OZ

one mate going in june, 4 in july, me by the end of the year hopefully.

On top of approx 30 I know there already. A generation lost im afraid.

I dont say fair play to them or envy anyone going to Australia or anywhere else. Grass is always greener on the other side.

Alot of people follow the herd mentality and travel places just because everyone else is.
For many going away is a short term gamble or solution to current unemployment, its grand getting a job abroad but if its just washing windows its hardly going to lead to a career that they might eek out with harder graf here. Alot will return here having wasted their visas and find themselves in similar situation to what they left but without the get out option of a visa.

I dont think things are too bad here in Ireland, if all the moaning was finished with and the media changed its tune of highlighting so many gripes and moans for sensationalism we would be better off and people could get up in the morning with a more positive vibe about their day ahead.

I dont envy anyone flying abroad best of luck to them, i admire the positive people here making it happen.

I think that traveling is important to the individual, as it is good to experience what the wider world has to offer.. Altough living in Bondi junction in a crap flat with a dozen others isnt really that much of an experience..

The best are still here, they are building up on education and experience and waiting for their chance..

The best remain in Ireland? pfft! please, the best have and will move abroad in recession times..

Unless they are studying and taking advantage of the 'free' Irish education of course.. or unless daddy knows someone, or they are gangsters, or if they know politicians. If they are still in Ireland in college, then after they'll feck off to London (if career minded) or Aus, Canada if they are a bit more adventurous and risk taking.

Irish people have always sought opportunities worldwide and it's no different now..

I for one moved abroad to London in 2004 straight after college to get better opportunities, tried to come home to Dublin 3 times to no avail, and am now about to go to Aus on a WHV (my last few months to activate it, sure why not).. plus I've got my Canada visa to use within the next 11 months..

As I have been saying for years.. All the Clever ones have left...

Moving 12000 miles away to some Australian sh1thole doesn't appear anywhere on my list of priorities, nor New Zealand, where my ears would bleed just listening to the natives' accent.

...and forking out thousands of Aus Dollars to get residency, so that you can work for more than three months at a time - bollocks to that!

Unless you manage to eventually wangle a high-paid job, you're marooned there for evermore because of the flight costs, and when one of your family nembers decides to die back home, you're screwed even more for the cost of getting home.

giant_midget wrote: »

agree...Spend a day in Bondi junction and it will be like you never left..sunburnt red faced culchie gaaa jersey wearing gimps every where...What's the point in going to OZ if your gonna hang around Bondi in the teagardens with the reast of the embarrasing fools from Ireland...I cringe when i think of this...Most Australians think we are idiots & i can see why...

I agree Bondi & St Kilda are the kind of place that attract muppets thats for sure, in saying that if you have the minerals you can do alright in Australia its a fine country and its looked after me. Looking at it from the outside.... Ireland is not the centre of the universe by a long shot, sometimes you need to get away from to appreciate it.... but at the same time get away from it to appreciate that its not that great either.

To me Ireland will always be home.... but am happy enough to call Australia home as well.

People going on a one year visa are not emigrating they are just holidaying all 20,000 of them, there is only about 3000 Irish people actually emigrate to Australia each year.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

How are they considered "the best" when they can't/couldn't get a decent job in Ireland even during an unprecedented boom?

They must be "the best" at something utterly worthless to the country if they have to move abroad.

That's the problem, whatever these people are doing is 'worthless' in Ireland as there are no jobs in it. For e.g. someone can have an interest in a type of technology that is not used in Ireland for whatever reason (e.g. because of economies of scale), so they must go elsewhere to a more modern and forward thinking larger economy to fulfil their quest.

Ireland is a social backwater on the peripheral of Ireland, once you live abroad, you find that out. The people who cop on to this are the ones who don't want to live blissfully unaware of their backwardness, so they move on, to places better than Ireland where they are worth something.

One more point is that Ireland is painfully cliquely, so once you leave it's extremely hard to get back in, unless Daddy or one of your mates knows someone.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Guh?

So basically you're saying that if you have a skill that is useless to a given economy (not just Ireland), say "widget making" for the sake of argument, then it is the fault of the economy at large and not the widget maker that their skill is useless?

It's up to the individual to adapt to market conditions, not the other way around. It's the reason we have so many brickies/sparks/chippies sitting at home for the past 3 years. Fair play to to the ones that are willing to leave the country to continue their chosen profession, but don't sit on the dole in Ireland waiting for another construction boom while complaining about the "economy being ****ed" when you yourself aren't willing to do anything to make yourself a more desireable employee.

Yeah well I was encouraged in the late 90's to do computers/engineering 'cos that was where all the jobs were at the time, now there's nothing in Ireland. And it's a lot harder to adapt to current market conditions as there are 100's of applications for each job that's out there. So it's either join the job lottery whilst on the dole, or go and take a chance and go abroad where there are still jobs..


Luckily they are crying out for my industry in Aus, howeverI am also going for the lifestyle