure up till now by most Americans. The last thing he could have done however, was go to war as there is no appetite for it in the US. But this killing, was a masterstroke. The country is right behind him again & he's even making speeches about how he's now "speaking for the world when I say - a job, well done".

Well, it was - as a political piece of manouvering - a job extremely well done.

It just saddens me to see yet another world leader - especially after the Afghanistan invasion - having a total & utter disregard for any form of protocol for international law & human rights.

I'm not surprised, not even shocked, just dissapointed.

HUMAN RIGHTS? The bastard got what he deserved. **** him.

starbelgrade

RonMexico wrote: »

HUMAN RIGHTS? The bastard got what he deserved. **** him.

Article 6.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.


Article 30.

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.


(from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights)

Jezzabelle

starbelgrade wrote: »

Article 6.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.


Article 30.

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.


(from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights)

Ah get off the stage you will ya. Well done on the copy and paste from google.

ascanbe

johngalway wrote: »

No, I simply don't subscribe to the notion that he had to be brought back alive. In fact I quite agree with former president George W. Bush when he said "dead or alive".

Live by the sword, die by the sword, tough titty Bin Liner. He was a terrorist, should expect no quarter when you target innocent civilians including women and children.

Ghadaffi, That maniacal dwarf in North Korea, quite a lot of the ruling classes in Iran and a host of others can go the same way and I'd only be delighted.

The world is a better place not giving Bin Laden a platform to rant ala Sadam Hussein. Three bullets are a lot cheaper than a trial for someone we know 100% to be absolutely guilty of many crimes.

They took the right and proper option shooting him on the spot. That creature lost his "h,uman rights" a long time ago.

So, essentially you 'subscribe' to the thinking that motivates people like Bin Laden..
I don't give a **** about Bin Laden; he did, in a way, get what he deserved.
But that's not the point. America, its constitution/civilisation/role as a lawful state is supposed to stand for something more important than petty revenge; if it stoops to that it repudiates the very concept it purports to defend and the very point of its existence.
In administering summary justice in cases like this it actually only serves to undermine its reason for being/discredit it and play into the hands of the likes of Bin Laden.
Bin Laden types win, in such cases, as they drag America down to rejecting its own principles.

A Disgrace

johngalway wrote: »

Send us a postcard then

Before you go, re-do your Google search using the terms "Peshawar taliban" and Peshawar Al qaeda", but "Peshawar bomb blast pictures" is a particularly good one, for the local sights in flames...

Try 'Dublin Rape', 'Belfast Carbomb' or 'London Riot Mob' and you'll get something unsavoury too.. But I presume from your post that you've lived there and can comment what life there is really like (unless it's all based on Fox/Sky/Whatever News reports) which, whilst exciting and full of pro-American hyperbole, is about as informed as a Michael Bay movie. When I was young, the middle east and the far east was a great, interesting place full of wonder and difference. Now, thanks to US foreign policy it's a threat, a violent backwater full of sandy nowhere's with lawless runabouts controlling everything and making life difficult for the west.. so blame who you will, and watch it on whatever news network you fancy, but don't, and I mean don't, pass judgement on what they do over there before examining what we do over here.. remember, we had Michael Collins, the man credited with inventing 'Guerilla Terrorism' and he is a hero to us.. One mans terrorist, is another mans freedom fighter etc.. peace.

johngalway

ascanbe wrote: »

So, essentially you 'subscribe' to the thinking that motivates people like Bin Laden..
I don't give a **** about Bin Laden; he did, in a way, get what he deserved.
But that's not the point. America, its constitution/civilisation/role as a lawful state is supposed to stand for something more important than petty revenge; if it stoops to that it repudiates the very concept it purports to defend and the very point of its existence.
In administering summary justice in cases like this it actually only serves to undermine its reason for being/discredit it and play into the hands of the likes of Bin Laden.
Bin Laden types win, in such cases, as they drag America down to rejecting its own principles.

Again, no, and I'd appreciate it if you could do a little better than compare me to what motivated Osama Bin Laden - mass murderer.

America is in no way undermined by putting three bullets into OBL. There was no doubt to his absolute guilt. He deserved to die and was shot to death.

A valid point was made in one of the conversations about this episode. Taking OBL prisoner was an open invitation for any and all citizens of Western countries to be taken hostage and demands made to free OBL.

A "show trial" with an inevitable outcome, with that price hanging over the heads of innocent people is unacceptable.

The right option was taken.

johngalway

A Disgrace wrote: »

Try 'Dublin Rape', 'Belfast Carbomb' or 'London Riot Mob' and you'll get something unsavoury too.. But I presume from your post that you've lived there and can comment what life there is really like (unless it's all based on Fox/Sky/Whatever News reports) which, whilst exciting and full of pro-American hyperbole, is about as informed as a Michael Bay movie. When I was young, the middle east and the far east was a great, interesting place full of wonder and difference. Now, thanks to US foreign policy it's a threat, a violent backwater full of sandy nowhere's with lawless runabouts controlling everything and making life difficult for the west.. so blame who you will, and watch it on whatever news network you fancy, but don't, and I mean don't, pass judgement on what they do over there before examining what we do over here.. remember, we had Michael Collins, the man credited with inventing 'Guerilla Terrorism' and he is a hero to us.. One mans terrorist, is another mans freedom fighter etc.. peace.

I'm sure you have a point in there somewhere..

ascanbe

johngalway wrote: »

Again, no, and I'd appreciate it if you could do a little better than compare me to what motivated Osama Bin Laden - mass murderer.

America is in no way undermined by putting three bullets into OBL. There was no doubt to his absolute guilt. He deserved to die and was shot to death.

A valid point was made in one of the conversations about this episode. Taking OBL prisoner was an open invitation for any and all citizens of Western countries to be taken hostage and demands made to free OBL.

A "show trial" with an inevitable outcome, with that price hanging over the heads of in nocent people is unacceptable.

The right option was taken.

Didn't mean to imply you were of that mindset, obviously; having read my post back i realise i worded it badly. Apologies.
Was just referring to the concept of revenge.
Anyway, i see where you're coming from; i just don't agree and have made my point. Don't think either of us are open to changing our minds on this.

Paparazzo

RonMexico wrote: »

HUMAN RIGHTS? The bastard got what he deserved. **** him.

Reminds me of the film Dirty Harry. All the people who think bin laden was unfairly killed probably watch Dirty Harry and give out because Harry unfairly treated Scorpio.
And as harry said "Well, I'm all broken up over that man's rights"

beans

I wonder if they would have been able to convict him over 9/11? Is there any evidence he was involved aside from us being told he was? He never claimed responsiblity for the plane attacks.

The discussion on this whole issue will run and remain divisive but personally I'm with those who say he should have been taken alive, faced justice, which has not been served here.

starbelgrade

Jezzabelle wrote: »

Ah get off the stage you will ya. Well done on the copy and paste from google.

What did you expect me to do - rewrite the entire Declaration?

The Declaration is - or at least was - an important document. A statement of intent. It was devised after World War 2 when the true atrocities which the Nazis had carried out during the war became apparent. I was meant to afford basic human rights to all individuals regardless of colour, creed or religion. It was seen as a fundamental agreement between the member states who signed up to it - one of them being the United States.

However, since then, it has been continuously been ignored by the US - the worst offenders being George Bush's government. When Obama came to power, it seemed that he was reverting to the basic principles of the Declaration, by closing Guantanemo Bay, but this assassination - essentially a murder without trial - shows that he has no interest or regard for the Declaration, or for human rights themselves.

And in that sense, what Obama has achieved in this killing, has been to elevate the death of a man who we are all most likely better off without, to a political & moral scenario where there is a real need for mourning - not at the death itself, or the loss of life, but for the death & loss of some of the very basic & fundamental principles of the Declaration of Human Rights.

And for this, there can be no excuses, arguments or reasonings to defend it. What Obama did, was quite simply wrong, in every sense of the word.

gosuckonalemon

flyswatter wrote: »

Did I see today on the front cover that he said something like "Osama being killed won't solve anything?"

Eh, it will you knob!

Won't stop terrorism fully but the world is a safer place no doubt.

Guy is too liberal for his own good.

Did anyone read the article?

So what exactly will it stop exactly apart from driving more Muslims to extremism?

The leader of the organisation was assassinated. He will be replaced. Just as every leader is.

Why do you think anything will change?