Operation Neptune Spear - were delta involved as well

Locust wrote: »

This time its personal - ha!

OP - i haven't a clue who decides, who goes in, but DEVGRU take orders from on high... Seals were used as they have a hell of a lot more of the right capability, and DEVGRU/ST6 whatever you want to call them - the elite within the elite, this is what they were made for - Just like you a heart surgeon works on the heart, a brain surgeon a brain etc...
This Seal team were made for this type of mission. Yes Army Special Forces/Delta/Green Berets, may also have the capability... but not as sharp or equipped as DEVGRU for this one.

The Delta are the US militarys formost specialists in hostage rescue, its they who originally taught these skills in the US military and to the FBI.

Quote wiki
". Charles Beckwith, a member of the US Army Special Forces had served as an exchange officer with the British Army's Special Air Service (22 SAS Regiment). Upon his return, Beckwith presented a detailed report highlighting the U.S Army's vulnerability in not having an SAS-type unit. U.S. Army Special Forces in that period focused on unconventional warfare, but Beckwith recognized the need for, "not only teachers, but doers."[4] He envisioned highly adaptable and completely autonomous small teams with a broad array of special skills for direct action and counter-terrorist missions. He briefed military and government figures, who were overtly resistant to create a new unit outside of Special Forces, or change existing methods. Finally, in the mid-70's, as terrorism grew, Pentagon brass tapped Beckwith to form the unit.[5]

Beckwith had estimated that it would take 24 months to get his new unit mission-ready. In the meantime, the 5th Special Forces Group created Blue Light, a small counter-terrorist contingent which operated until Delta became fully operational in the early 1980s."


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This Seal team were made for this type of mission. Yes Army Special Forces/Delta/Green Berets, may also have the capability... but not as sharp or equipped as DEVGRU for this one.

......Is why DEVRU/ST6 ballsed up the recent rescue of Linda Norgrove and one did not know the difference between a frag grenade and a stun grenade ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/13/linda-norgrove-us-commando-disciplinary


The Guardian has learned that a member of US special forces who is believed to have accidentally killed Norgrove is likely to face disciplinary action after failing to inform his commanding officers that he had used a grenade until long after the event.

Sources in Kabul and London have confirmed that during the assault on the kidnappers' hideaway the hostage broke away from her captors and lay in a foetal position to avoid harm.

The soldier from the elite Seal Team Six special forces unit failed to see Norgrove and tossed his fragmentation grenade in, which exploded next to her.



....I once saw a video where an American special forces soldier did not know it was very dangerous to throw a grenade up a hill, seriously.


The Delta has the same anti terrorist capability as the Seals.

But looking at the selection and training of both, Delta training creates a more independently thinking soldier, as its based on 22 SAS.


Training

Operator Training Course: According to the book Inside the Delta Force by Eric Haney, OTC consisted of the following events. Although OTC has probably changed since then, it remains around 6 months long.

* Marksmanship
o The students shoot stationary targets at close range until they are able to have almost complete accuracy. They will then move on to moving targets.
o Once shooting skills are perfected, they will move to a shooting house where they will clear rooms of "enemy" targets. At first it will be done by one student, then two at a time, three at a time, and finally four. After the students learn techniques to clear a room, "hostages" are added to the room mixed with the enemies.

* Demolitions
o Students learn how to break into many different locks such as cars and safes.
o Demolition and how to build bombs out of various commonly found materials.

* Combined skills. The FBI, FAA, and other agencies were used to advise the training of this portion of OTC. Sometimes commercial airliners such as Delta Air Lines would allow Delta to train on their aircraft too.
o The new Delta Operators use both demolition and marksmanship skills at the shoothouse and other training facilities to train for hostage and counter-terrorist operations with both assault and sniper troops working together. They practice terrorist or hostage situations in buildings, aircraft, and other settings.
o All trainees learn how to set sniper positions around a building with hostages in it. They learn the proper ways to set up a TOC and communicate in an organized manner. Although Delta has specialized sniper teams, all members go through this training.
o The students then go back to the shoothouse and the "hostages" are replaced with other students and Delta Force members. It is known that live ammunition has been used in these exercises, to test the students, and build trust between one another.

* Trade Craft - During the first OTC's and creation of Delta, CIA personnel were used to teach this portion.
o Students learn different espionage-related skills such as dead drops, brief encounters, pickups, load and unload signals, danger and safe signals, surveillance and countersurveillance.

* Executive Protection - During the first OTC's and creation of Delta, the Department of State and the Secret Service would advise Delta in this portion of training.
o Students take an advanced driving course learning how to use a vehicle or many vehicles as defensive and offensive weapons.
o They then learn techniques developed by the Secret Service on how to cover a VIP and diplomatic protection missions.

* Culmination Exercise
o A final test that requires the students to apply and dynamically adapt all of the skills that they have learned.

Although these are the main skills taught in every OTC, no OTC classes are ever exactly the same.

Delta Force has occasionally cross-trained with similar units from allied countries such as the Australian Special Air Service Regiment, British Special Air Service, Canadian Joint Task Force 2, French GIGN, German KSK, and Israeli Sayeret Matkal. They also cross train & deploy with US Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU).[15] And they have also helped train other U.S. counter-terrorism units, such as the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team.
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Easily the best thing to come out of OBL's death was the fact that none of us realised just how many SOF experts there are in the world. Who know everything of the capabilities and reasoning behind Ops of not just SOF units but especially SMU's.

The main thing I took from it, was the 10 years ago a Unit was tasked with finding and killing OBL. For reasons beyond their control, they couldn't make it happen at Tora Bora. For the past ten years that same Unit has busted it's balls trying to rectify what happened in Tora Bora. For them to have been passed over for this mission and the chance to finish what they started, was a big kick in the face to those lads.

At best, it was merely a case of DEVGRU having boots in the AO when it was time for planning. At worst, the decision by McRaven was down to personal allegiance and politics after the Norgrove carry on. Cause in the opinion of a lot of SOF lads I've been involved in discussions with, if it came down purely to capabilities it wouldn't have been DEVGRU on those birds.

For the moment, I'll give McRaven the benefit of the doubt.

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Delta are the best, period. There is no unit better than them, anywhere. The Seals did a good job on this mission, and the ****head is dead. That's the important thing here. Any number of units could have executed this mission effectively, Seals happened to get this one for whatever reason, imo probably because of the political leadership at higher commands atm.

Eagle claw was a disaster and Neptune spear was a triumph. Seals 1,000,000 delta 0.