Chip on my shoulder? Third level graduates.

pragmatic1

Poor Craythur wrote: »

Pragmatic, medicine is no harder than science and engineering. That's a HUGE misconception. In fact the science learned in medicine is piss easy, a science degree is much more in-depth. Source: friend who has science degree and is now doing a medicine degree.

Have a science degree myself. The reason I'd consider medicine a more difficult discipline would be the length of time it takes to be fully qualified and the fact that students have to work in hospitals in addition to study.

Poor Craythur

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Have a science degree myself. The reason I'd consider medicine a more difficult discipline would be the length of time it takes to be fully qualified and the fact that students have to work in hospitals in addition to study.

Medicine is more full-on, no doubt, but I don't think it's harder intellectually.

amacachi

jive wrote: »

Not sure. I'm assuming it's the same as undergrad but I'm probably wrong

You're right, you are wrong. Failing in the years that count towards your degree mark usually means you only get an ordinary degree which leaves it pretty damn hard to get into a postgrad.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Most of my mates never went to college some would be better informed and more capable of dealing with the real world than some who I did go to college with.

Key word is some, you'll always get asses who look down on others whether that be dubs on culchies, culchies on ducs, grads on non-grads yada yada yada

Doesn't really matter, if you define someone by their occupation or demographic without actually knowing them then you really are a bit of a prat. But ime thankfully they are in the minority. Maybe not in AH though

jive

Aron Wet Forehand wrote: »

Doesn't really matter, if you define someone by their occupation or demographic without actually knowing them then you really are a bit of a prat. But ime thankfully they are in the minority. Maybe not in AH though

QFT

Naikon

Poor Craythur wrote: »

Pragmatic, medicine is no harder than science and engineering. That's a HUGE misconception. In fact the science learned in medicine is piss easy, a science degree is much more in-depth. Source: friend who has science degree and is now doing a medicine degree.



I know. Well, they'll be friends with them but still think our degree is worth more.

HEARSAY!

Besides, who gives a **** what these people think? Chances are, if they are lacking in subject matter to talk about besides academic masturbation, they aren't really worth the association, now are they? Academic snobbery(at least today) is a pursuit of the mediocre. What one can make up for lack of true innovation, can be substituted for an arbitrary "I got a 2.1, 1.1". It's bull****. I say all this despite being weeks away from getting a "science" degree btw. Too many bogus courses out there. HRM? Are you ****ing kidding me?

Poor Craythur

Naikon wrote: »

HEARSAY!

I have a science degree, I did the same degree and discipline as this girl (she's a friend from my class) and got a similar degree grade to her, so I believe her!

And it was a proper science degree, btw.

Da Shins Kelly

jive wrote: »

I did another course as well. Can I give my opinion on that? I also have friends doing various other degrees, can I not pass my opinion on what I've been told from other courses?

You sound like you find college very difficult. Perhaps you are struggling because you are in the wrong course?

Also given the retards I know that have gotten degrees from various colleges in various different subjects I can draw my conclusions from that.

I don't really understand why you're going on about how easy college is, as if everyone should be breezing by like you claim to be. College is tough enough and requires hardwork and dedication in order to make it to the end. It's not all as simple as you're making it sound. And there is a certain level of intelligence required to make it to the end. Some people may appear to be social retards, but then they've got the book smarts, and it's always the ones you don't expect.

amacachi

Poor Craythur wrote: »

I have a science degree, I did the same degree and discipline as this girl (she's a friend from my class) and got a similar degree grade to her, so I believe her!

And it was a proper science degree, btw.

Mind if I ask where you did it?

Poor Craythur

amacachi wrote: »

Mind if I ask where you did it?

TCD

jive

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I don't really understand why you're going on about how easy college is, as if everyone should be breezing by like you claim to be. College is tough enough and requires hardwork and dedication in order to make it to the end. It's not all as simple as you're making it sound. And there is a certain level of intelligence required to make it to the end. Some people may appear to be social retards, but then they've got the book smarts, and it's always the ones you don't expect.

I disagree. It might be difficult to get in because that's a competition and you effectively have to beat other people to get the course you want but IMO when you're in you're in the clear. As long as you go to college and do whats required (like you obviously did in school to get to college in the first place) then you shouldn't fail. And even if you do fail you have months to study for the repeat. I've often heard lecturers say "40% isn't hard to get" and they're right.

Also I'm not claiming anything. I'm saying it's not hard to get a degree. You get to sit the exams twice even if you do have a mare the first time round. If failing the first time round doesn't give you a kick in the arse then you're not cut out for a working life never mind college.

amacachi

Poor Craythur wrote: »

TCD

Can only talk about nearly the first two years but it's unbelievably easy to get this far.

Poor Craythur

amacachi wrote: »

Can only talk about nearly the first two years but it's unbelievably easy to get this far.

Oh yeah, science degrees aren't hard at all if you're interested in the subject. That wasn't my point, my point was that medicine is no harder and that it's a common misconception that it is. It's more full-on though.

amacachi

Poor Craythur wrote: »

Oh yeah, science degrees aren't hard at all if you're interested in the subject. That wasn't my point, my point was that medicine is no harder and that it's a common misconception that it is. It's more full-on though.

Medicine must be some piece of piss after all so. :pac:

Poor Craythur

amacachi wrote: »

Medicine must be some piece of piss after all so. :pac:

People just think it's harder because it's higher points. It's only higher points because it's a very in-demand course.

pragmatic1

amacachi wrote: »

Can only talk about nearly the first two years but it's unbelievably easy to get this far.

First two years are generally ok. Wait till fourth year.

amacachi

Poor Craythur wrote: »

People just think it's harder because it's higher points. It's only higher points because it's a very in demand course.

I suppose I'm also not comparing like-for-like, I'd say the difference in effort for me getting what I'll probably get this summer or an extra 20% would be absolutely colossal. Don't plan on finding out though. :pac:

amacachi

pragmatic1 wrote: »

First two years are generally ok. Wait till fourth year.

If it takes up more than an hour a week on top of lectures I don't know how I'll handle it. :pac:

pragmatic1

amacachi wrote: »

If it takes up more than an hour a week on top of lectures I don't know how I'll handle it. :pac:

Muhahahahaha.

craggles

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Science and engineering are not that hard.

Yeah?

Poor Craythur

pragmatic1 wrote: »

First two years are generally ok. Wait till fourth year.

Nah, fourth year is grand, third year is the bitch.

KittyeeTrix

Poor Craythur wrote: »

Nah, fourth year is grand, third year is the bitch.

I'm going into 4th year (science NUIG) and I'm pretty much hearing the same thing..... that 3rd year is much worse than 4th year, god I hope so!!!

pragmatic1

craggles wrote: »

Yeah?

Its like everything. If you put the work in you'll get the results. Maybe engineering not so much as you need a certain type of brain to do engineering courses in the first place.

pragmatic1

Poor Craythur wrote: »

Nah, fourth year is grand, third year is the bitch.

I had the opposite experience. Actually enjoyed third year and found the subjects interesting. I'll never forget the last few months of fourth year. Nearly put me off science.

KittyeeTrix

pragmatic1 wrote: »

I had the opposite experience. Actually enjoyed third year and found the subjects interesting. I'll never forget the last few months of fourth year. Nearly put me off science.

What subject did you do for 4th year??
Hope you don't mind me asking!

pragmatic1

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

What subject did you do for 4th year??
Hope you don't mind me asking!

It was biotech/biochem.

OutlawPete

We don't think we are better than the people below us. Only yesterday in the cafeteria in trinners we were chatting with some of the kitchen staff and I have often been on Dublin Bus when funds were tight like. Okay right so yeah we will have nice careers and maybe a better sports car than we drive now, but money isn't everything you know. Studies have shown that career jobs are more stressful and no matter how big the house, or how large the bank balance, sometimes it will never be enough to make up for that. Poor people haven't much money for sure but they lead less stressful lives than we do. It's a real ruiners reading threads like this.

Degrees show dedication but I don't believe that a majority of people thinks it shows aptitude.. Everyone knows it's just another step that some people choose to take that generally makes it easier to get a job and very importantly for me now, makes it easier to get work visas.

I do think that people look down on trades but that's because of the perception of people that do them, not the trade itself.. Everyone can remember the dickhead knackers in school who drop out at 15 to be a carpenter and that's what people associate trades with.

kowloon

I'd prefer to see people do what they want and be good at it. It's a shame to see someone with the natural skill to become a master cabinetmaker ending up doing a degree that's meaningless to them and ending up in an equally pointless career because the latter path is seen as more prestigious.

Since medicine has been mentioned, how many people end up doing it solely because it's a high points course and not because they're suited to being a doctor?

Azureus

A few might go into medicine for prestige/because of points, but I doubt many last the full stretch! I imagine its something you would really need to want, judging by the hours that friends put in at college anyway, and then again the hours you would be putting in when your actually in the job.

As for the uni people thinking they're better than those with no formal education/tradesmen etc, it is something I've noticed. I've a degree and my partners a plumber and we just take the piss out of the stereotype a lot. Ive a habit of saying really stupid stuff when im tired and my response when its pointed out is always 'shut up, I HAVE A DEGREE!'.
Means I cant be wrong, right??