N3 - Belturbet Bypass

Wild Bill · 21-02-2011 10:13pm

Save your wrath Bill. People are allowed to be partitionist if they so wish and in any case partition has nothing to do with this thread.

You will please note that I didn't introduce partitionism to this thread; I merely responded.

People are allowed to respond to partionist statements if they so wish, to paraphrase someone up above.

:cool:

Pete_Cavan · 22-02-2011 9:20am

theCaffers wrote: »

what muppets give our biggest contracts to foreign companies?

I'll take it you are also in favour of all Irish companies operating in UK, Poland, Middle East, etc. being excluded from tendering over there?

munchkin_utd · 22-02-2011 9:27am

ardmacha wrote: »

.............

Anyhow, back to to thread. The Cavan County Council document kindly posted by Clangy has "clanger" or two

for instance (page vi)
The proposed road improvement will improve connection to County Fermanagh and south County Donegal, so providing an alternative route instead of the N54 route via Sligo.

Not quite sure what this means, as the N54 goes to Monaghan? Probably meant the N4.

Good scheme though, and the type of infill of the network that needs to continue.

The N54 reference is probably the alternative route to Donegal, via Lisnaskea, Maguiresbridge and north of Lough Erne, which also effectively by-passes the worst of Enniskillen too.
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Butlersbridge,+County+Cavan,+Ireland&daddr=54.3033,-7.48264+to:donegal+town&geocode=FXOnOAMdmWuP_ymhunQXEBJeSDGA5DGXqccACg%3BFUSaPAMd8NKN_ymRM9z4LzleSDEBfsqesj8PEw%3BFRf2QQMdhj2E_ykXHP0XM6hfSDGwdDGXqccACg&hl=en&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=10&via=1&sll=54.371759,-7.492676&sspn=0.51438,1.680908&ie=UTF8&ll=54.287675,-7.288055&spn=0.662135,1.783905&z=10

Its the route that the McGeehans busses direct to Donegal took before they started the association with Bus Eireann, so its more than a viable route to get to Donegal town quickly.

EDIT: the sligo reference is indeed probably some sort of mis print

oharach · 22-02-2011 2:00pm

theCaffers wrote: »

pretty lame answer nordylan. 'cop yerself on'. Give me better

id say your profile is a building contractor who votes fianna fail..

typical who'd be on this section of the forum of course.

out

Ok then.

Since the project constitutes a 'building site' which will last more than 6 months, the N Ireland company will be considered to have a permanent establishment in Ireland, and will be taxable on profits resulting from the project like any other Irish company. Any workers seconded from N Ireland, presuming they are there for more than 183 days in the tax year, will be taxed on their employment at ROI rates. This all boils down to the UK-Ireland tax treaty.

There's really no issue of losing tax.

ardmacha · 22-02-2011 8:12pm

EDIT: the sligo reference is indeed probably some sort of mis print

They might reasonably have said N4 via Sligo or N54 via Newtownbutler as alternative routes to south Donegal. No matter, the N3 improvements will enhance the direct route.

munchkin_utd · 23-02-2011 10:35am

what the hell??

from page ii re: NEED FOR THE SCHEME

The National Development Plan 2000 – 2006 (NDP)
includes the objective of providing further major improvement
to the N3 (Dublin/Belturbet/Enniskillen/Derry) route.

Wierd.
I never knew the N3 was a strategic road to Derry!!

munchkin_utd · 14-04-2011 8:21am

UPDATE:

Improvements to N3 Butlersbridge to Belturbet Road to start in May
Apr 12 2011

A major road improvement scheme in County Cavan has taken a significant step.

A contractor has been appointed for the planned works on the N3 Butlersbridge to Belturbet road.

The project will cost in the region of €36 million euro and will involve the construction of approximately 7 kilometres of single-carriageway road, including a bypass of Belturbet Town.

Work is now expected to begin on the site in May of this year and last for about two years.

http://www.northernsound.ie/news-details.php?nid=6467&action=newsdetails

JupiterKid · 14-04-2011 10:41pm

I was up in Enniskillen and was driving along this route today and it looks like they have already started clearing vegetation and trees where the route will join the end of the N3 Cavan Bypass section.

send her on · 27-04-2011 3:11pm

Its startin' on Tuesday

spacetweek · 03-05-2011 9:47am

send her on wrote: »

Its startin' on Tuesday

So it starts today then?

send her on · 03-05-2011 7:39pm

correct

veryangryman · 03-05-2011 10:02pm

There must be (at least) 10 other schemes that should have gone above this

Slane bypass
Galway bypass
Claregalway bypass
Adare bypass
Newlands X
M11 gap
N52 Tyrellspass-Ardee
Dualling of Monaghan bypass
N20 (north AND south)
M18 Gort-Tuam

What a waste. Ive never had a real issue driving through this place

Pete_Cavan · 03-05-2011 10:25pm

veryangryman wrote: »

There must be (at least) 10 other schemes that should have gone above this

Slane bypass
Galway bypass
Claregalway bypass
Adare bypass
Newlands X
M11 gap
N52 Tyrellspass-Ardee
Dualling of Monaghan bypass
N20 (north AND south)
M18 Gort-Tuam

All of which are either not ready to proceed or in a completely different price bracket.

L1011 · 04-05-2011 7:14pm

This was entirely down to what schemes were shovel-ready; its not even the most needed bypass on the N3 (that'd be Virginia) but it was RTG.

Wild Bill · 07-05-2011 11:20pm

MYOB wrote: »

This was entirely down to what schemes were shovel-ready; its not even the most needed bypass on the N3 (that'd be Virginia) but it was RTG.

Which is a darn good reason to start!

munchkin_utd · 09-05-2011 10:43am

status "ready to go" has just changed to "on the go"!!

Work on Belturbet Bypass beginning today
May 09 2011

Work is due to commence this morning on the Belturbet Bypass.

The contract for the bypass was signed on Friday afternoon in the town of Belturbet.

Sinn Fein Councillor Damien Brady says the people of Belturbet are a long time campaigning for this bypass -to ensure the safety of motorists and to reduce traffic congestion in the town.

Speaking to Northern Sound Cllr Brady says this is a great day for the town and for the county of Cavan.

http://www.northernsound.ie/news-details.php?nid=6664

serfboard · 10-05-2011 6:20pm

Northern Sound wrote:

Speaking to Northern Sound Cllr Brady says this is a great day for the town and for the county of Cavan.

... and all the roadgeeks on boards who finally have a new road-build to talk about

Who'll be first with the pics ... let the drooling commence!

Wild Bill · 11-05-2011 6:01am

serfboard wrote: »

... and all the roadgeeks on boards who finally have a new road-build to talk about

Who'll be first with the pics ... let the drooling commence!

Maybe we should organize a field trip?
-bring the sunscreen and wellies :cool:

Plowman · 11-05-2011 12:17pm

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Amtmann · 12-05-2011 2:36pm

Ordinarily I would take the photos. But Belturbet is a little out of my range, and single carriageways don't it for me like duallers do

veryangryman · 12-05-2011 3:09pm

Feckit!

They havent invented digicams in Longford yet dont ya know...

Bummer1234 · 13-05-2011 9:24am

Tremelo wrote: »

Ordinarily I would take the photos. But Belturbet is a little out of my range, and single carriageways don't it for me like duallers do

Im a Belturbet man So ill try and get you a picture when i can

munchkin_utd · 13-05-2011 9:55am

veryangryman wrote: »

Feckit!

They havent invented digicams in Longford yet dont ya know...

whats longford got to do with anything?

veryangryman · 13-05-2011 9:56am

munchkin_utd wrote: »

whats longford got to do with anything?

That is more a statement than a question. I agree

Bummer1234 · 17-05-2011 2:14pm

Went past it and i can see they have started but nothing serious yet

Irishlad11 · 23-08-2011 4:13pm

Construction has really took off now. Trees have been cleared and fences have been put up - you can now clearly see the route of the by-pass driving along the present road. They have all the huts for the workers pass the Church Of Ireland church. Think they might be starting to build the bridge across the Erne since the seem to be digging the route down to it from Staghall roundabout.

Irish and Proud · 28-01-2012 11:25pm

BUMP!!!

Does anyone have any info on how this scheme is progressing?

Wild Bill · 29-01-2012 12:13am

Irish and Proud wrote: »

BUMP!!!

Pete_Cavan · 29-01-2012 12:32am

Irish and Proud wrote: »

BUMP!!!

Does anyone have any info on how this scheme is progressing?

PT McWilliams still hauling plenty of stone despite going into administration, I'd say Ferrovial are keeping him on life support until they are finished with his plant. I was talking to a guy a while ago about this project and was telling him about PT going into administration, Howley Civil Engineering going tits up when working on the M3 for Ferrovial and I think there was a third firm who went out of business when working with Ferrovial, and he described them as a black widow, very apt.

The last time I was up that way there was very little to be seen from the existing road, they are building the bridge first which is in the middle and working towards the tie-ins. I'll take some photos when there is something to be seen from the road.

Irish and Proud · 29-01-2012 1:25am

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

PT McWilliams still hauling plenty of stone despite going into administration, I'd say Ferrovial are keeping him on life support until they are finished with his plant. I was talking to a guy a while ago about this project and was telling him about PT going into administration, Howley Civil Engineering going tits up when working on the M3 for Ferrovial and I think there was a third firm who went out of business when working with Ferrovial, and he described them as a black widow, very apt.

The last time I was up that way there was very little to be seen from the existing road, they are building the bridge first which is in the middle and working towards the tie-ins. I'll take some photos when there is something to be seen from the road.

Many thanks for that Pete!

Let's hope the project doesn't stall. The NRA has the contractor listed as Ferrovial Agroman PT McWilliams Ltd. J.V - maybe I'm wrong, but I did think the pre-qual process was for eliminating any interested party with insufficient assets thereby avoiding time wasting by picking out the more robust contenders for the actual tendering process.

Fingers Crossed Though!

Sponge Bob · 29-01-2012 3:51am

Irish and Proud wrote: »

I did think the pre-qual process was for eliminating any interested party with insufficient assets

They did have assets

stevielenihan · 14-02-2012 3:25pm

would anyone be able to take any photos?

bureau2009 · 14-02-2012 3:31pm

I hope that everyone will support local businesses and shops in Belturbet.

The people there are exceptionally nice and friendly but the local economy needs all the help it can get.

I used to be familiar with Belturbet many years ago - sadly it hasn't developed in the way other towns closer to Dublin have in the intervening years.

spacetweek · 15-02-2012 1:15am

Went there for a stag about 2 years ago, loved it.

Skopzz · 15-02-2012 2:29am

bureau2009 wrote: »

I hope that everyone will support local businesses and shops in Belturbet.

The people there are exceptionally nice and friendly but the local economy needs all the help it can get.

I used to be familiar with Belturbet many years ago - sadly it hasn't developed in the way other towns closer to Dublin have in the intervening years.

As long as you're cheaper and competitive, I would have no problem shopping local. I trust you'll live up your side of bargain too...

withless · 13-03-2012 10:34am

I would say there was a decent amount of house and apartment building done in the 'boom'. How much of it is paying its way and has residents is any ones guess.

The knocking of the Convent was a big mistake I think.

There will be big changes in the town once all that traffic is diverted. Hopefully they will take the opportunity to really do something positive.

Wild Bill · 13-03-2012 9:38pm

withless wrote: »

The knocking of the Convent was a big mistake I think.

:eek:

Are we expecting a large upturn in Cavan females heading for the nunnery?

Bummer1234 · 18-03-2012 3:40pm

New Bridge crossing the Erne in the distance.

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Storm2 · 18-03-2012 6:39pm

marmurr1916 wrote: »

It seems probable that the NRA are planning a 2+2 from the northern end of the M3 to the start of the Cavan bypass.

Presumably they'll upgrade the Cavan bypass (which is already WS2) to 2+2 and the N3 Belturbet bypass/border section will be 2+2 also.

I think that the NRA wants most of the National Primaries between Dublin and the provinces to be at least 2+2.

Of the 11 primary routes to/from Dublin, five are already/will soon be mainly motorway or DC (1, 6, 7, 8, 9).

The N10 will soon be basically a spur off the M9 and the N/M11 is likely to be upgraded to mainly motorway/DC within the next few years.

Once the M3 is finished a substantial part of that route will be motorway/DC.

If the Kells to border section is upgraded to 2+2 then the entire route will be motorway/DC.

That leaves the rest of the N/M2, the rest of the N/M4 and the N5 for upgrading.

The NRA has plans to build a HQDC (which will probably be redesignated to motorway) from Mullingar to Longford and will probably upgrade the Longford to Collooney section to at least 2+2 eventually.

If the Slane bypass goes ahead as DC, it's only a matter of time before the section between the Ashbourne bypass and there gets upgraded to DC.

After that, there'll probably be un upgrade of the N2 from Ardee to the border as 2+2.

AFAIK, the current plans for the N5 are to upgrade the Westport to Castlebar section to 2+2. It would be relatively easy to upgrade the rest of the route to 2+2 (including the WS2 Charlestown bypass) eventually.

Of course the Greens (plus the state of the economy) will stall these plans for years but they'll probably get built under a new government.

All those improvements, along with the improvements to the Atlantic Corridor routes, mean that Ireland will eventually have one of the best primary road networks in Europe.

Regarding the N5, I read on Wikipedia that it's only going to be WS2 bypassing all the towns. Will post again once I find something more robust.

EDIT: Just noticed the N5 section in your post.

johnbk · 18-03-2012 9:50pm

Great to see a picture. Anymore would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.

Wild Bill · 26-03-2012 7:48am

Bummer1234 wrote: »

New Bridge crossing the Erne in the distance.

Look at all that rock in the river! - I'm surprised that isn't threatening the spawning ground of the Seldom-spotted Cavan Midge (Midgeicus cavoniumo rarelyseen) or some other priceless part of our fauna :rolleyes:

Did they not do an EIA?

withless · 28-03-2012 11:34pm

Annagh lake has been diverted around for at least a week. Hope they finish that part soon and the regular road opens again. Going to Cavan/Dublin is a nightmare at the moment.

munchkin_utd · 29-03-2012 8:34am

withless wrote: »

Annagh lake has been diverted around for at least a week. Hope they finish that part soon and the regular road opens again. Going to Cavan/Dublin is a nightmare at the moment.

its only till tomorrow aparantly

Notice is hereby given that Cavan County Council has made an order to close to public traffic the roads described hereunder from 0800 hours on Tuesday, 20 March to 1700 hours on Friday, 30 March 2012 inclusive for construction works for the N3 Butlersbridge to Belturbet Road Improvement Scheme.

Road Closed: N3 Butlersbridge to Belturbet Road from its junction with the N54 Clones Road at Butlersbridge to the junction with the R197 at Sugarloaf, Belturbet.

Alternative Route: Access from Cavan will be via the N54 Butlersbridge to Clones road to Gannon’s Cross and the R197 Drumalee road to the N3 at Sugarloaf, Belturbet and vice versa.

All enquiries regarding the above road closures should be directed to Cavan Area Roads Office, on 049 437 8700

http://www.cavancoco.ie/cavanweb/publish/domain/cavancoco/Default.aspx?StructureID_str=255&guid=676

Ted Mosby · 30-03-2012 2:09pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

Look at all that rock in the river! - I'm surprised that isn't threatening the spawning ground of the Seldom-spotted Cavan Midge (Midgeicus cavoniumo rarelyseen) or some other priceless part of our fauna :rolleyes:

Did they not do an EIA?

[irony on] Thanks for the heads up, must lob an objection in. Perhaps it will force Cavan and the NRA to scrap the scheme in its entirety and get taxpayers' money back off the landowners

A small bit of enforcement from the Guards will solve the alleged safety issues [irony off]

dubhthach · 31-03-2012 9:46pm

Ted Mosby wrote: »

[irony on] Thanks for the heads up, must lob an objection in. Perhaps it will force Cavan and the NRA to scrap the scheme in its entirety and get taxpayers' money back off the landowners

A small bit of enforcement from the Guards will solve the alleged safety issues [irony off]

Surely the [Sarcasm] / [idealism] tags would be better used above eh?

Wild Bill · 01-04-2012 9:59pm

dubhthach wrote: »

Surely the [Sarcasm] / [idealism] tags would be better used above eh?

Like :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::eek:;);):cool::p:p:rolleyes::rolleyes::D:pac::pac:

Bummer1234 · 02-04-2012 9:31am

Some more pictures guys.

munchkin_utd · 02-04-2012 11:31am

Bummer1234 wrote: »

Some more pictures guys.
....

is that from the start of the scheme on the Cavan side looking north?

i.e. here: http://maps.google.de/maps?q=Cavan+ireland&hl=de&ll=54.06241,-7.390451&spn=0.017883,0.096817&sll=35.08227,-118.632774&sspn=0.027498,0.048409&t=h&gl=de&hnear=Cavan,+County+Cavan,+Irland&z=14&layer=c&cbll=54.062398,-7.390452&panoid=QmOkyoK1fMQ251ESfFBakw&cbp=11,317.63,,0,6.62

Bummer1234 · 02-04-2012 11:36am

munchkin_utd wrote: »

is that from the start of the scheme on the Cavan side looking north?

i.e. here: http://maps.google.de/maps?q=Cavan+ireland&hl=de&ll=54.06241,-7.390451&spn=0.017883,0.096817&sll=35.08227,-118.632774&sspn=0.027498,0.048409&t=h&gl=de&hnear=Cavan,+County+Cavan,+Irland&z=14&layer=c&cbll=54.062398,-7.390452&panoid=QmOkyoK1fMQ251ESfFBakw&cbp=11,317.63,,0,6.62

Thats the spot yea.

johnbk · 03-04-2012 8:33pm

Great to see the pictures, thanks.

N3 - Belturbet Bypass

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