Sorry But It Is Very Racist To Oppose Immigration

kuntboy wrote: »

Well having been to Sweden and having Swedish friends and even "thinking" there wasn't a huge amount, you obviously know everything about the place.

Now you're just trying to be smart. All I did was point out a personal view from my own visits to the country.

kuntboy wrote: »

The naivety of this statement is staggering.

Back up your statement please.

The Article in question is over 5 years old, was inaccurate on various counts and yes, complains about the number of people in a neutral countries army, which was also incorrect.

Sonics2k wrote: »

Seemed very sensationalist don't you think, and quite a bit of hearsay.

Like it could of been written by an Evangelist from Idaho on the topic of Mexicans.

I've been to Sweden, have quite a lot of Swedish friends, I've mostly met through gaming, and even went out with a Swedish girl, but personally didn't think there was a huge amount of Muslims around while I was there. It was no London for example.

Edit:
The article also complains about Swedens Army. Sweden is a neutral country, it does not need a large army, just like Ireland has a small Army.

I have been to Sweden several times, and around 10 years back Malmo was overflowing with muslims. You must have been wearing a blindfold ?

tallus wrote: »

I have been to Sweden several times, and around 10 years back Malmo was overflowing with muslims. You must have been wearing a blindfold ?

Sorry I should of clarified what parts I was in, was mostly around Skövde, Gothenburg and Stockholm, and a few other towns. And it wasn't 10 years ago.

Now all I said was that the Muslim population did not seem that large to me, and at no point did any of my Swedish friends point out a large population.

Like I said in another post, it was a personal observation.

Gnobe wrote: »

It's a duty for rich countries to help out the poorer nations. Many people in those countries dream of being over here. Why oppose? There's plenty of space here.

That really is a ridiculously simplistic argument to put forward. So I shall respond in a simple manner that I hope you will understand:

There's plenty of space in Antarctica & Siberia. But do people from less developed countries want to move there? No. They want to move to what are perceived as richer countries as they feel that the opportunities available there will allow them a better standard of living.

That better standard of living comes at a cost. It is funded by the hard work & taxes of the people who work there already. The standard of living in Ireland is dropping due to our economic situation. There are less jobs for both natives & immigrants.

If work travel restrictions were removed & free immigration were allowed & people from 'poorer' nations moved here in there droves - what would happen? There'd be feck all jobs, they'd end up having to rely on state benefits & already overstretched state services & we'd all be royally screwed.

You are correct though that 'rich' countries should help out 'poor' countries. However, this should be done by supporting poorer local economies through investment & closer cultural & economic ties - not by taking ferry-loads of natives back home.

But back to your original statement in the thread title - "...It Is Very Racist To Oppose Immigration." Why is it racist? I don't think that you actually understand the meaning of the word if you put it in that context.

I oppose a free-for-all immigration policy in Ireland. My opposition is based on simple economics & sustainability (see above). My opposition is not based on me considering that every non-Irish person is genetically or culturally inferior to me & other Irish people.

tallus wrote: »

So was mine... a personal observation I mean.

I didn't find Stockholm to be anything like Malmo, ie: I didn't notice large numbers of any minority, but Malmo was totally different, and with time I would imagine that the numbers have grown considerably in the ten years or so since I was last there.

One town with a Muslim-population that is apparently disproportionate to the rest of the country is a poor example. It's like using Gort as an example of the Brazilian population and their impact in Ireland.

On the OP's question it's only racist to oppose immigration if the grounds for this opposition are merely the fact that the person comes from another country.

There are two groups of immigrants in Ireland; the highly skilled and the asylum seekers. When i refer to immigrants here I mean - Non EU.

The highly skilled immigrants are subjected to a very strict application process; similar to Australia, Canada and the UK. If successful, majority of these people do their best to integrate, they are high earners so can afford to live in the good areas, they raise their children accordingly.

The biggest problem with immigrants in Ireland is the segregation; some have integrated while others stick to their own communities. The reason for this is because of the constant begrudgery and racism which is slowly increasing with the current economic climate.

Immigrants are not the cause of the recession; most of them do not own houses as they are what we call 'economic' immigrants, they will need to be on a different stamp to acquire a mortgage (even when the banks were throwing mortgages at every Tom, Dick and Harry) and are subjected to stricter rules.

Now the asylum seekers; there are some genuine cases for seeking asylum and others have and are milking the system. Most asylum seekers are put in state accommodation until their cases are heard; if successful they are then placed in permanent accommodation and receive state benefits.

During the Celtic tiger, Ireland could afford to foot the bill - now we can't. My biggest problem with the asylum system in Ireland is the fact that there was no real incentive for integration, education and progression.

As human beings, constant improvement should be our priority - How to better ourselves. These asylum seekers are being given money to survive, no real system to allow them work/seek employment, self improvement e.t.c.
There should be a overhaul of the current process to change things for the better, this does not seem to be priority in the current governments’ agenda.

In 2006; the Polish people in Ireland sent over 1billion Euro to Poland. One of the reasons why AIB set up in Poland...
When the going was good we welcomed immigrants; we were happy for them to do jobs we couldn’t do and now when things are bad we want them to leave. It doesn’t work that way; what we all need to do is stop looking for people to blame and work towards bringing Ireland out of the mess we’re in. Our future, our generation’s future is at risk here and the sooner we work towards a better Ireland the earlier we pay off the €85bn to the IMF


I should also add; it’s not racist to oppose immigration.

Let be honest here - are we opposed immigration?

- If they're from a white rich country we're not opposed!

- if they're from the old eastern block - we're only a little opposed

- if they're black african, they're not really welcome.

so i think irish metallity on immergration is a little racist.






Also about Nigerian - did you know that Irish people can only visit the country if we have a return ticket!!!

look like they dont want any of our immergrants!

http://www.worldtravelguide.net/nigeria/passport-visa