Operation Neptune Spear - were delta involved as well

jonsnow

Its been said that in the media that it was a tier 1 SEAL team that took out Bin Laden.I,m just wondering how does the US military decide whether to use the SEALs over DELTA.Is it because an admiral happens to be in charge of the plan, because DELTA are otherwise occupied,have the SEALS become experts in that geographic area or have a slightly different skill-set.If it was a joint op why would they not let both tier 1 teams have the credit.Not that anyone on an irish internet website is going to have the real scoop but I,m just curious.

OS119

jonsnow wrote: »

...Not that anyone on an irish internet website is going to have the real scoop but I,m just curious.

almost certainly it will have been 'which unit is the duty unit?'

different SF units have differing 'slants' and 'nuances', as well as different theoretical purposes, but after 10 years of SF 'heavy' war in that part of the world they'll all be much of a muchness.

i doubt you could put a cigarette paper between all the US SF units in terms of their capability to carry out this job - all will be very experienced at going somewhere they aren't wanted and negating specific, tasked targets before leaving as quickly as possible.

jonsnow

I,m sure your probably right.Does being the duty unit run for a couple of months so the other team can get some leave because apparently they had been training for this specific mission for months with a replica house etc.

Steyr

jonsnow wrote: »

Its been said that in the media that it was a tier 1 SEAL team that took out Bin Laden.

SEAL Team 6 apparently.

Local-womanizer

jonsnow wrote: »

Its been said that in the media that it was a tier 1 SEAL team that took out Bin Laden.I,m just wondering how does the US military decide whether to use the SEALs over DELTA.Is it because an admiral happens to be in charge of the plan, because DELTA are otherwise occupied,have the SEALS become experts in that geographic area or have a slightly different skill-set.If it was a joint op why would they not let both tier 1 teams have the credit.Not that anyone on an irish internet website is going to have the real scoop but I,m just curious.

I suppose you have to take in to account those who are most experienced in that region at the time, and who is most ready to act at the time of the raid. The SEALs have been operating in Afghanistan for a long time,they know the customs, the ins and outs of the the country which tie into Pakistan.

Thats not to say that say Delta where not as capable but maybe it just came down as who was ready at the time.

Something we will never know I suspect..

helimachoptor

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Something we will never know I suspect..

Until the movie...:pac::pac:

BuckJamesRogers

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Something we will never know I suspect..

Well! Oddly, I was watching a CNN report about the SEALs a few hours ago and it was said that the SEALs were the right size of a unit for this operation. A single Delta Force squad(??) I think they said was about 12 men (too small they said) and a larger force of Rangers too big. Obviously the skills of each team came into play and, as you said, it's very much thought that Delta have control of ops in Iraq and the SEALs do Afghanistan. This is just what I've gathered from various news sources over the past few days. The size one I just heard today and I thought it plausible enough.

Utrinque Paratus

BuckJamesRogers wrote: »

Well! Oddly, I was watching a CNN report about the SEALs a few hours ago and it was said that the SEALs were the right size of a unit for this operation. A single Delta Force squad(??) I think they said was about 12 men (too small they said) and a larger force of Rangers too big. Obviously the skills of each team came into play and, as you said, it's very much thought that Delta have control of ops in Iraq and the SEALs do Afghanistan. This is just what I've gathered from various news sources over the past few days. The size one I just heard today and I thought it plausible enough.

Its bs, Each delta sabre squadron (around 80 strong) is broken down into three troops, one Recce/Sniper troop, and two Direct Action/Assault troops, that can either operate in teams or in groups as small as four to six men. They are currently operating with task force red/88 elsewhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_88_%28anti-terrorist_unit%29


The action arm of the task force is made up of operators from 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta, DEVGRU, British Special Air Service “Sabre squadron." and soldiers from the 75th Ranger Regiment. Members of the CIA's elite Special Activities Division paramilitary unit are also believed to be an important part of the group.[10] Support elements include the Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Night Stalkers), the Air Force’s 24th Special Tactics Squadron, and British paratroopers from the Special Forces Support Group.



The Delta are serving elsewhere since 2008.

Task Force 88 is an American special operations unit formed since September 11, 2001, of which little is publicly known. Described as a "hunter-killer team"[1] with its core made up of Delta Force and DEVGRU operators,[2] Task Force 88 reportedly conducts covert operations against what the US government deems to be High-value targets in countries around the world. The unit was reported to be responsible for both the cross border raid into Syria from Iraq in October 2008 that resulted in eight deaths including Abu Ghadiyah [3][4] and several US operations in the Horn of Africa targeting al Qaeda.[5][6]

AbusesToilets

The Seals got the mission most likely because 3 major commanders are Navy/Seals - SOCOM, JSOC and Joint Chiefs.

The Task force numbers are fairly meaningless, they change all the time.

Utrinque Paratus

AbusesToilets wrote: »

The Seals got the mission most likely because 3 major commanders are Navy/Seals - SOCOM, JSOC and Joint Chiefs.

The Task force numbers are fairly meaningless, they change all the time.

So its nothing to do with the fact its because they are the SOF currently deployed in Afghanistan ? :rolleyes:

AbusesToilets

They both are.

Utrinque Paratus

AbusesToilets wrote: »

They both are.

Youre saying the Delta are in Afghanistan ?

Since 2008 they have been elsewhere, conducting ops in Yemen, Sudan etc.

AbusesToilets

nope

swordofislam

The seals are the best of the best. They are America's paladins. Delta force are effeminate cowards. In Pensacola in 2007 1 Navy seal singlehandedly destroyed a rogue delta force squadron that was importing meth and cocaine from Mexico.

Also the seal team was made up of guys whose brothers had been firemen in the 9-11 when Osama got the two towers destroyed and this time it was PERSONAL!

Except the officers their brothers were big time bankers and they were opposites but very close and this time it was PERSONAL!

Fattes

Special forces pops are decided in the following way apparently!

Each UNIT is given the scenario and asked to propose a solution.

SOCOM commanders than make a call based on the proposals for which plan to use. So you will fid that Delta teams, Seals Both, Rangers got to propose a plan to get the job done

The seal team had been training in a replica of the house in the US for the past 6 weeks up until a week before the op allegedly so location was not an issue as they where at home training.

After operation Eagle Claw the planning and preparation for Opps was handed to the people that know best the ones that will be kicking in the door in with a final call made by the commanders.

DELTA are now almost exclusively used as a force multiplier in areas where the US do not operate ( Cough Cough )

AbusesToilets

^ Wrong on so many levels

Sod'o swords

swordofislam wrote: »

The seals are the best of the best. They are America's paladins. Delta force are effeminate cowards. In Pensacola in 2007 1 Navy seal singlehandedly destroyed a rogue delta force squadron that was importing meth and cocaine from Mexico.

Also the seal team was made up of guys whose brothers had been firemen in the 9-11 when Osama got the two towers destroyed and this time it was PERSONAL!

Except the officers their brothers were big time bankers and they were opposites but very close and this time it was PERSONAL!

Sounds like a Stephen Segal movie.

Locust

This time its personal - ha!

OP - i haven't a clue who decides, who goes in, but DEVGRU take orders from on high... Seals were used as they have a hell of a lot more of the right capability, and DEVGRU/ST6 whatever you want to call them - the elite within the elite, this is what they were made for - Just like you a heart surgeon works on the heart, a brain surgeon a brain etc...
This Seal team were made for this type of mission. Yes Army Special Forces/Delta/Green Berets, may also have the capability... but not as sharp or equipped as DEVGRU for this one.

Utrinque Paratus

Locust wrote: »

This time its personal - ha!

OP - i haven't a clue who decides, who goes in, but DEVGRU take orders from on high... Seals were used as they have a hell of a lot more of the right capability, and DEVGRU/ST6 whatever you want to call them - the elite within the elite, this is what they were made for - Just like you a heart surgeon works on the heart, a brain surgeon a brain etc...
This Seal team were made for this type of mission. Yes Army Special Forces/Delta/Green Berets, may also have the capability... but not as sharp or equipped as DEVGRU for this one.

The Delta are the US militarys formost specialists in hostage rescue, its they who originally taught these skills in the US military and to the FBI.

Quote wiki
". Charles Beckwith, a member of the US Army Special Forces had served as an exchange officer with the British Army's Special Air Service (22 SAS Regiment). Upon his return, Beckwith presented a detailed report highlighting the U.S Army's vulnerability in not having an SAS-type unit. U.S. Army Special Forces in that period focused on unconventional warfare, but Beckwith recognized the need for, "not only teachers, but doers."[4] He envisioned highly adaptable and completely autonomous small teams with a broad array of special skills for direct action and counter-terrorist missions. He briefed military and government figures, who were overtly resistant to create a new unit outside of Special Forces, or change existing methods. Finally, in the mid-70's, as terrorism grew, Pentagon brass tapped Beckwith to form the unit.[5]

Beckwith had estimated that it would take 24 months to get his new unit mission-ready. In the meantime, the 5th Special Forces Group created Blue Light, a small counter-terrorist contingent which operated until Delta became fully operational in the early 1980s."


Quote Locust
This Seal team were made for this type of mission. Yes Army Special Forces/Delta/Green Berets, may also have the capability... but not as sharp or equipped as DEVGRU for this one.

......Is why DEVRU/ST6 ballsed up the recent rescue of Linda Norgrove and one did not know the difference between a frag grenade and a stun grenade ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/13/linda-norgrove-us-commando-disciplinary


The Guardian has learned that a member of US special forces who is believed to have accidentally killed Norgrove is likely to face disciplinary action after failing to inform his commanding officers that he had used a grenade until long after the event.

Sources in Kabul and London have confirmed that during the assault on the kidnappers' hideaway the hostage broke away from her captors and lay in a foetal position to avoid harm.

The soldier from the elite Seal Team Six special forces unit failed to see Norgrove and tossed his fragmentation grenade in, which exploded next to her.



....I once saw a video where an American special forces soldier did not know it was very dangerous to throw a grenade up a hill, seriously.


The Delta has the same anti terrorist capability as the Seals.

But looking at the selection and training of both, Delta training creates a more independently thinking soldier, as its based on 22 SAS.


Training

Operator Training Course: According to the book Inside the Delta Force by Eric Haney, OTC consisted of the following events. Although OTC has probably changed since then, it remains around 6 months long.

* Marksmanship
o The students shoot stationary targets at close range until they are able to have almost complete accuracy. They will then move on to moving targets.
o Once shooting skills are perfected, they will move to a shooting house where they will clear rooms of "enemy" targets. At first it will be done by one student, then two at a time, three at a time, and finally four. After the students learn techniques to clear a room, "hostages" are added to the room mixed with the enemies.

* Demolitions
o Students learn how to break into many different locks such as cars and safes.
o Demolition and how to build bombs out of various commonly found materials.

* Combined skills. The FBI, FAA, and other agencies were used to advise the training of this portion of OTC. Sometimes commercial airliners such as Delta Air Lines would allow Delta to train on their aircraft too.
o The new Delta Operators use both demolition and marksmanship skills at the shoothouse and other training facilities to train for hostage and counter-terrorist operations with both assault and sniper troops working together. They practice terrorist or hostage situations in buildings, aircraft, and other settings.
o All trainees learn how to set sniper positions around a building with hostages in it. They learn the proper ways to set up a TOC and communicate in an organized manner. Although Delta has specialized sniper teams, all members go through this training.
o The students then go back to the shoothouse and the "hostages" are replaced with other students and Delta Force members. It is known that live ammunition has been used in these exercises, to test the students, and build trust between one another.

* Trade Craft - During the first OTC's and creation of Delta, CIA personnel were used to teach this portion.
o Students learn different espionage-related skills such as dead drops, brief encounters, pickups, load and unload signals, danger and safe signals, surveillance and countersurveillance.

* Executive Protection - During the first OTC's and creation of Delta, the Department of State and the Secret Service would advise Delta in this portion of training.
o Students take an advanced driving course learning how to use a vehicle or many vehicles as defensive and offensive weapons.
o They then learn techniques developed by the Secret Service on how to cover a VIP and diplomatic protection missions.

* Culmination Exercise
o A final test that requires the students to apply and dynamically adapt all of the skills that they have learned.

Although these are the main skills taught in every OTC, no OTC classes are ever exactly the same.

Delta Force has occasionally cross-trained with similar units from allied countries such as the Australian Special Air Service Regiment, British Special Air Service, Canadian Joint Task Force 2, French GIGN, German KSK, and Israeli Sayeret Matkal. They also cross train & deploy with US Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU).[15] And they have also helped train other U.S. counter-terrorism units, such as the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team.
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swordofislam

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

The Delta are the US militarys formost specialists in hostage rescue, its they who originally taught these skills in the US military and to the FBI.

They weren't there to capture Bin Laden they were there to kill him.
They may have had to rescue a girl (he token Pakistani guy's hot sister- turn's out Ramirez asked her to marry him -- it had to be Ramirez because the skin colours are the same; In the end the Pakistani realised that it is better to own 2 shops in Encino than to get killed by the Americans).

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

......Is why DEVRU/ST6 ballsed up the recent rescue of Linda Norgrove and one did not know the difference between a frag grenade and a stun grenade ?

They weren't using toy Delta force grenades. They were there to kill Bin Laden. I am sure that Delta Force could have done it but President Obama needed to be sure that Bin Laden wouldn't survive.

Fattes

AbusesToilets: Please expand? The ion I posted is based on a very high level conversations explaining how it works in SOCOM with a current serving Ranger??
Like everyone else on here unless we have some serving members we are all just guessing perhaps an educated Guess but a guess all the same

Locust

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

...Is why DEVRU/ST6 ballsed up the recent rescue of Linda Norgrove and one did not know the difference between a frag grenade and a stun grenade ?
The Delta has the same anti terrorist capability as the Seals.
Delta training creates a more independently thinking soldier

I'm well aware of the history and make up of the units, no need for wiki quotes. Both are superior fighting forces and both work and cross train regularly... Personally i think DEVGRU (which are an elite within the Seal teams) takes the edge for killing folks.

I suppose over 2000 Seals are more widely and personally involved in Afghanistan since 2001, and is fitting for them to get the job of snatching/killing Usama just seems right.

Locust

Also came across this - which would indicate they were well rehearsed and ready
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/05/army-seals-in-bin-laden-raid-drawn-from-red-squadron-050511/

Utrinque Paratus

Locust wrote: »

I'm well aware of the history and make up of the units, no need for wiki quotes. Both are superior fighting forces and both work and cross train regularly... Personally i think DEVGRU (which are an elite within the Seal teams) takes the edge for killing folks.

I suppose over 2000 Seals are more widely and personally involved in Afghanistan since 2001, and is fitting for them to get the job of snatching/killing Usama just seems right.

The Delta killed more then 3,500 insurgents in Bagdad and Southern Iraq in 18 months along with 22 SAS and 1 PARA.

They are presently involved in ops in Yemen and Somalia which dont get in the public domain.

The Delta were previously in Afghanistan for yrs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_88_%28anti-terrorist_unit%29

Task Force Black

Based in the Basra area, TF Black (which is supported by Parachute Regiment troopers of Task Force Red, a separate organization)[14] is based around a squadron of the British army's 22 Special Air Service Regiment, with integrated units from the Special Boat Service and US 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force). TF Black is responsible for the southern portion of the country, but has participated in operations in the Baghdad area when British or Canadian hostages are involved. Operation Marlborough in July 2005, when the SAS killed three insurgent would-be suicide bombers, was also carried out by this unit in the Iraqi capital.[15] Sergeant Jon Hollingsworth, killed in Iraq with the SAS, was decorated for his service in this unit.

Reportedly, TF Black has removed or killed 3,500 insurgents from the streets of Baghdad.[16] With the removal of these insurgents, the number of bombings has been reduced from 150 per month to about 2 per month.[16]

Rawhead

I believe the different TF's in Iraq genuinely terrorised the insurgents. I remember reading that these units were starting to suffer large attrition rates due to the fact that they were going out night after night for weeks on end without any break and fatigue took its toll.

I don't think any unit has an edge over the other, needless to say I'll be surprised if the DF press office don't release a story saying how the Rangers led this operation and are recognised as the worlds best assualters.

AbusesToilets

Delta are the best, period. There is no unit better than them, anywhere. The Seals did a good job on this mission, and the ****head is dead. That's the important thing here. Any number of units could have executed this mission effectively, Seals happened to get this one for whatever reason, imo probably because of the political leadership at higher commands atm.

Poccington

Easily the best thing to come out of OBL's death was the fact that none of us realised just how many SOF experts there are in the world. Who know everything of the capabilities and reasoning behind Ops of not just SOF units but especially SMU's.

The main thing I took from it, was the 10 years ago a Unit was tasked with finding and killing OBL. For reasons beyond their control, they couldn't make it happen at Tora Bora. For the past ten years that same Unit has busted it's balls trying to rectify what happened in Tora Bora. For them to have been passed over for this mission and the chance to finish what they started, was a big kick in the face to those lads.

At best, it was merely a case of DEVGRU having boots in the AO when it was time for planning. At worst, the decision by McRaven was down to personal allegiance and politics after the Norgrove carry on. Cause in the opinion of a lot of SOF lads I've been involved in discussions with, if it came down purely to capabilities it wouldn't have been DEVGRU on those birds.

For the moment, I'll give McRaven the benefit of the doubt.

goldie fish

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Delta are the best, period. There is no unit better than them, anywhere. The Seals did a good job on this mission, and the ****head is dead. That's the important thing here. Any number of units could have executed this mission effectively, Seals happened to get this one for whatever reason, imo probably because of the political leadership at higher commands atm.

I presume you are qualified to make this assertion based on your experience working with both units?

swordofislam

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Delta are the best, period. There is no unit better than them, anywhere. The Seals did a good job on this mission, and the ****head is dead. That's the important thing here. Any number of units could have executed this mission effectively, Seals happened to get this one for whatever reason, imo probably because of the political leadership at higher commands atm.

Eagle claw was a disaster and Neptune spear was a triumph. Seals 1,000,000 delta 0.

Poccington

swordofislam wrote: »

Eagle claw was a disaster and Neptune spear was a triumph. Seals 1,000,000 delta 0.

Good Lord.

Yes, let's compare an Operation which never made it past the staging area due to the heli issues, two years after the Unit had been stood up and literally right after it became operational, at a time where USSOCOM(Let alone JSOC) didn't exist and 160th SOAR didn't exist.

Now, compare it to an Operation on a target which had been watched for over a year, carried out under the command of JSOC, using dedicated and properly trained SOF pilots, in an age where battlefield technology and intel is completely unrivalled. All this carried out by a Unit which has existed and been carrying out Ops in it's various guises for roughly 30 years.

Life - 1,000,000 You - 0

By the way, if you had that much admiration for DEVGRU you'd know it's SEAL's, not Seals. It doesn't require that much effort to capitalise the letters.

Rawhead

swordofislam wrote: »

Eagle claw was a disaster and Neptune spear was a triumph. Seals 1,000,000 delta 0.

The very failures in Eagle Claw led to the creation of SOCOM and the 160th SOAR. Eagle Claw failed because everyone wanted a piece of the action (Navy, USMC, Air Force) and too many cooks. A sand storm didn't help matters much either.

You cannot blame a football team for losing a match if their bus crashes on the way to the game.

The failures of Eagle Claw led to the success of Neptune Spear.

Utrinque Paratus

swordofislam wrote: »

Eagle claw was a disaster and Neptune spear was a triumph. Seals 1,000,000 delta 0.

Seal team 6/DEVGRU ballsed up the rescue of Linda Northgrove through.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319683/Linda-Norgroves-death-captured-US-special-forces-helmet-camera.html


American officials initially claimed Miss Norgrove had been killed when one of her captors detonated a suicide vest. But a review of footage taken by helmet cameras raised suspicions that in fact, it was a U.S. grenade which killed Miss Norgrove.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319683/Linda-Norgroves-death-captured-US-special-forces-helmet-camera.html#ixzz1LezXCOM3



They also claimed there was a 45 min firefight with Bin Ladens guards.....that too has been proven false.

Its now claimed 1 guard fired at them, but were they even opposed ?


http://www.slate.com/id/2293111/

Reuters report that according to Pakistani officials, who have presumably interrogated the compound's other inhabitants, "The people inside the house were unarmed."

Rawhead

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

Seal team 6/DEVGRU ballsed up the rescue of Linda Northgrove through.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319683/Linda-Norgroves-death-captured-US-special-forces-helmet-camera.html


American officials initially claimed Miss Norgrove had been killed when one of her captors detonated a suicide vest. But a review of footage taken by helmet cameras raised suspicions that in fact, it was a U.S. grenade which killed Miss Norgrove.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319683/Linda-Norgroves-death-captured-US-special-forces-helmet-camera.html#ixzz1LezXCOM3



They also claimed there was a 45 min firefight with Bin Ladens guards.....that too has been proven false.

Its now claimed 1 guard fired at them, but were they even opposed ?


http://www.slate.com/id/2293111/

Reuters report that according to Pakistani officials, who have presumably interrogated the compound's other inhabitants, "The people inside the house were unarmed."

While I respect your posts and you seem to know what you are talking about, you have now mentioned the Norgrove incident about 4 times. Information about these things is always messed up and the true story is never told. The fact that you can now go back and micro analysis every move a solider makes after the incident thanks to helmet cams makes it even more stressful. You mention that they made a balls up as if they landed in the wrong country or something. They acted on very short notice and one of the lads threw the wrong grenade in the heat of battle, a mistake yes, a major balls up is a bit strong.


I wonder if helmet cams had been available in Princes Gate and Gibraltar would the SAS lads be serving time for killing unarmed people. At the time it was said that the Gibraltar three were about to detonate a remote control device and that all the lads in the embassy were armed, we since know that it was a pack of ****e. They were executed even more brutally than OBL. Some of the embassy baddies were laying on the ground after surrendering when they were riddled and the only reason one survived was because the women shielded him until he was outside and they couldn't shoot him in the garden in front of the cops and press.


Now I have no problem with any of those cases because terrorists live by the sword, but I do have a problem with all this armchair general ****e and the sniping about what was a fantastic operation that achieved all its goals with no good guys lost.

Utrinque Paratus

I mentined it twice, if their mission was to rescue hostage Norgove and they killed that hostage by a SEAL throwing a frag genade into a room where she was instead of a stun grenade,then claiming she was killed by a suicide bomber......thats a balls up.

On your point about Princess gate the terrorists were armed and had killed a hostage, one even dropped a grenade when claiming he had surrendered but never took the pin out.


In regard to the Bin Laden operation, the logistical side was impressive, the assault nothing special, SOF units are doing the same every week around the globe, the only reason this got publicity was because of the high profile target.

People concluding DEVGRU are the best SOF unit in the world from this is simply buying into the media hype.

Rawhead

No one here is claiming DEVGRU are the best SF unit apart from the odd clown who wanders into the site when something big happens.
The SAS were unheard of outside military circles before the Iranian embassy, the press made a huge deal of it.
DEVGRU was unheard of outside military until they got OBL, the press is making a huge deal of it.
All the Tier 1 units of the world couldn't be separated by a gee hair.
It just bugs me that everyone goes on about the Yanks going overboard with the coverage and celebrations when every country is the same. If the SAS had done this operation Sky News would have dedicated a whole new channel to them.

On a lighter note I'd say the Navy recruiters are having a easy time getting their quota bonus's.
19 stone 22 year old living at home with mother playing MW2 24 hours a day: " so all I have to do is sign this and I'll be in DEVGRU"
Recruiter: "YES"
19 stone 22 year old living at home with mother playing MW2 24 hours a day: "cool, where do I sign"

Locust

Delta - are classed as 'tier 1 operators'
DEVGRU - are classed as 'tier 1 operators'

Both A1 in their field, arguing who's better is an exercise in futility - 99.999% of people on here have never worked along side them or seen just how good either units are. Personally i have respect for members of these units, and what it takes, reading up on selection/training and the operations they are expected to carry out. They are a cut above - i in my own personal opinion just think DEVGRU have the slight edge as an 'assault group' thats all, but thats neither here nor there. I ain't qualified to say...

Rawhead

Locust wrote: »

Delta - are classed as 'tier 1 operators'
DEVGRU - are classed as 'tier 1 operators'

Both A1 in their field, arguing who's better is an exercise in futility - 99.999% of people on here have never worked along side them or seen just how good either units are. Personally i have respect for members of these units, and what it takes, reading up on selection/training and the operations they are expected to carry out. They are a cut above - i in my own personal opinion just think DEVGRU have the slight edge as an 'assault group' thats all, but thats neither here nor there. I ain't qualified to say...

What, you mean to tell me that all along I have been talking to ordinary humans. I was sure that this is where all Tier 1 operators spent their spare time. Back to Bragg for me, with the other 00.001%.

Locust

yup you'd be surprised with all the talk, but i'm afraid so....

swordofislam

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

Seal team 6/DEVGRU ballsed up the rescue of Linda Northgrove through.

The SEALs are not the rescue fairies!!! LOL at Delta force! The SEALs are killers. You don't even hear about the badass **** they do!! Delta are totally gay!!

swordofislam

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

The Delta killed more then 3,500 insurgents in Bagdad and Southern Iraq in 18 months along with 22 SAS and 1 PARA.

I'm glad they got the 23 Brits anyway.

swordofislam

Locust wrote: »

Delta - are classed as 'tier 1 operators'
DEVGRU - are classed as 'tier 1 operators'

Both A1 in their field, arguing who's better is an exercise in futility.

DEVGRU are better!

Local-womanizer

swordofislam wrote: »

I'm glad they got the 23 Brits anyway.

Oh jesus.......

goldie fish

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Oh jesus.......

I lol'd

Local-womanizer

goldie fish wrote: »

I lol'd

I was lmfao!

delta-boy

This is a wah, right?

ChunkyLover_53

swordofislam wrote: »

I'm glad they got the 23 Brits anyway.

Post of the Century

Rawhead

swordofislam wrote: »

I'm glad they got the 23 Brits anyway.

Took me a minute. Very very good.

ReacherCreature

swordofislam wrote: »

I'm glad they got the 23 Brits anyway.

I'll re-literate, post of the century. Quality, quality stuff. Take a bow son.

BigDuffman

DELTA r totally ghey, OMG SEALs r pure pwnage. LOL USMC 4 lIfE.







*Tongue firmly in cheek

Dave Joyce

Only lurk on this particular forum occasionally but some the crap written is unbelievable. Arguing about who are the better Tier 1 guys is a joke:rolleyes: Both the SEALS/Green Berets ARE Tier 1 operators and there would be VERY little between them in different areas of operation.

While they can be intense rivals (Navy SQUEALS/Greeny Beany's is how they often refer to each other), I do think there is tremendous respect for each other. IN GENERAL and yes it is a bit of a sweeping statement but the Berets main duty at the beginning of the Afghan conflict was to organise and train the likes of the Northern Alliance amongst other roles while the SEALS were mainly the hammer and especially SEAL Team 6/DEVGRU!

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Dave Joyce wrote: »

Only lurk on this particular forum occasionally but some the crap written is unbelievable. Arguing about who are the better Tier 1 guys is a joke:rolleyes: Both the SEALS/Green Berets ARE Tier 1 operators and there would be VERY little between them in different areas of operation.

While they can be intense rivals (Navy SQUEALS/Greeny Beany's is how they often refer to each other), I do think there is tremendous respect for each other. IN GENERAL and yes it is a bit of a sweeping statement but the Berets main duty at the beginning of the Afghan conflict was to organise and train the likes of the Northern Alliance amongst other roles while the SEALS were mainly the hammer and especially SEAL Team 6/DEVGRU!

This post fills me with joy.

You come in here, speaking of people posting crap, throwing out the :rolleyes: and what not. Then, you go ahead and tell us USSF are a Tier 1 Unit. They most certainly aren't. They'd tell you that themselves.

Anyway, only 5th Group were in A'Stan at the start of the invasion and were very much involved in the fighting, along with CIA SAD and Delta. DEVGRU certainly weren't the hammer, the hunt for Bin Laden during the invasion of A'Stan was Delta's baby.