Chip on my shoulder? Third level graduates.

couldntthink · 22-04-2011 12:22AM #1

Why do so many people with a third level education think they're better/smarter/socially superior than people who don't have one.

Even on boards when people talk about idiotic things that people say, I see things like "s/he said that. And they went to university!!!"

It really pisses me off. Just because you've gone through third level education doesn't make you any more intelligent or upper class.

I was accepted to NUIG and GMIT etc, had a good leaving cert, and even did an engineering course for a while. Wasn't for me, dropped out and did a trade instead. I now enjoy my work, earn good money, and I am very nearly my own boss, all within 2 years of finishing. I have travelled all over the world and never had trouble getting work.

However I still notice a certain attitude from people who have a degree or a cert or whatever. They sometimes talk to you like they're somehow better than you. I have even had instances of people like this trying to tell me how to do my job. Even in the media I have noticed this attitude from time to time.

I consider myself to be broad minded, well read, and quite knowledgable on a lot of things. I know a lot of graduates who are one step short of a certified clown who make me wonder how the hell did they make it through the day, nevermind college.

I know I've got quite a chip on my shoulder, but am I the only one who sees this.

Please don't say anything like "ignore them/live your life etc etc". This pisses me off and saying that kind of **** won't dissipate my anger. I just want to hear if anyone else sees this.

Biggins · 22-04-2011 12:23AM

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Who the frak nominated tonight After Hours, Claire Rainer night!

ArtSmart · 22-04-2011 12:25AM

assuming a/ your post is for real and b/ you're ready for the upcoming onslaught, let me say this.

3rd level education itself is a good thing. try it.

Dudess · 22-04-2011 12:25AM

couldntthink wrote: »

I know I've got quite a chip on my shoulder, but am I the only one who sees this.

Is your chosen trade carpentry?

Storminateacup · 22-04-2011 12:26AM

hahah gmit.

what did you do in that college? bogsnorkling?

jive · 22-04-2011 12:27AM

College is easy I don't understand why people think they are intelligent just because they have a degree. There are so many clowns in college and I know people will say "OH BUT ENGINEERING/SCIENCE/MEDICINE/input course are so hard" but they're really not. You study what you're given, you go in and do a few exams at the end of every year. Any half wit could get a degree.

(coming from someone who is doing a degree)

ArtSmart · 22-04-2011 12:28AM

Storminateacup wrote: »

hahah gmit.

what did you do in that college? bogsnorkling?

er, the PC term is muffdiving.

Blondini · 22-04-2011 12:28AM

couldntthink wrote: »

Why do so many people with a third level education think they're better/smarter/socially superior than people who don't have one.

Even on boards when people talk about idiotic things that people say, I see things like "s/he said that. And they went to university!!!"

It really pisses me off. Just because you've gone through third level education doesn't make you any more intelligent or upper class.

I was accepted to NUIG and GMIT etc, had a good leaving cert, and even did an engineering course for a while. Wasn't for me, dropped out and did a trade instead. I now enjoy my work, earn good money, and I am very nearly my own boss, all within 2 years of finishing. I have travelled all over the world and never had trouble getting work.

However I still notice a certain attitude from people who have a degree or a cert or whatever. They sometimes talk to you like they're somehow better than you. I have even had instances of people like this trying to tell me how to do my job. Even in the media I have noticed this attitude from time to time.

I consider myself to be broad minded, well read, and quite knowledgable on a lot of things. I know a lot of graduates who are one step short of a certified clown who make me wonder how the hell did they make it through the day, nevermind college.

I know I've got quite a chip on my shoulder, but am I the only one who sees this.

Please don't say anything like "ignore them/live your life etc etc". This pisses me off and saying that kind of **** won't dissipate my anger. I just want to hear if anyone else sees this.

I have a degree and I am better than you.

JoseJones · 22-04-2011 12:28AM

Sounds like an inferiority complex to me tbh.

Havermeyer · 22-04-2011 12:29AM

ArtSmart wrote: »

assuming a/ your post is for real and b/ you're ready for the upcoming onslaught, let me say this.

3rd level education itself is a good thing. try it.

I believe the OP stated in his OP that he did try it.

couldntthink · 22-04-2011 12:29AM

ArtSmart wrote: »

assuming a/ your post is for real and b/ you're ready for the upcoming onslaught, let me say this.

3rd level education itself is a good thing. try it.

I know, I am ready for it. I'm pretty sure there are more graduates than tradesmen on boards anyway.

And read the OP again. I did try it. And I agree it is a good thing. Obviously it is. It's not for me and that's fine. My problem is with the people who think it makes them superior to people who didn't.

oppenheimer1 · 22-04-2011 12:29AM

couldntthink wrote: »

Why do so many people with a third level education think they're better/smarter/socially superior than people who don't have one.

Even on boards when people talk about idiotic things that people say, I see things like "s/he said that. And they went to university!!!"

It really pisses me off. Just because you've gone through third level education doesn't make you any more intelligent or upper class.

I was accepted to NUIG and GMIT etc, had a good leaving cert, and even did an engineering course for a while. Wasn't for me, dropped out and did a trade instead. I now enjoy my work, earn good money, and I am very nearly my own boss, all within 2 years of finishing. I have travelled all over the world and never had trouble getting work.

However I still notice a certain attitude from people who have a degree or a cert or whatever. They sometimes talk to you like they're somehow better than you. I have even had instances of people like this trying to tell me how to do my job. Even in the media I have noticed this attitude from time to time.

I consider myself to be broad minded, well read, and quite knowledgable on a lot of things. I know a lot of graduates who are one step short of a certified clown who make me wonder how the hell did they make it through the day, nevermind college.

I know I've got quite a chip on my shoulder, but am I the only one who sees this.

Please don't say anything like "ignore them/live your life etc etc". This pisses me off and saying that kind of **** won't dissipate my anger. I just want to hear if anyone else sees this.

When a graduate says something stupid people find it surprising as it requires an above average degree of intelligence to complete a university education.

As for yourself, with the increased affordability of university since the mid nineties, a lack of a university education often showed a lack of ambition or a lower intellect. Of course there are exceptions (like yourself) but generally this holds true and its where the prejudice stems from

orourkeda · 22-04-2011 12:29AM

Blondini wrote: »

I have a degree and I am better than you.

You must be a law graduate

JoseJones · 22-04-2011 12:29AM

jive wrote: »

College is easy I don't understand why people think they are intelligent just because they have a degree. There are so many clowns in college and I know people will say "OH BUT ENGINEERING/SCIENCE/MEDICINE/input course are so hard" but they're really not. You study what you're given, you go in and do a few exams at the end of every year. Any half wit could get a degree.

(coming from someone who is doing a degree)

Do you mind me asking what you study?

couldntthink · 22-04-2011 12:31AM

Blondini wrote: »

I have a degree and I am better than you.

At least you come out and say it like you see it.:D

Storminateacup · 22-04-2011 12:32AM

Clearly Jives not studying english since he seems to be a bit stingy with the full stops.

jive · 22-04-2011 12:32AM

JoseJones wrote: »

Do you mind me asking what you study?

Medicine but I'm not sure why that's relevant.

desertcircus · 22-04-2011 12:32AM

JoseJones wrote: »

Do you mind me asking what you study?

Medicenginience, I'd guess...

ArtSmart · 22-04-2011 12:32AM

jive wrote: »

College is easy I don't understand why people think they are intelligent just because they have a degree. There are so many clowns in college and I know people will say "OH BUT ENGINEERING/SCIENCE/MEDICINE/input course are so hard" but they're really not. You study what you're given, you go in and do a few exams at the end of every year. Any half wit could get a degree.

(coming from someone who is doing a degree)

and some full wits.

i actually know someone who may not have opposable thumbs qualifying this year

previous user · 22-04-2011 12:33AM

Does it really matter these days, we're all pretty much equally unemployed.

Dudess · 22-04-2011 12:34AM

Can't say I've encountered many instances of it tbh - the odd time yeah: good idiot filter though.
OP, and I don't mean this in a smart way, but do you maybe have a regret you didn't complete third level? Not that there's anything wrong with not doing so (and it doesn't make a person more intelligent - it does however give the mind a good workout, even if you're a crammer; you still learn lots) and a trade is hugely beneficial too, but when you have the ability to complete third level, are you maybe wondering "What if?"

theboss80 · 22-04-2011 12:34AM

Hope your trade was in Formwork Carpentry so you literally can build a bridge and get over it

JoseJones · 22-04-2011 12:35AM

jive wrote: »

Medicine but I'm not sure why that's relevant.

It is relevant because it's the only one (unless you did another course too) you're qualified to give an opinion on, so don't assume every other course is like that.

desertcircus · 22-04-2011 12:35AM

Also: I'm not sure it's fair to class people as snobs on the basis of the line about "they even went to university and still said that". On a strictly logical basis, it says nothing about people who didn't go to college, simply that people who did should be smart enough (assuming some degree of smarts is required to get a degree) to avoid saying obviously stupid stuff.

It's like saying "I can't believe he couldn't catch up with the bus. He plays football and all"; it's not an implication that non-footballers are bad, just that you'd expect a certain minimum fitness level from footballers.

ArtSmart · 22-04-2011 12:35AM

nummnutts wrote: »

I believe the OP stated in his OP that he did try it.

couldntthink wrote: »

I know, I am ready for it. I'm pretty sure there are more graduates than tradesmen on boards anyway.

And read the OP again. I did try it. And I agree it is a good thing. Obviously it is. It's not for me and that's fine. My problem is with the people who think it makes them superior to people who didn't.

yes, but i'm reading between the lines.

IOW why post this topic at all, ultimately?

so try it. again. though i would imagine something in arts like English would prob suit better.

rubensni · 22-04-2011 12:37AM

I've met some real boneheads with degrees. Having a third level education has more to do with class than mental ability.

jive · 22-04-2011 12:40AM

JoseJones wrote: »

It is relevant because it's the only one (unless you did another course too) you're qualified to give an opinion on, so don't assume every other course is like that.

I did another course as well. Can I give my opinion on that? I also have friends doing various other degrees, can I not pass my opinion on what I've been told from other courses?

You sound like you find college very difficult. Perhaps you are struggling because you are in the wrong course?

Also given the retards I know that have gotten degrees from various colleges in various different subjects I can draw my conclusions from that.

KittyeeTrix · 22-04-2011 12:41AM

jive wrote: »

College is easy I don't understand why people think they are intelligent just because they have a degree. There are so many clowns in college and I know people will say "OH BUT ENGINEERING/SCIENCE/MEDICINE/input course are so hard" but they're really not. You study what you're given, you go in and do a few exams at the end of every year. Any half wit could get a degree.

(coming from someone who is doing a degree)

Any half wit can get a degree is something I would agree with but at the same time it takes a bit of hard work to get a decent degree.
Doing science myself and being honest I find it tough going to keep getting A's and B's in my exams and assignments.....
If I was happy enough to just settle for passing my exams then I'd probably be able to say it was easier.
Edit: I'm not implying that you don't get high grades Jive, just saying that I don't find it that easy:)

Havermeyer · 22-04-2011 12:42AM

Why not try reading the lines, rather than between them.

By your reasoning, why post any topic then? It's as valid a question as any I've seen in this forum of late.

jive · 22-04-2011 12:43AM

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

Any half wit can get a degree is something I would agree with but at the same time it takes a bit of hard work to get a decent degree.
Doing science myself and being honest I find it tough going to keep getting A's and B's in my exams and assignments.....
If I was happy enough to just settle for passing my exams then I'd probably be able to say it was easier.

Yes, I'd agree that it's definitely difficult to get a 1st, perhaps a 2.1 could also be considered difficult; those 2 are pretty much what you need to be competitive at least. Any spastic can get a degree here (not sure how it is in other countries), the proof is in the pudding. I know plenty of dopes with degrees. So anyone who acts elitist due to having a degree can go suck a lemon because there is nothing to be elitist about.

flahavaj · 22-04-2011 12:44AM

couldntthink wrote: »

Why do so many people with a third level education think they're better/smarter/socially superior than people who don't have one.

Even on boards when people talk about idiotic things that people say, I see things like "s/he said that. And they went to university!!!"

It really pisses me off. Just because you've gone through third level education doesn't make you any more intelligent or upper class.

I was accepted to NUIG and GMIT etc, had a good leaving cert, and even did an engineering course for a while. Wasn't for me, dropped out and did a trade instead. I now enjoy my work, earn good money, and I am very nearly my own boss, all within 2 years of finishing. I have travelled all over the world and never had trouble getting work.

However I still notice a certain attitude from people who have a degree or a cert or whatever. They sometimes talk to you like they're somehow better than you. I have even had instances of people like this trying to tell me how to do my job. Even in the media I have noticed this attitude from time to time.

I consider myself to be broad minded, well read, and quite knowledgable on a lot of things. I know a lot of graduates who are one step short of a certified clown who make me wonder how the hell did they make it through the day, nevermind college.

I know I've got quite a chip on my shoulder, but am I the only one who sees this.

Please don't say anything like "ignore them/live your life etc etc". This pisses me off and saying that kind of **** won't dissipate my anger. I just want to hear if anyone else sees this.

You sound very bitter for someone who claims to be so happy about their life choices.

Chip on my shoulder? Third level graduates.

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