Amir Khan v Paul McCloskey - Manchester, April 16

deisedelight · 19-04-2011 09:22AM

thats incredible suport for paul.
having 7000 fans in manchester is ridiculous support. its hatton like .
hopefully paul will learn from this experience and go seek some bigger fights.
while the stoppage was a disgrace , i dont see paul winning that fight on saturday but thats besides the point in many ways as was out of his hands once the doctor stepped in.

BeanFlicker · 19-04-2011 09:52AM

makl wrote: »

McCloskey on newstalk106 on off-the-ball later. no time given yet

...edit after 8pm

...edit2 on now

Can't find that on the off-th-ball podcast, it has yesterdays show, any ideas?

makl · 19-04-2011 10:00AM

BeanFlicker wrote: »

Can't find that on the off-th-ball podcast, it has yesterdays show, any ideas?

think its uploaded the followin evening. ill check later

corny · 19-04-2011 11:06AM

makl wrote: »

Time to get a grip on Khan's level.

World class light-welter? Sure.

Where would you put him in on a list of 12 lightweights to welterweights. I have him above rios, diaz, katsidis, vazquez & berto maybe and level with bradley til they fight. That's about 7th or 8th, in a pfp summary of 3 weights.
Rios, Vazquez, Ortiz and Khan are youngest, all aged 24. Not elite level yet, but potentially. think he has to move to welter and fight the best there before even considering it. time yet. Ortiz would be a killer now, he fought at 161 v Berto!

1. Marquez
2. Guerrero
3. Vazquez
4. Rios
5. Diaz
6. Katsidis

7. Mayweather
8. Pacquiao
9. Mosley
10. Ortiz
11. Berto
12. Bradley

on a side note, just noticed while doing this ryan rhodes is off to mexico to fight saul alvarez 18 june, tough trip.

Tim Bradley is 8th on the overall pound for pound list. Does that mean because you rate Khan alongside him Khan is one of the top 10 boxers in the world? I'm not really big on lists and what you learn from them but suffice it say i'd have him at least giving your list a fight. Would any of them make him look silly? I don't think so in all honesty. Does he have to beat everyone of them to be considered 'elite level fighter'? Again i don't think so.

walshb · 19-04-2011 11:18AM

slapbangwallop wrote: »

I didnt think Paul was doing as bad as some on here thought (no shock to see Walshy having a dig at McCloskey, the man has issues!)

Hold on. There are about 15 other posters here who see the fight and result as I did. So why single me out?:rolleyes:
So, now we have to lie just so we aren't accused of having a "dig" at a fighter. And I have issues? Cop on FFS.
Yes, Paul boxed great, landed loads and had Khan on queer street, and was robbed. Happy?

So, calling a fight as you saw it is having a "dig?"

The man was not in the fight for 6 rds, that is not a dig, that is fact.
The man should have been allowed to continue. We all agree on that.

The most positive thing anyone could say about Paul for 18 mins was
that "he was making Khan miss." I mean, if that is not clutching at straws, I don't know what is.
Robin Reid, Collins and the others, that is the best they could come up with.

Initially I had thought that Paul did quit, (that is not a dig, it's what I thought right at the time) as did Roach, and others because he didn't seem to protest when the ref and doc were talking to him. BUT, I and others have put that down to possible confusion.

Khan was knackered? Ready to go? That to me is nonsense from Paul and his camp? Is that me also having a "dig?"

So, where is this "digging" coming from?

makl · 19-04-2011 12:19PM

corny wrote: »

Tim Bradley is 8th on the overall pound for pound list. Does that mean because you rate Khan alongside him Khan is one of the top 10 boxers in the world? I'm not really big on lists and what you learn from them but suffice it say i'd have him at least giving your list a fight. Would any of them make him look silly? I don't think so in all honesty. Does he have to beat everyone of them to be considered 'elite level fighter'? Again i don't think so.

the list is very distorted as it doesn't take into the strengths of the different weight categories, coupled with the weaknesses of any list system e.g. any mexican who beats ten mexicans in mexico can make top 5.

i think ortiz embarrasses khan, especially after seeing sat night, and hed be just scraping my top 5. khan could well be at 154 in 3 years time, theres a host of other fighters that will cause him problems.

i think mcclosley had the brains to win that fight. khan, the more skilful boxer no doubt, looked lost and clueless at times. just running in straight lines at paul with 6-8 punches. 1 combo in 6 rounds worked well. hopefully we will see khan and mccloskey back in action soon v top opposition and this can be put to bed.

corny · 19-04-2011 12:56PM

makl wrote: »

the list is very distorted as it doesn't take into the strengths of the different weight categories, coupled with the weaknesses of any list system e.g. any mexican who beats ten mexicans in mexico can make top 5.

i think ortiz embarrasses khan, especially after seeing sat night, and hed be just scraping my top 5. khan could well be at 154 in 3 years time, theres a host of other fighters that will cause him problems.

i think mcclosley had the brains to win that fight. khan, the more skilful boxer no doubt, looked lost and clueless at times. just running in straight lines at paul with 6-8 punches. 1 combo in 6 rounds worked well. hopefully we will see khan and mccloskey back in action soon v top opposition and this can be put to bed.

Amen.

Hopefully Khans next opponents won't pussy out of a fight and hide for 6 rounds. Hopefully they'll come looking to win and we'll see just how clueless Khans fast hands are.

mark renton · 19-04-2011 12:59PM

Put it to bed all you like

fact is Khans fast hands were slower than Pauls reactions - the dude took the middle of the ring, stood with hands down and "lightening khan" still couldnt connect for 6 rounds - i could see no different happening for 60 rounds

doesnt look good for Khan IMO

Boooourns · 19-04-2011 01:08PM

john47832 wrote: »

Put it to bed all you like

fact is Khans fast hands were slower than Pauls reactions - the dude took the middle of the ring, stood with hands down and "lightening khan" still couldnt connect for 6 rounds - i could see no different happening for 60 rounds

doesnt look good for Khan IMO

All boxers have off nights and i really think Khan had one too, the whole buildup to the fight affected him, i have no doubt about that.

walshb · 19-04-2011 01:12PM

john47832 wrote: »

Put it to bed all you like

fact is Khans fast hands were slower than Pauls reactions - the dude took the middle of the ring, stood with hands down and "lightening khan" still couldnt connect for 6 rounds - i could see no different happening for 60 rounds

doesnt look good for Khan IMO

He did connect, with at least 4 times more success than Paul.

I am confused. Is your post meant to slate Khan, or praise Paul?

It seems that you are saying that Paul was the "winner" because he managed to avoid a lot of shots? Yes, he did, but he did nothing to win the fight.

60 rds? But, can Paul do anything in 60 rds, apart from posing and avoiding and defending? You don't win fights by doing that.

It seems to me that folks are making this out as a success. They just wanted Paul to make Khan miss, and if he did this, then that is a success, he has made Kahn look "bad." Conveniently forgetting that for 6 rds Paul did virtually nothing to earn any of the rds.

So, what is it? Was Khan so bad, and if so, what does this mean Paul was, because if we say Khan was so bad, and won 6 rds to nil, then that means Paul was really dreadful. Appalling!

walshb · 19-04-2011 01:14PM

Boooourns wrote: »

All boxers have off nights and i really think Khan had one too, the whole buildup to the fight affected him, i have no doubt about that.

An off night where he still won all rds and never looked bothered, as in, hurt or under pressure.

BTW, he will need to be in top shape for Bradley. I think he can beat Bradley.
Like some have said, Paul will be troublesome for many fighters, and will make many fighters "look" bad. But, making them "look" bad whilst not coming close to winning, well, what good is that?

BeanFlicker · 19-04-2011 01:25PM

makl wrote: »

think its uploaded the followin evening. ill check later

Its up there now, Part 3, 27 mins in

Came across well, seems content that a rematch is highly unlikely.

This thread has been hard to read sometimes, yes Khan won ever round but who's to say McCloskey wouldn't have knocked him out, it didn't seem he did much damage to Mc. He's a ugly boxer to watch alright but he's effective, it's disappointing for the lad to loose the chance at the belt for a decision like that, only good thing is he'll get another shot because of the way it finished

And Khan came across a pure cnut post match as he always does

walshb · 19-04-2011 01:29PM

BeanFlicker wrote: »

Its up there now, Part 3, 27 mins in

Came across well, seems content that a rematch is highly unlikely.

This thread has been hard to read sometimes, yes Khan won ever round but who's to say McCloskey wouldn't have knocked him out, it didn't seem he did much damage to Mc. He's a ugly boxer to watch alright but he's effective, it's disappointing for the lad to loose the chance at the belt for a decision like that, only good thing is he'll get another shot because of the way it finished

And Khan came across a pure cnut post match as he always does

Why has the thread been hard or difficult to read?

BeanFlicker · 19-04-2011 01:39PM

No particular reason, it wasn't meant to be a dig at anyone

corny · 19-04-2011 01:55PM

BeanFlicker wrote: »

Its up there now, Part 3, 27 mins in

Came across well, seems content that a rematch is highly unlikely.

This thread has been hard to read sometimes, yes Khan won ever round but who's to say McCloskey wouldn't have knocked him out, it didn't seem he did much damage to Mc. He's a ugly boxer to watch alright but he's effective, it's disappointing for the lad to loose the chance at the belt for a decision like that, only good thing is he'll get another shot because of the way it finished

And Khan came across a pure cnut post match as he always does

Effective? Jesus Christ. What were you saying was hard to read?

mark renton · 19-04-2011 02:21PM

walshb wrote: »

He did connect, with at least 4 times more success than Paul.

I am confused. Is your post meant to slate Khan, or praise Paul?

why does a post have to be either a praise or a slate - I merely stated thee facts

and the reason the therad is difficult to read is because it seems like Missus Khan is posting under a number of aliases - I'm not naming names but walshb and corny are obvious candidates

walshb · 19-04-2011 02:47PM

john47832 wrote: »

why does a post have to be either a praise or a slate - I merely stated thee facts

and the reason the therad is difficult to read is because it seems like Missus Khan is posting under a number of aliases - I'm not naming names but walshb and corny are obvious candidates

Oh, so you don't really have an opinion on the fight?

I never once said that Khan boxed great. He did what he had to do against a spoiling and defensive minded McCloskey. At times Khan did look awkward and sloppy, but it was a lot to do with Paul's tactics. Still, the tactics were not getting him any rds in the bag.

Watching Kahn on Saturday would not lead me to believe that he is the best
in the world p4p. He still has improving, and there are several fighters out there that are big dangers to him.

As for the Missus Khan? Well, like I said, I never said Khan was great on Saturday, he was simply greater than Paul, which we all kinda' knew anyway.

BeanFlicker · 19-04-2011 02:56PM

corny wrote: »

Effective? Jesus Christ. What were you saying was hard to read?

Yes effective, McCloskey is an awkward fighter and I think he made Khan look poor, who's to know if Khan would of knocked him out, I thought Mc looked comfortable and wasn't under any great trouble from Khan.! Over the 6 rounds Khan was the better fighter, I'm not disputing that but its highly unfortunate the way it ended & I think he deserves another shot for the way it finished. The lack of class and bull**** from Khan post match was disgraceful, if he is that confident about knocking him out give him another fight, I think Khans camp underestimated the fight, pass on my message:pac:

corny · 19-04-2011 03:01PM

BeanFlicker wrote: »

Yes effective, McCloskey is an awkward fighter and I think he made Khan look poor, who's to know if Khan would of knocked him out, I thought Mc looked comfortable and wasn't under any great trouble from Khan.! Over the 6 rounds Khan was the better fighter, I'm not disputing that but its highly unfortunate the way it ended & I think he deserves another shot for the way it finished. The lack of class and bull**** from Khan post match was disgraceful, if he is that confident about knocking him out give him another fight, I think Khans camp underestimated the fight, pass on my message:pac:

Ok so losing all six rounds is effective? Please tell me you're winding me up.

el tel · 19-04-2011 03:13PM

Khan will have a career like Hamed ~ overhyped, overrated, ready to be exposed, surrounded by dodgy family and will make a shed load of money. That Khan manages to be even more obnoxious is quite an achievement. Even Hamed had a bit of humour to be fair to him. And both have seriously injured people by being clowns behind the wheel of a car. Like Hamed khan will end up like a good for nothing chump.

Spazdarn · 19-04-2011 03:14PM

john47832 wrote: »

Put it to bed all you like

fact is Khans fast hands were slower than Pauls reactions - the dude took the middle of the ring, stood with hands down and "lightening khan" still couldnt connect for 6 rounds - i could see no different happening for 60 rounds

doesnt look good for Khan IMO

Paul's reactions weren't that quick or else he'd have reacted fast enough to throw a punch back every once in a while

BoxingIrel.com · 19-04-2011 03:20PM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Paul's reactions weren't that quick or else he'd have reacted fast enough to throw a punch back every once in a while

That was the most dissapointing thing about the night. Paul did make Khan miss but didnt capitalise when the opportunity presented itself.

mark renton · 19-04-2011 05:17PM

walshb wrote: »

Oh, so you don't really have an opinion on the fight?

I have add my opinion over the last 30 something pages - I think Pauls best chance was going to come in the second half of the fight as Kahn WAS looking the more tired of the 2

of note goldenboy quoted in the Independent as saying Paul does deserve a rematch - however methinks they are more attracted to the money from the large support group - and the likelyhood of Khan losing being slim

walshb · 19-04-2011 05:23PM

john47832 wrote: »

I have add my opinion over the last 30 something pages - I think Pauls best chance was going to come in the second half of the fight as Kahn WAS looking the more tired of the 2

of note goldenboy quoted in the Independent as saying Paul does deserve a rematch - however methinks they are more attracted to the money from the large support group - and the likelyhood of Khan losing being slim

Yes, I heard Oscar yesterday on the radio mentioning this. It's all big business. Saw the fight again today, and must admit, the whole doctor/ref and outcome was a wee bit suspect. The way it happened so fast.

I just didn't see Khan looking the more tired of the two, even though he was the one doing 90 percent of the actual work. What did you see? Heavy breathing? But of course, it is only natural that as the fight progresses the fighters will tire. Regardless, nothing in the 18 mins from Paul led me to believe that he could suddenly launch a strong enough assault to cause a stoppage or points win.

It's mad, for this view, I was accused of having issues,:rolleyes: and of 'digging' at Paul. Ludicrous.

jonnyhips · 19-04-2011 05:36PM

walshb wrote: »

Yes, I heard Oscar yesterday on the radio mentioning this. It's all big business. Saw the fight again today, and must admit, the whole doctor/ref and outcome was a wee bit suspect. The way it happened so fast.

I just didn't see Khan looking the more tired of the two, even though he was the one doing 90 percent of the actual work. What did you see? Heavy breathing? But of course, it is only natural that as the fight progresses the fighters will tire. Regardless, nothing in the 18 mins from Paul led me to believe that he could suddenly launch a strong enough assault to cause a stoppage or points win.

It's mad, for this view, I was accused of having issues,:rolleyes: and of 'digging' at Paul. Ludicrous.

lads i have been hearing the doctor got in the ring on De La Hoya's advice?? how true that is i dnt know...

if it is the case that is terrible- and its terrible the reason for not giving a rematch is mostly buisness related... they get more money for the bradley fight obv so paul has no hope-

is it sport or buisness....

nacho libre · 19-04-2011 10:27PM

BoxingIrel.com wrote: »

That was the most dissapointing thing about the night. Paul did make Khan miss but didnt capitalise when the opportunity presented itself.

I think that's because he wasn't quick enough to reply with anything meaningful. Early on he did have some success in slipping shots, but had he been more gung-ho in his approach, as demanded by some, Khan would have punished with swift counters. As someone said earlier anything can happen in a fight, but from what i've seen of Paul's previous fights, I saw little evidence that Paul had the punching power to turn things around if the fight had continued. If Paul and his team were relying on Khan gassing, it was highly unlikely because Khan had gone through a war from start to finish in his previous fight, and lasted the distance, in this fight he was definitely not being exerted(?) to the extent he was against Maidana

sxt · 20-04-2011 01:14AM

nacho libre wrote: »

I think that's because he wasn't quick enough to reply with anything meaningful. Early on he did have some success in slipping shots, but had he been more gung-ho in his approach, as demanded by some, Khan would have punished with swift counters. As someone said earlier anything can happen in a fight, but from what i've seen of Paul's previous fights, I saw little evidence that Paul had the punching power to turn things around if the fight had continued. If Paul and his team were relying on Khan gassing, it was highly unlikely because Khan had gone through a war from start to finish in his previous fight, and lasted the distance, in this fight he was definitely not being exerted(?) to the extent he was against Maidana

Nacho Libre...Did you not find it bizarre beyond belief when a Doctor jumped in mid round and stopped the fight there and then? In a WORLD championship fight...not even allowing anyone to attend to the cut?...

I think I remember Bernard Dunne having halve his skull opened and being alowed to fight on with no intervention ( It was a dramatically deeper cut than that of Mcloskey from my memory)....in an european fight...It was stopped in the next round I think? ...but not until the round was over and his corner had time to try and attend to it....

nacho libre · 20-04-2011 11:21AM

sxt wrote: »

Nacho Libre...Did you not find it bizarre beyond belief when a Doctor jumped in mid round and stopped the fight there and then? In a WORLD championship fight...not even allowing anyone to attend to the cut?...

I think I remember Bernard Dunne having halve his skull opened and being alowed to fight on with no intervention ( It was a dramatically deeper cut than that of Mcloskey from my memory)....in an european fight...It was stopped in the next round I think? ...but not until the round was over and his corner had time to try and attend to it....

yes i do. i think everyone here agrees it was a premature stoppage. as i mentioned earlier it was a ludicrous decision, especially when you consider Barrera, a previous Khan opponent, had blood pumping into his eye and was allowed to continue for three- four rounds- just long enough for it not to be declared a no contest.

However if you are implying the stoppage on Saturday night was a conspiracy, i don't see how the premature stoppage benefitted Khan, because he was clearly winning the fight.

Spazdarn · 20-04-2011 11:54AM

They could have tried to get him out of there early before he stunk up the show

celtictiger32 · 20-04-2011 01:27PM

nacho libre wrote: »

yes i do. i think everyone here agrees it was a premature stoppage. as i mentioned earlier it was a ludicrous decision, especially when you consider Barrera, a previous Khan opponent, had blood pumping into his eye and was allowed to continue for three- four rounds- just long enough for it not to be declared a no contest.

However if you are implying the stoppage on Saturday night was a conspiracy, i don't see how the premature stoppage benefitted Khan, because he was clearly winning the fight.

they just might have realised what was coming

Amir Khan v Paul McCloskey - Manchester, April 16

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