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Amir Khan v Paul McCloskey - Manchester, April 16

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  • #752
    nacho libre
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    celtictiger32 wrote: »
    they just might have realised what was coming

    So you really believe Khan was in danger of being stopped by McCloskey:confused:. I just don't see the evidence for it.


  • #753
    celtictiger32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭celtictiger32


    nacho libre wrote: »
    So you really believe Khan was in danger of being stopped by McCloskey:confused:. I just don't see the evidence for it.

    obviously there is no evidence as the fight was stopped prematurely as most agree. but i do believe that that was the gameplan in the mc closkey camp, imo and i know some may disagree i think khan was looking flustered and tired i think he was getting frustrated at not being able to connect. i dont believe mc closkey would do as little as he did without a gameplan of that type. mc closkey was imo still fresh enough, unfazed and well poised to do exactly this in the later rounds.


  • #754
    el tel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭el tel


    I was at the fight and have watched the footage since. The quickness of the decision to end the fight greatly disturbs me and raises a huge amount of suspicion. Some of the things I’ve noticed suggest to me that Khan and his team needed an exit strategy from the fight once it went beyond a certain distance. As everyone knows, losing this fight could simply not be contemplated for the money at stake down the line with Khan is too huge – good bad or indifferent his ability, he’s a product they can sell. The build up was not favourable to Khan and all the monkey business with TV, fitness etc. probably left him below par.

    Nevertheless they banked on this fight to end quickly, at least not much beyond 4 rounds. In the video interview with Freddie Roach on Boxing-Ireland.com he made this prediction of 4 rounds.

    As the fight panned out, Khan was working hard, though mostly missing and not dangerously getting through to McCloskey or causing him too much trouble. He was clearly winning each round however was playing into McCloskey’s game plan which was to patiently take it into the later rounds and hopefully deliver the knockout. This is what McCloskey does and Khan’s camp will have known this. Khan will have become increasingly vulnerable to the big shot from McCloskey. Paul’s KO punches come from nowhere.

    We’ve gone into 6 rounds and Khan’s game plan to win early had not materialised, Khan needs an exit strategy to kick in. The Rules of the fight are straightforward – a stoppage due to an accident would result in going to the scorecards. Khan was unquestionably ahead on the score cards. Thus if McCloskey is injured accidently and the fight is stopped – Khan wins. If Khan is injured accidently and the flight is stopped - Khan still wins.

    At the instant Khan and McCloskey make head contact (I’m will refrain from questioning if the awkward movement of Khan’s forehead down and into the collision was on purpose as Paul’s camp have not questioned this), Khan immediately reeled back, pointing to his own head. Did Khan expect or hope to have been cut or injured himself? Did he see that Paul was cut? In any case, his reaction was instantaneous – clash of heads, indicate injury, step back, get to corner. I don’t recall that Paul reacted in a similar sudden ‘head clash – let’s stop’ manner. At this point Khan’s agenda has been set and everything else rolls into swift unrelenting motion. Everything that happened following the head contact appears to be seamless, as if it was coordinated or played exactly into their hands:

    Khan is in his corner.

    Paul is corralled in the neutral corner.

    The Doctor springs into the ring (quite unprecedented. He is a RINGSIDE doctor). Did DeLaHoya prompt him to step inside?

    The cut clearly isn’t that bad.

    30 seconds left in the round.

    Paul gets no treatment from his corner.

    The briefest inspections by the Doctor. No wiping the blood with a towel. The Doctor motions with his arms and head that the fight is over. He can’t decide this! He can only advise. The referee ends the fight.

    Meanwhile Kahn’s corner have taken his gloves off. Have they decided themselves that this fight isn’t going to continue even before its officially decided?! They are not taking any chances, Khan’s gloves are coming off regardless.

    If there is any doubt that the fight could be resumed, Khan’s corner have already forced the hand of a decision to the contrary. The momentum is now unstoppable...the fight is over and there is now no means of reversing that.

    Khan is held aloft.

    Meanwhile, Paul has been wiped down by Eamon Magee, there’s no bleeding.

    Did Khans camp plan or influence this outcome? Or did they merely capitalise on a small cut and set about having the fight terminated? Either way, they have the means and motive and the whole thing stinks.


  • #755
    walshb
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    celtictiger32 wrote: »
    obviously there is no evidence as the fight was stopped prematurely as most agree. but i do believe that that was the gameplan in the mc closkey camp, imo and i know some may disagree i think khan was looking flustered and tired i think he was getting frustrated at not being able to connect. i dont believe mc closkey would do as little as he did without a gameplan of that type. mc closkey was imo still fresh enough, unfazed and well poised to do exactly this in the later rounds.

    Looking flustered? Looking tired? Very subjective terms. You seem to be forgetting though that for 6 rds he was virtually undamaged, had taken nothing of consequence and also was not killing himself.

    It's a big big ask to expect Paul to use 6 rds to launch assaults on Khan that would break him. Also, don't you think that just maybe, Roach and Khan could come up with a different plan? Say maybe take a round or two off, refresh, regroup and then use the last 3 rds to step it up again.

    I fail to see how Paul would catch Khan for two rds IF Khan decided to take the foot off the pedal for a couple of rds to refresh. He didn't get near him for 6 rds. Add in the fact that Paul is much more comfortable when countering (on the back foot) and not having to force the pace. When Paul did take the lead he found it very hard to land, and was countered by Khan's speed and boxing skill.

    Looking at any possible "evidence" available, I think a stoppage win for Paul was very very unlikely. Take into account his work rate in general, power in general, and his style, which is to counter and make opponents pay for missing. Add THIS to what actually transpired in the first 6 rds, where he landed hardly anything, where Khan was no at all damaged, and that Roach ad Khan could have taken two rds off the refresh. He's left with an absolute MOUNTAIN to climb. And IMO it's clutching big time to try and envisage a KO win for Paul.

    Also, watch the work Maidana did (over 8 or so rds), a far heavier hitter than Paul, and still Khan stood up to it and was firing back in round 12.

    As for the stoppage. Yes, it did stink, and was suspect, and it wouldn't at all surprise me if it was
    something that was influenced. Not saying the clash was, that was pure accidental and could not
    have been choreographed, at least not the way it happened, but after the clash it is quite possible
    that Golden Boy used it to end this fight. This is pro boxing, I wouldn't be naive enough to think
    that corruption does not occur.


  • #756
    nacho libre
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    celtictiger32 wrote: »
    obviously there is no evidence as the fight was stopped prematurely as most agree. but i do believe that that was the gameplan in the mc closkey camp, imo and i know some may disagree i think khan was looking flustered and tired i think he was getting frustrated at not being able to connect. i dont believe mc closkey would do as little as he did without a gameplan of that type. mc closkey was imo still fresh enough, unfazed and well poised to do exactly this in the later rounds.

    It's all well and good having a game plan, but having the ability to excute it is another matter. From what i saw, Paul, while he was able to slip much of Khan's shots early on, wasn't able to get to Khan. As the fight went on Khan was landing on Paul with more frequency- If anything, this would suggest Paul's reflexes were slowing due to tiredness.
    For me Khan was winning fairly comfortably and was having an easier fight compared to his previous encounter, which was a 12 round war.
    Now obviously I can't say Khan would have won for certain, but the evidence prior to the stoppage didn't give me much reason to believe McCloskey could gain a stoppage.


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  • #757
    celtictiger32
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    nacho libre wrote: »
    It's all well and good having a game plan, but having the ability to excute it is another matter. From what i saw, Paul, while he was able to slip much of Khan's shots early on, wasn't able to get to Khan.

    wasnt that the gameplan?


  • #758
    nacho libre
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    celtictiger32 wrote: »

    wasnt that the gameplan?

    if so it wasn't much of a game plan, since he lost all six rounds.


  • #759
    celtictiger32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭celtictiger32


    nacho libre wrote: »
    celtictiger32 wrote: »

    if so it wasn't much of a game plan, since he lost all six rounds.

    i think if that was the gameplan, he would more than likely lose the early rounds. letting khan do the work and tire would generally give him the early rounds even if it were on work rate alone, hence leaving that bit in the tank for the k.o. in the later rounds. and i think everything was going according to plan until what happened and as i said you just cant account for that.

    i do believe the whole conspiracy theory as it all went a bit too smoothly not even letting his corner have a look etc. and the swiftness of the end so to speak. the whole thing is still leaving a lot of doubts and ifs and buts so the proper thing to do would be to have a rematch.


  • #760
    colly10
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    el tel wrote: »
    Khan immediately reeled back, pointing to his own head. Did Khan expect or hope to have been cut or injured himself? Did he see that Paul was cut? In any case, his reaction was instantaneous – clash of heads, indicate injury, step back, get to corner. I don’t recall that Paul reacted in a similar sudden ‘head clash – let’s stop’ manner. At this point Khan’s agenda has been set and everything else rolls into swift unrelenting motion. Everything that happened following the head contact appears to be seamless, as if it was coordinated or played exactly into their hands:

    This place is turning into boxingscene. The crap in that post is pushing it a bit no? The fact the post has thanks just shows there's no convincing some people.

    If he wasn't Irish you'd be probably be saying he was rubbish and did nothing but stink the place out. The chap could barely land a single punch never mind land anything close to meaningful enough to land a KO.

    The stoppage is the best thing that could have happened for him, it leaves the doubts open for some that Khan would suddenly have gassed and McCloskey would have landed the punch he never looked close to capable of landing in the first half of the fight.

    When I was a kid if I conceded a goal in a match, i'd say it was all part of my plan. I grew out of that a long time ago, it seems McCloskey hasn't.
    The stoppage was a joke but hopefully we can keep somewhat in touch with reality


  • #761
    colly10
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    celtictiger32 wrote: »
    i think if that was the gameplan, he would more than likely lose the early rounds. letting khan do the work and tire would generally give him the early rounds even if it were on work rate alone, hence leaving that bit in the tank for the k.o

    Khan wasn't made work anywhere near hard enough for him to gass out before the end of the fight. The maidana fight was far more demanding as maidana walked him down for the whole fight. Khan needed to keep throwing to keep maidana off him and had to stay on his bike to avoid being caught.

    Look at the number of shots he threw in the first 6 against maidana. I'd be shocked if it wasn't more than the McCloskey fight and he was still well able to fight in the 12th of that (while also taking harder shots in the late rounds than McCloskey is capable of delivering)


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  • #762
    nacho libre
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    celtictiger32 wrote: »

    i think if that was the gameplan, he would more than likely lose the early rounds. letting khan do the work and tire would generally give him the early rounds even if it were on work rate alone, hence leaving that bit in the tank for the k.o. in the later rounds. and i think everything was going according to plan until what happened and as i said you just cant account for that.

    i do believe the whole conspiracy theory as it all went a bit too smoothly not even letting his corner have a look etc. and the swiftness of the end so to speak. the whole thing is still leaving a lot of doubts and ifs and buts so the proper thing to do would be to have a rematch.

    Perhaps it was the game plan, but like i said it was a lousy one in my opinion.
    There was nothing to indicate Paul could turn the fight around. Khan was in no way tiring. I got the impression if anything that Paul was perhaps the one starting to tire because Khan was hitting him more frequently towards the end, and anytime Paul tried to press the action he was getting countered effectively. What this suggested game plan also failed to factor in, is that Paul is more comfortable fighting on the back foot, having to set the pace is not something he's used to, and to change your fighting style against a fighter, who has the handspeed and boxing skills to punish you on the counter is a huge ask. Also, if Maidana, generally considered to be the heaviest hitter in the division, couldn't take Khan out over 12 rounds, what chance had a relatively light puncher like Paul?
    That said we'll never know for sure, but it was highly unlikely from what i saw that Paul could have gone on to win the fight.



    I still think the stoppage was a case of a bad decision by an official rather than a conspiracy on behalf of Khan's backers. Khan not winning as emphaticially as Oscar wanted is not a convincing reason to stop the fight. If there was a sign Khan was in danger of losing, then, yes, i'd say it was definitely a case of dirty tricks.


  • #763
    walshb
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    colly10 wrote: »
    Khan wasn't made work anywhere near hard enough for him to gass out before the end of the fight. The maidana fight was far more demanding as maidana walked him down for the whole fight. Khan needed to keep throwing to keep maidana off him and had to stay on his bike to avoid being caught.

    Look at the number of shots he threw in the first 6 against maidana. I'd be shocked if it wasn't more than the McCloskey fight and he was still well able to fight in the 12th of that (while also taking harder shots in the late rounds than McCloskey is capable of delivering)

    colly, I am not even sure that folks are like this because it was an Irish fighter in there. I think it's more down to a disdain for Khan. If that was any other belt holder or world level fighter I think folks would just be honest and admit that their man, Paul, was not in the fight.

    Personally I do not know Khan; and I think he is just a normal every day guy, with confidence and ambition, two things that are needed in pro boxing. So, at times he says things that come across as arrogant or superior, what boxer doesn't. They all do it, from time to time.

    Listen to Paul and his team post fight. They were saying stuff that could also be interpreted
    as arrogant and superior.


  • #764
    colly10
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    walshb wrote: »
    colly, I am not even sure that folks are like this because it was an Irish fighter in there. I think it's more down to a disdain for Khan. If that was any other belt holder or world level fighter I think folks would just be honest and admit that their man, Paul, was not in the fight.

    Id agree with that, the Irish fact that Paul is Irish does add to it but some are mad to see Khan fail. I cannot understand the hatred for him
    The guy isn't even in my top 10 list of favorite fighters yet I find myself defending him nearly every time he's mentioned against biased ott comments


  • #765
    Spazdarn
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    Yeah I'm always defending Khan, and again he's nowhere near my favourite boxer but the abuse he gets is generally unwarranted.


  • #766
    el tel
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    colly10 wrote: »
    This place is turning into boxingscene. The crap in that post is pushing it a bit no? The fact the post has thanks just shows there's no convincing some people.

    If he wasn't Irish you'd be probably be saying he was rubbish and did nothing but stink the place out. The chap could barely land a single punch never mind land anything close to meaningful enough to land a KO.

    The stoppage is the best thing that could have happened for him, it leaves the doubts open for some that Khan would suddenly have gassed and McCloskey would have landed the punch he never looked close to capable of landing in the first half of the fight.

    When I was a kid if I conceded a goal in a match, i'd say it was all part of my plan. I grew out of that a long time ago, it seems McCloskey hasn't.
    The stoppage was a joke but hopefully we can keep somewhat in touch with reality


    Everything said about what could have happened in the fight had it not be stopped is speculation. It's speculation to say McCloskey could have produced a KO punch. Likewise it's speculation to say Khan would have KOed McCloskey. I 've done my speculating and you've done yours.

    I would agree that had 12 rounds been completed Khan most likely would have won on points (he was doing the scoring and of course is the defending champ) but that too is speculation. There were enough rounds left for anything to happen.

    Professional boxing isn't like snooker. The result isn't the best of 12 frames and as soon as someone reaches 6 or 7 they have reached an unassailable lead and it's game over. There are up to 12 rounds of fighting and a KO or TKO trumps number of rounds won. Quite simply McCloskey was denied this opportunity.

    No one is saying he was denied the win, but the argument is that he was denied the opportunity. Denied by antics which appear unprecedented, irregular and dubious. No supporter of the sport should find that acceptable on any level, regardless of what they think the outcome would have been.


  • #767
    walshb
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    There are two discussions then, really; one I think we most all agree on, the fight was ended prematurely, denying Paul a chance to win. Second discussion is speculative, as regards if one thinks that Paul could win. I give him an extremely slim chance, based on a number of factors that I and others have presented. Again, just speculation.


  • #768
    corny
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    Some of you ****ers are living in a dreamland.

    "He was clearly winning each round however was playing into McCloskey’s game plan". Just think of the logic of that sentence!

    McCloskey being Irish and Khan being a wanker shouldn't get in the way of objectivity. Based on the only facts we're certain of (the 6 rounds we saw) Khan outclassed McCloskey. Everything else, the referee, Pauls masterplan, Khan gassing, golden boy, its all conjecture. I'd rather go with McCloskey was out of his league to be frank.

    Just on Amir Khan again. I don't think he's that bad a dude tbh. I just think he's a not too clever lad trying to fit a profile and this invariably makes him look unjustifiably arrogant and cocky. I mean Degale, Hamed, Callzaghe, Eubank, theres probably loads more, they're all at it. Its just PR. Everything that happens outside the ring goes over my head tbh.


  • #769
    Chriscl1
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    Well said and if Henry hadn't have robbed us ireland would have won the world cup haha.


  • #770
    walshb
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    Chriscl1 wrote: »
    Well said and if Henry hadn't have robbed us ireland would have won the world cup haha.

    Yeah, but we were actually right in the hunt in that match. Holding our own big time.


  • #771
    gene_tunney
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    el tel wrote: »
    I was at the fight and have watched the footage since. The quickness of the decision to end the fight greatly disturbs me and raises a huge amount of suspicion. Some of the things I’ve noticed suggest to me that Khan and his team needed an exit strategy from the fight once it went beyond a certain distance. As everyone knows, losing this fight could simply not be contemplated for the money at stake down the line with Khan is too huge – good bad or indifferent his ability, he’s a product they can sell. The build up was not favourable to Khan and all the monkey business with TV, fitness etc. probably left him below par.

    Nevertheless they banked on this fight to end quickly, at least not much beyond 4 rounds. In the video interview with Freddie Roach on Boxing-Ireland.com he made this prediction of 4 rounds.

    As the fight panned out, Khan was working hard, though mostly missing and not dangerously getting through to McCloskey or causing him too much trouble. He was clearly winning each round however was playing into McCloskey’s game plan which was to patiently take it into the later rounds and hopefully deliver the knockout. This is what McCloskey does and Khan’s camp will have known this. Khan will have become increasingly vulnerable to the big shot from McCloskey. Paul’s KO punches come from nowhere.

    We’ve gone into 6 rounds and Khan’s game plan to win early had not materialised, Khan needs an exit strategy to kick in. The Rules of the fight are straightforward – a stoppage due to an accident would result in going to the scorecards. Khan was unquestionably ahead on the score cards. Thus if McCloskey is injured accidently and the fight is stopped – Khan wins. If Khan is injured accidently and the flight is stopped - Khan still wins.

    At the instant Khan and McCloskey make head contact (I’m will refrain from questioning if the awkward movement of Khan’s forehead down and into the collision was on purpose as Paul’s camp have not questioned this), Khan immediately reeled back, pointing to his own head. Did Khan expect or hope to have been cut or injured himself? Did he see that Paul was cut? In any case, his reaction was instantaneous – clash of heads, indicate injury, step back, get to corner. I don’t recall that Paul reacted in a similar sudden ‘head clash – let’s stop’ manner. At this point Khan’s agenda has been set and everything else rolls into swift unrelenting motion. Everything that happened following the head contact appears to be seamless, as if it was coordinated or played exactly into their hands:

    Khan is in his corner.

    Paul is corralled in the neutral corner.

    The Doctor springs into the ring (quite unprecedented. He is a RINGSIDE doctor). Did DeLaHoya prompt him to step inside?

    The cut clearly isn’t that bad.

    30 seconds left in the round.

    Paul gets no treatment from his corner.

    The briefest inspections by the Doctor. No wiping the blood with a towel. The Doctor motions with his arms and head that the fight is over. He can’t decide this! He can only advise. The referee ends the fight.

    Meanwhile Kahn’s corner have taken his gloves off. Have they decided themselves that this fight isn’t going to continue even before its officially decided?! They are not taking any chances, Khan’s gloves are coming off regardless.

    If there is any doubt that the fight could be resumed, Khan’s corner have already forced the hand of a decision to the contrary. The momentum is now unstoppable...the fight is over and there is now no means of reversing that.

    Khan is held aloft.

    Meanwhile, Paul has been wiped down by Eamon Magee, there’s no bleeding.

    Did Khans camp plan or influence this outcome? Or did they merely capitalise on a small cut and set about having the fight terminated? Either way, they have the means and motive and the whole thing stinks.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

    Please don't waste our time with rubbish like this.


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  • #772
    walshb
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    gene_tunney wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

    Please don't waste our time with rubbish like this.

    Gene, corruption and cronyism in boxing is not conspiracy theory, it's a fact.
    Now, in this case, the clash of heads WAS NOT a conspiracy, but what happened
    directly after was not the normal way things should happen, or close to normal.
    The ref and doctor did not behave in a correct fashion. I wouldn't trust any of them in there.
    Golden Boy, or anyone associated with big money and big deals.


  • #773
    corny
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    walshb wrote: »
    Gene, corruption and cronyism in boxing is not conspiracy theory, it's a fact.
    Now, in this case, the clash of heads WAS NOT a conspiracy, but what happened
    directly after was not the normal way things should happen, or close to normal.
    The ref and doctor did not behave in a correct fashion. I wouldn't trust any of them in there.
    Golden Boy, or anyone associated with big money and big deals.

    Fair enough but surely theres no legislating for what happened. The referee was hardly briefed "ok in the event of a head clash.......".

    You're right not to trust any of them but i still think the most likely explanation is the ref just made a balls of it.


  • #774
    walshb
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    corny wrote: »
    Fair enough but surely theres no legislating for what happened. The referee was hardly briefed "ok in the event of a head clash.......".

    You're right not to trust any of them but i still think the most likely explanation is the ref just made a balls of it.

    Well, I don't think it's out of the question for the doctor to be quietly told that IF there is a cut, and this is the situation, please rule favourably for X.

    Like I said, the actual clash was an accident, but the aftermath was very suspect. Stupidity on the refs part, and doctors? I don't know. I would love to know what the doctor said to Paul, and what Paul replied.

    Regardless, I think Paul would not have stood a chance in the bout. Others disagree, that is their right.

    And back to the post fight. People slating Khan. I just heard Breen, and his claims, that Paul made Khan look stupid, that Paul
    looked like the champion, with his hands down low and making Khan miss, conveniently omitting the fact that
    Paul lost every bloody round. Paul saying Khan was gassed after two rds, and that he would have taken him out.
    Then Khan makes his point, and folks are jumping down his throat? Khan, the one who was 6 rds to nil up.


  • #775
    slapbangwallop
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    gene_tunney wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

    Please don't waste our time with rubbish like this.

    I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss the points raised.

    Plenty of valid points raised.


  • #776
    slapbangwallop
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    corny wrote: »
    Fair enough but surely theres no legislating for what happened. The referee was hardly briefed "ok in the event of a head clash.......".

    You're right not to trust any of them but i still think the most likely explanation is the ref just made a balls of it.

    Actually they should be briefed.

    Also doctor and referee should be sufficiently experienced and know what EXACTLY to do in the case of a headclash and cut - especially in a world title fight.


  • #777
    makl
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    BTW, Paul could and might well have won.

    Khan turned his back and walked away in round 4 - what was the score with that? ref moved in late, but mccloskey was fully entitled to hook round side of khan, maybe just not enough time?

    Happened once could have happened again.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    http://youtu.be/wIxk7w53li4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIxk7w53li4

    ...can someone embed that somehow?tks


  • #778
    celtictiger32
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    corny wrote: »
    Fair enough but surely theres no legislating for what happened. The referee was hardly briefed "ok in the event of a head clash.......".

    You're right not to trust any of them but i still think the most likely explanation is the ref just made a balls of it.

    i dont think its beyond the realms of possibility that the referee was 'told' what to do in the event of...... it wouldnt be the first time a referee has taken a backhander


  • #779
    colly10
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    celtictiger32 wrote: »
    i dont think its beyond the realms of possibility that the referee was 'told' what to do in the event of...... it wouldnt be the first time a referee has taken a backhander

    And what would the breif be ... in the event that my fighter has won every round, has taken no meaningful shots and his timing is improving and the other guy gets a cut over the eye that may get opened up and obscure his vision then i want you to stop the fight immediately


  • #780
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,283 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    colly10 wrote: »
    And what would the breif be ... in the event that my fighter has won every round, has taken no meaningful shots and his timing is improving and the other guy gets a cut over the eye that may get opened up and obscure his vision then i want you to stop the fight immediately

    The only thing I can think of is that Golden Boy was getting worried, why, who knows, but worried maybe that Paul was still there, unhurt and with a miracle chance to score the KO. Me personally and others, think Paul had next to no chance, but if we had so much money on the outcome, how sure would we be? anyway, if they rematch I would expect a Khan victory, and without too much bother.


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  • #781
    corny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭corny


    walshb wrote: »
    The only thing I can think of is that Golden Boy was getting worried, why, who knows, but worried maybe that Paul was still there, unhurt and with a miracle chance to score the KO. Me personally and others, think Paul had next to no chance, but if we had so much money on the outcome, how sure would we be? anyway, if they rematch I would expect a Khan victory, and without too much bother.

    So you're saying the referee was sent signals during the fight because GB were getting worried or he was told prior if Paul is still there after 6 do your best? I find either hard hard to swallow tbh especially given how the fight panned out.


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