John Waters: "Dublin never quite seceded from the British empire"

DrumSteve wrote: »

Your Blue Peter badge is winging its way to you as we converse.

Reported for west-brit reference to the odious dual emblem of Imperial naval might and the cant of British child propaganda.

Shame on you. This is an Irish forum.

dvpower wrote: »

wtf?
There are some people who are up in arms about being called "unirish" who also condemn Irishness?

Do these people exist anywhere outside your own imagination?

If you read the threads here even once a week you will see what I am talking about.

I also said the SAME Dubliners, not ALL Dubliners. Christ almighty.

dvpower wrote: »

WHAT THE F**K!

He means that due to some unique and shared historical/cultural affinity, people in Dublin and Liverpool feel sad when their loved ones perish in disasters.

As oppsoed to say, Galway and Leeds, where they throw street parties instead.

Seanchai wrote: »

Interestingly, I did a quick search of DrumSteve's posting history as I had my suspicions when I saw "proud Irishman" next to "Dubliner" used by somebody who posts in Afterhours and sure enough he's a regular poster on the British soccer fora (469 posts!), and seems to have a particular interest in the soccer team in the city of ... Liverpool.

Well that was creepy...

Originally Posted by BrockSamson
In the 5th Century, the fierce Saxon and Angle tribes migrated to England and pushed the ancient Britons to the frontiers of the island. The noble Waters family are descendants of these invading tribesmen

Anglo-Saxons is the term often used to describe the invading Germanic tribes in the south and east of Great Britain from the early 5th century AD, and their creation of the English nation

looks like his ancestors formed the english nation maybe he should write about that

Dionysus wrote: »

1) Even if his ancestors were of English origin, it is antediluvian in the extreme to expect a person to be a prisoner of his/her origin. The notion is preposterous on so many awful levels.

2) I don't have access to my copy of MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland at present, but I am absolutely certain that the Waters surname is recorded as an anglicisation of several Irish surnames. The late Seán de Bhulbh records it as a polygenetic surname being, among other origins, an anglicisation of the Mac Conuisce sept, which itself was a branch of the Mac Mathúna family of Monaghan.

It is primitive and extreme but to the point i agree with that and is the tone of the article in general my post was to point this out

James Stephens wrote: “Most of the female opinion I heard was not alone unfavourable, but actively and viciously hostile to the rising. This was noticeable among the best-dressed classes of our population; the worst dressed, indeed the female dregs of Dublin life, expressed a like antagonism, and almost in similar language. The view expressed was ‘I hope every man of them will be shot’.”
Because of the odd cultural dynamics nowadays attending these discussions, such accounts are usually presented as reflecting badly on the rebels.

In a sense, Dublin never quite seceded from the British empire, but seems to gaze forlornly across the Irish Sea as though to a lost lover cast aside in a moment of petulance. In this sense the Easter Rising might reasonably be said to have failed to achieve its primary objective.

Crosáidí wrote: »

If your implying i have a very narrow view of what it means to be irish , you're wrong, i'm a dub, all my family are dubs, we are as a country becoming too anglo-centric, some people on here stick their noses in the air at any thing Irish, they think it backward, there's even a thread about 'when you felt ashamed to be irish'. I've honestly never been ashamed to be Irish. I love the place, people and the environment that has shaped me into being an Irishman. There is a perception amongst a lot of Irish people that other nations laugh at us and our ways. this self-loathing really annoys the hell out of me

I wasn't trying to imply anything. The point I'm trying to make is that that it's completely possible to dislike many aspects of Irish culture and still be Irish, to criticise Irish society and still be Irish, and to be ashamed of the acts of fellow Irishmen and still be Irish.