USA! USA!

van der vart · 03-05-2011 10:32PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

You don't even need a garden.

True

CommuterIE · 03-05-2011 10:32PM

landsleaving wrote: »

I like to think we're smart enough to know that definining ourselves as individuals based on the random nature of our birth to a nation-state that differs in only minor ways from most other first-world nation-states is preposterous.

I like to think it, because when I go out in reality I see that people do have flags outside their houses. There's someone near me that does it, alternating between Ireland and Manchester United, desperately grasping for a commnity to affiliate himself with so he doesn't feel so alone in the world.

Do you have a flag outside OP?

I do

It's small, and has been attached to the window for years...

starbelgrade · 03-05-2011 10:32PM

landsleaving wrote: »

Do you have a flag outside OP?

Probably has a horse outside.

fontanalis · 03-05-2011 10:33PM

superelliptic wrote: »

We are a patriotic country - you're just focusing on the overt signs of patriotism.

The English, and French may show their patriotic side more, but the Germans are very wary of any overt signs of nationalism (ie flag waving, chanting, big public displays of nationalism) because they worry about a return to the bad ol days of the 40's. Also, the US may be a ragingly patriotic country, but that is actually one of their biggest causes of strife - the fact that any BS ideology can be passed off as being "morally just" simply by wrapping the flag around it - it happens all the time over there - a prime example being the xenophobic drivel that Fox News broadcasts, defending the war in iraq, the WMD's, Bush, Cheny, Rumsfeld, bashing Obamas nationality, trying to incite pograms against Muslims, calling anyone who disagrees with them "un-american".

In short, Irish people do not have to resort to that, because by and large, we are a thinking people.

Except on election day.

Duckworth_Luas · 03-05-2011 10:33PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

we don't do imperialism very well in ireland truth be told

It's all meters, kilograms and that ****e now.

Killer Wench · 03-05-2011 10:33PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Speak for yourself. I think Ireland had a lot going for it, not that you'd know it by reading the constant drone of whinging threads started about the place.

And unlike America, our sense of pride is not always based on a common bonding over wars & the deaths of others.

What America did on Monday is little to be proud of, let alone to be shouting about.

To clarify, what did America do?

superelliptic · 03-05-2011 10:33PM

Local-womanizer wrote: »

We need a catchy chant like USA! USA! USA!

Ireland is too long to chat like that see.

What about OLE OLE OLE OLE

orourkeda · 03-05-2011 10:34PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Probably has a horse outside.

It would be the supreme act of patriotism to do away with that pair.

Someone get Barack Obama on the phone

Sisko · 03-05-2011 10:35PM

CommuterIE wrote: »

Why do so many Irish have a problem with patriotism?

So Americans like to be patriotic by flying the stars and stripes outside their houses... the British also do this, as do the French, Germans etc...

1st of all, the Germans don't do this. 2nd, acting like the Americans do is not something to seek after. Makes you easily manipulated , the Americans and the Muslims share some similarities, the shots of the crowds chanting USA USA!! and making generally insanely ignorant comments when Osamas death was announced was not all that dissimilar from the crowds we see in random middle eastern country number 3 chanting allahu akbar! celebrating the deaths of US soldiers and so on.

Lastly most irish can be quite proud, we just show it differently.

Dusty87 wrote: »

Neighbour 1 : 'i see joe hung an irish flag in the garden'.
Neighbour 2 : 'probably in the RA or something'.

This is exactly an issue alright, the fear of being deemed a "ra head" has resulted in extremely self hating irish people , you see it all over boards.

landsleaving · 03-05-2011 10:35PM

CommuterIE wrote: »

I do It's small, and has been attached to the window for years...

Sounds rather tasteful actually.

Predator_ · 03-05-2011 10:37PM

Sisko wrote: »

This is exactly an issue alright, the fear of being deemed a "ra head" has resulted in extremely self hating irish people , you see it all over boards.

Weakness

prinz · 03-05-2011 10:38PM

CommuterIE wrote: »

The Irish don't, and why the f*** not??? Have you people not got a sense of pride and dignity about your country? There is something very wrong about this country!

..generally because I don't want to be associated with the knuckle-dragging halfwits who have laid claim to "Irishness" over the past few decades.

Also as has been noted, public displays of German "celebration" are a new phenomenon and is only slowly being accepted there. Began about 2006 with the hosting of the World Cup. Such displays are still restricted to major sporting events and open displays of German pride are still likely to be frowned upon outside of say a World Cup/Euro finals matchday. Some people will put up a flag, especially in the countryside/rural areas, but you'd be more likely to see a local Lander flag than a national flag.

Bullseye1 · 03-05-2011 10:38PM

A large section of Irelands population would be less offended if you hung a Union Jack outside your house. What does that tell you.

But in fairness sports does seem to be the one outlet when we Irish do let ourselves alittle auld patriotic celebration.

Dudess · 03-05-2011 10:38PM

CommuterIE wrote: »

Have you people

Daegerty wrote: »

"We do things this way in Ireland... so backwards, we should be ashamed"

I hate that sh1t too but not being into patriotism doesn't automatically mean a person defaults to the above - I buy into neither. Both place WAY too much stock in where a person is randomly born.

fontanalis wrote: »

Yes, they should be ashamed for killing a caveman that was responsible for so much misery over the last 10 or 15 years. Terrible really, that poor man who only wanted the best for others.

Why kill him? Why not prison? Islamic fundamentalism will soldier on even without him. Anyone who thinks the death of Bin Laden means extremism will die with him is living in dreamland.

orourkeda · 03-05-2011 10:38PM

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception

Sounds like ambition to me

squod · 03-05-2011 10:39PM

It struck me a few years ago while visiting Rome that attitudes and prosperity can change just by giving people a sense of pride in their roots.
I honestly believe the generations of people younger than myself should hold their country in some esteem and plan their futures here.

Giving the citizen a sense of belonging isn't a bad thing. This country is a wonderful place. Ruined by the maniacs who consistently vote for career criminals. We should kill ostracise those people.

rossie1977 · 03-05-2011 10:40PM

i think we need to bring lillian garcia over to sing our anthem might turn more people patriotic, amazing job she did last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MbxfPE_N2Y

fontanalis · 03-05-2011 10:40PM

Dudess wrote: »

I hate that sh1t too but not being into patriotism doesn't automatically mean a person defaults to the above - I buy into neither. Both place WAY too much stock in where a person is randomly born.

Why kill him? Why not prison? Islamic fundamentalism will soldier on even without him. Anyone who thinks the death of Bin Laden means extremism will die with him is living in dreamland.

They shouldn't feel a shamed of killing him that's for sure. I don't think extremism will die or either does Obama, one less savage in the world that's all.

starbelgrade · 03-05-2011 10:41PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

To clarify, what did America do?

Besides executing a man on foreign soil without trial?

Oh, nothing.

But then again, it's a small thing in comparison to the invasions & war crimes they've committed over the years.

orourkeda · 03-05-2011 10:41PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

i think we need to bring lillian garcia over to sing our anthem might turn more people patriotic, amazing job she did last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MbxfPE_N2Y

How does it take over 2 minutes to sing a national anthem that you could sing in less than 1 minute.

CommuterIE · 03-05-2011 10:43PM

Dudess wrote: »

Why kill him?

He only orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, the USS Coleman attack and numerous others... yes he was going to be shot dead on-sight, get with reality!

fontanalis · 03-05-2011 10:44PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Besides executing a man on foreign soil without trial?

Oh, nothing.

But then again, it's a small thing in comparison to the invasions & war crimes they've committed over the years.

Yes, lets all weep for that poor man.

Bullseye1 · 03-05-2011 10:45PM

It appears Saudi refuses to take him. So why should they be responsible for providing a prison space which costs money.

Dudess wrote: »

I hate that sh1t too but not being into patriotism doesn't automatically mean a person defaults to the above - I buy into neither. Both place WAY too much stock in where a person is randomly born.

Why kill him? Why not prison? Islamic fundamentalism will soldier on even without him. Anyone who thinks the death of Bin Laden means extremism will die with him is living in dreamland.

TheBucks · 03-05-2011 10:45PM

you can hardly blame the yanks for dancing a jig.

Killer Wench · 03-05-2011 10:46PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Besides executing a man on foreign soil without trial?

Oh, nothing.

But then again, it's a small thing in comparison to the invasions & war crimes they've committed over the years.

Ahh... I see. And, what do you propose America should do now?

Da Shins Kelly · 03-05-2011 10:46PM

There's a difference in being proud of your country and just being plain arrogant. Americans tend to cross the line quite frequently. You can be proud without constantly rubbing it in everyone else's face.

landsleaving · 03-05-2011 10:48PM

fontanalis wrote: »

Yes, lets all weep for that poor man.

That's hardly the point here. He was a horrible person, of course, but violence only leads to more violence. If the West really wants to exert some sort of moral superiority over the perceived 'savage' Middle East, then perhaps some sort of restraint may have been shown.

Of course expecting that from a country which responded to the terrorism of a small group by attacking an entire country, well that's just silly.

starbelgrade · 03-05-2011 10:48PM

fontanalis wrote: »

Yes, lets all weep for that poor man.

I'm not all that concerned about Bin Laden's death.

What I am concerned about - and what is always a constant concern when it comes to the USA - is their constant, blatant disregard for human rights.

Bullseye1 · 03-05-2011 10:49PM

The Americans go to the Olympics to win gold medals. We go as it's all about partaking in the games. They have a winning attitude winning we could do with.

PK2008 · 03-05-2011 10:49PM

I think we can all agree that OBL was a world class arsehole who deserved what was coming to him but he himself would have classed himself as a 'proud muslim'

If OBL taught us anything its that misplaced 'pride', be it patriotism or whatever, is a hair away from turning anyone into a world class arsehole

USA! USA!

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