USA! USA!

CommuterIE · 03-05-2011 9:15pm #1

Why do so many Irish have a problem with patriotism?

So Americans like to be patriotic by flying the stars and stripes outside their houses... the British also do this, as do the French, Germans etc...

The Irish don't, and why the f*** not??? Have you people not got a sense of pride and dignity about your country? There is something very wrong about this country!

Local-womanizer · 03-05-2011 9:17pm

We need a catchy chant like USA! USA! USA!

Ireland is too long to chat like that see.

Saila · 03-05-2011 9:17pm

I cringe..very hard at this type of behaviour

CommuterIE · 03-05-2011 9:18pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

We need a catchy chant like USA! USA! USA!

Ireland is too long to chat like that see.

A bit of effort and it could be :pac:

Daegerty · 03-05-2011 9:18pm

The Great Irish inferiority complex. Especially among younger, more affluent urbanites. I suppose it is almost an integral part of our culture at this stage

"We should copy (some country) because they do everything so much better"

"We do things this way in Ireland... so backwards, we should be ashamed"

"Thats a bit Irish"

Saila · 03-05-2011 9:18pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

We need a catchy chant like USA! USA! USA!

Ireland is too long to chat like that see.

OLE OLE OLE OLE.....OLEEE OOLE

Sinfonia · 03-05-2011 9:19pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

There is something very wrong about this country!

Which is probably why we've not got a sense of pride and dignity about our country.

PK2008 · 03-05-2011 9:21pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

Why do so many Irish have a problem with patriotism?

So Americans like to be patriotic by flying the stars and stripes outside their houses... the British also do this, as do the French, Germans etc...

The Irish don't, and why the f*** not??? Have you people not got a sense of pride and dignity about your country? There is something very wrong about this country!

We have a long troubled history with nationalism in this country so it stands to reason although by all accounts the Germans have it worse, waving a flag in that country was liable to get you shot in the 50 years after WWII

Dravokivich · 03-05-2011 9:21pm

Feel the rythym..COOL RUNNINGS!!!!

gandalf · 03-05-2011 9:22pm

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

Local-womanizer · 03-05-2011 9:23pm

Saila wrote: »

OLE OLE OLE OLE.....OLEEE OOLE

You are only allowed to sing that in World Cup or European competitions and even then the Spanish get all narty about it. Keep thinking we are shouting:

"HELLO,HELLO,HELLO,HELLO......HELLLOOOO,HELLOOO"

starbelgrade · 03-05-2011 9:23pm

Sinfonia wrote: »

Which is probably why we've not got a sense of pride and dignity about our country.

Speak for yourself. I think Ireland had a lot going for it, not that you'd know it by reading the constant drone of whinging threads started about the place.

And unlike America, our sense of pride is not always based on a common bonding over wars & the deaths of others.

What America did on Monday is little to be proud of, let alone to be shouting about.

BraziliaNZ · 03-05-2011 9:23pm

Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception

threestripes · 03-05-2011 9:24pm

There was once a pile of patriots up here in the North, but alas many in the Republic didnt share the enthusiasm

BraziliaNZ · 03-05-2011 9:24pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

You are only allowed to sing that in World Cup or European competitions and even then the Spanish get all narty about it. Keep thinking we are shouting:

"HELLO,HELLO,HELLO,HELLO......HELLLOOOO,HELLOOO"

You should take some Spanish lessons

Dusty87 · 03-05-2011 9:24pm

Neighbour 1 : 'i see joe hung an irish flag in the garden'.
Neighbour 2 : 'probably in the RA or something'.

orourkeda · 03-05-2011 9:24pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeBYqL8nuSw

Turtyturd · 03-05-2011 9:24pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

You are only allowed to sing that in World Cup or European competitions and even then the Spanish get all narty about it. Keep thinking we are shouting:

"HELLO,HELLO,HELLO,HELLO......HELLLOOOO,HELLOOO"

You have obviously never been to any gathering of large amounts of Irish people.

We could go with IMF, IMF, IMF.

Predator_ · 03-05-2011 9:25pm

gandalf wrote: »

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

Who cares what that man says.

fontanalis · 03-05-2011 9:25pm

The problem with patriotism is that it can be used for a lot of ugly things; true the US does have a sense of pride that Ireland could do with a bit off, but you also see people being accused of being un-american etc
Take the lead up to the iraq war for example; many people felt patriotic with their flags and support the troops stickers, but a large number of people were ignorant about who carried out september 11th. Many thought Saddam Hussein was involved and others thought the hijackers were from iraq. I'm sure there was some overlap with patriotism and ignorance.

van der vart · 03-05-2011 9:27pm

You dont need a flag in your garden to be Irish or Proud

fontanalis · 03-05-2011 9:27pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

Speak for yourself. I think Ireland had a lot going for it, not that you'd know it by reading the constant drone of whinging threads started about the place.

And unlike America, our sense of pride is not always based on a common bonding over wars & the deaths of others.

What America did on Monday is little to be proud of, let alone to be shouting about.

Yes, they should be ashamed for killing a caveman that was responsible for so much misery over the last 10 or 15 years. Terrible really, that poor man who only wanted the best for others.

Predator_ · 03-05-2011 9:27pm

Dusty87 wrote: »

Neighbour 1 : 'i see joe hung an irish flag in the garden'.
Neighbour 2 : 'probably in the RA or something'.

Neighbor: 'nice to see a patriot hang a flag, unlike our British Neighbor 2'

CommuterIE · 03-05-2011 9:27pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

Speak for yourself. I think Ireland had a lot going for it, not that you'd know it by reading the constant drone of whinging threads started about the place.

And unlike America, our sense of pride is not always based on a common bonding over wars & the deaths of others.

What America did on Monday is little to be proud of, let alone to be shouting about.

What America did to itself on Monday was to inject more pride into itself, and I can gaurantee every single American will rejoice at it, and rightly so.

America doesn't base it's pride on the battlefield... fundamental to the Americans is the "American Dream"... which is a middle class family in a humble home...

NTMK · 03-05-2011 9:28pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

Why do so many Irish have a problem with patriotism?

So Americans like to be patriotic by flying the stars and stripes outside their houses... the British also do this, as do the French, Germans etc...

The Irish don't, and why the f*** not??? Have you people not got a sense of pride and dignity about your country? There is something very wrong about this country!

I've no problem with patriotism, its delusion I've a problem with.

starbelgrade · 03-05-2011 9:28pm

van der vart wrote: »

You dont need a flag in your garden to be Irish or Proud

You don't even need a garden.

rossie1977 · 03-05-2011 9:28pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

The Irish don't, and why the f*** not??? Have you people not got a sense of pride and dignity about your country? There is something very wrong about this country!There is something very wrong about this country!

its interesting the four countries you mention usa, france, germany and britain are the 4 biggest imperialistic nations along with japan and russia on planet earth last 150 years or so....................connection

we don't do imperialism very well in ireland truth be told

Local-womanizer · 03-05-2011 9:28pm

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

You should take some Spanish lessons

¿Por qué. ¿Alguna vez has escuchado a un hombre de Donegal hablan español? No es muy claro.*

*Hope google translate works!

landsleaving · 03-05-2011 9:29pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

Why do so many Irish have a problem with patriotism?

So Americans like to be patriotic by flying the stars and stripes outside their houses... the British also do this, as do the French, Germans etc...

The Irish don't, and why the f*** not??? Have you people not got a sense of pride and dignity about your country? There is something very wrong about this country!

I like to think we're smart enough to know that definining ourselves as individuals based on the random nature of our birth to a nation-state that differs in only minor ways from most other first-world nation-states is preposterous.

I like to think it, because when I go out in reality I see that people do have flags outside their houses. There's someone near me that does it, alternating between Ireland and Manchester United, desperately grasping for a commnity to affiliate himself with so he doesn't feel so alone in the world.

Do you have a flag outside OP?

landsleaving · 03-05-2011 9:31pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

What America did to itself on Monday was to inject more pride into itself, and I can gaurantee every single American will rejoice at it, and rightly so.

America doesn't base it's pride on the battlefield... fundamental to the Americans is the "American Dream"... which is a middle class family in a humble home...

The Americans who have the intelligence to dream of more than three bedrooms and four walls might manage to muster enough brainpower to not hoot n' holler because someone was killed. Not every American is the same.

superelliptic · 03-05-2011 9:31pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

Why do so many Irish have a problem with patriotism?

So Americans like to be patriotic by flying the stars and stripes outside their houses... the British also do this, as do the French, Germans etc...

The Irish don't, and why the f*** not??? Have you people not got a sense of pride and dignity about your country? There is something very wrong about this country!

We are a patriotic country - you're just focusing on the overt signs of patriotism.

The English, and French may show their patriotic side more, but the Germans are very wary of any overt signs of nationalism (ie flag waving, chanting, big public displays of nationalism) because they worry about a return to the bad ol days of the 40's. Also, the US may be a ragingly patriotic country, but that is actually one of their biggest causes of strife - the fact that any BS ideology can be passed off as being "morally just" simply by wrapping the flag around it - it happens all the time over there - a prime example being the xenophobic drivel that Fox News broadcasts, defending the war in iraq, the WMD's, Bush, Cheny, Rumsfeld, bashing Obamas nationality, trying to incite pograms against Muslims, calling anyone who disagrees with them "un-american".

In short, Irish people do not have to resort to that, because by and large, we are a thinking people.

van der vart · 03-05-2011 9:32pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

You don't even need a garden.

True

CommuterIE · 03-05-2011 9:32pm

landsleaving wrote: »

I like to think we're smart enough to know that definining ourselves as individuals based on the random nature of our birth to a nation-state that differs in only minor ways from most other first-world nation-states is preposterous.

I like to think it, because when I go out in reality I see that people do have flags outside their houses. There's someone near me that does it, alternating between Ireland and Manchester United, desperately grasping for a commnity to affiliate himself with so he doesn't feel so alone in the world.

Do you have a flag outside OP?

I do

It's small, and has been attached to the window for years...

starbelgrade · 03-05-2011 9:32pm

landsleaving wrote: »

Do you have a flag outside OP?

Probably has a horse outside.

fontanalis · 03-05-2011 9:33pm

superelliptic wrote: »

We are a patriotic country - you're just focusing on the overt signs of patriotism.

The English, and French may show their patriotic side more, but the Germans are very wary of any overt signs of nationalism (ie flag waving, chanting, big public displays of nationalism) because they worry about a return to the bad ol days of the 40's. Also, the US may be a ragingly patriotic country, but that is actually one of their biggest causes of strife - the fact that any BS ideology can be passed off as being "morally just" simply by wrapping the flag around it - it happens all the time over there - a prime example being the xenophobic drivel that Fox News broadcasts, defending the war in iraq, the WMD's, Bush, Cheny, Rumsfeld, bashing Obamas nationality, trying to incite pograms against Muslims, calling anyone who disagrees with them "un-american".

In short, Irish people do not have to resort to that, because by and large, we are a thinking people.

Except on election day.

Duckworth_Luas · 03-05-2011 9:33pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

we don't do imperialism very well in ireland truth be told

It's all meters, kilograms and that ****e now.

Killer Wench · 03-05-2011 9:33pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

Speak for yourself. I think Ireland had a lot going for it, not that you'd know it by reading the constant drone of whinging threads started about the place.

And unlike America, our sense of pride is not always based on a common bonding over wars & the deaths of others.

What America did on Monday is little to be proud of, let alone to be shouting about.

To clarify, what did America do?

superelliptic · 03-05-2011 9:33pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

We need a catchy chant like USA! USA! USA!

Ireland is too long to chat like that see.

What about OLE OLE OLE OLE

orourkeda · 03-05-2011 9:34pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

Probably has a horse outside.

It would be the supreme act of patriotism to do away with that pair.

Someone get Barack Obama on the phone

Sisko · 03-05-2011 9:35pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

Why do so many Irish have a problem with patriotism?

So Americans like to be patriotic by flying the stars and stripes outside their houses... the British also do this, as do the French, Germans etc...

1st of all, the Germans don't do this. 2nd, acting like the Americans do is not something to seek after. Makes you easily manipulated , the Americans and the Muslims share some similarities, the shots of the crowds chanting USA USA!! and making generally insanely ignorant comments when Osamas death was announced was not all that dissimilar from the crowds we see in random middle eastern country number 3 chanting allahu akbar! celebrating the deaths of US soldiers and so on.

Lastly most irish can be quite proud, we just show it differently.

Dusty87 wrote: »

Neighbour 1 : 'i see joe hung an irish flag in the garden'.
Neighbour 2 : 'probably in the RA or something'.

This is exactly an issue alright, the fear of being deemed a "ra head" has resulted in extremely self hating irish people , you see it all over boards.

landsleaving · 03-05-2011 9:35pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

I do It's small, and has been attached to the window for years...

Sounds rather tasteful actually.

Predator_ · 03-05-2011 9:37pm

Sisko wrote: »

This is exactly an issue alright, the fear of being deemed a "ra head" has resulted in extremely self hating irish people , you see it all over boards.

Weakness

prinz · 03-05-2011 9:38pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

The Irish don't, and why the f*** not??? Have you people not got a sense of pride and dignity about your country? There is something very wrong about this country!

..generally because I don't want to be associated with the knuckle-dragging halfwits who have laid claim to "Irishness" over the past few decades.

Also as has been noted, public displays of German "celebration" are a new phenomenon and is only slowly being accepted there. Began about 2006 with the hosting of the World Cup. Such displays are still restricted to major sporting events and open displays of German pride are still likely to be frowned upon outside of say a World Cup/Euro finals matchday. Some people will put up a flag, especially in the countryside/rural areas, but you'd be more likely to see a local Lander flag than a national flag.

Bullseye1 · 03-05-2011 9:38pm

A large section of Irelands population would be less offended if you hung a Union Jack outside your house. What does that tell you.

But in fairness sports does seem to be the one outlet when we Irish do let ourselves alittle auld patriotic celebration.

Dudess · 03-05-2011 9:38pm

CommuterIE wrote: »

Have you people

Daegerty wrote: »

"We do things this way in Ireland... so backwards, we should be ashamed"

I hate that sh1t too but not being into patriotism doesn't automatically mean a person defaults to the above - I buy into neither. Both place WAY too much stock in where a person is randomly born.

fontanalis wrote: »

Yes, they should be ashamed for killing a caveman that was responsible for so much misery over the last 10 or 15 years. Terrible really, that poor man who only wanted the best for others.

Why kill him? Why not prison? Islamic fundamentalism will soldier on even without him. Anyone who thinks the death of Bin Laden means extremism will die with him is living in dreamland.

orourkeda · 03-05-2011 9:38pm

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception

Sounds like ambition to me

squod · 03-05-2011 9:39pm

It struck me a few years ago while visiting Rome that attitudes and prosperity can change just by giving people a sense of pride in their roots.
I honestly believe the generations of people younger than myself should hold their country in some esteem and plan their futures here.

Giving the citizen a sense of belonging isn't a bad thing. This country is a wonderful place. Ruined by the maniacs who consistently vote for career criminals. We should kill ostracise those people.

rossie1977 · 03-05-2011 9:40pm

i think we need to bring lillian garcia over to sing our anthem might turn more people patriotic, amazing job she did last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MbxfPE_N2Y

fontanalis · 03-05-2011 9:40pm

Dudess wrote: »

I hate that sh1t too but not being into patriotism doesn't automatically mean a person defaults to the above - I buy into neither. Both place WAY too much stock in where a person is randomly born.

Why kill him? Why not prison? Islamic fundamentalism will soldier on even without him. Anyone who thinks the death of Bin Laden means extremism will die with him is living in dreamland.

They shouldn't feel a shamed of killing him that's for sure. I don't think extremism will die or either does Obama, one less savage in the world that's all.

starbelgrade · 03-05-2011 9:41pm

Killer Wench wrote: »

To clarify, what did America do?

Besides executing a man on foreign soil without trial?

Oh, nothing.

But then again, it's a small thing in comparison to the invasions & war crimes they've committed over the years.

orourkeda · 03-05-2011 9:41pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

i think we need to bring lillian garcia over to sing our anthem might turn more people patriotic, amazing job she did last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MbxfPE_N2Y

How does it take over 2 minutes to sing a national anthem that you could sing in less than 1 minute.

USA! USA!

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