.204 v's .22-250

andyone · 16-04-2011 05:45PM #1

i was on a similar forum on the net a uk based one.... and this question popped up ..... what would be the best calibur for mr fox... the .204 or the .22-250.... i know the uk laws are different to here.... so from an irish perspective.. i was wondering what peoples thought were...

http://youtu.be/fn4X25ZjJKE

after seeing this video..... i think i made the right choice..:D:D

dwighet · 16-04-2011 07:28PM

22-250

andyone · 16-04-2011 07:53PM

dwighet wrote: »

22-250

a man of few words but thanks. .

deerhunter1 · 16-04-2011 08:06PM

dwighet wrote: »

22-250

YEP

landkeeper · 16-04-2011 08:08PM

dwighet wrote: »

22-250

without a doubt:D as a foxing rifle the lightswitch would put the 204 into the hapenny place

dwighet · 16-04-2011 08:14PM

andyone wrote: »

a man of few words but thanks. .

ok

andyone · 16-04-2011 08:27PM

ok ok. . its a bit one sided. . because here a rifle is a rifle. . and all ammo comes of the shelf. . where as in the uk they are allowed to reload and I'm sure that cost's were factored into their decision's. . can they also get a 22-250 on their 22ticket. . . whereas here its a step up from the 22crowd in the eyes of the law. . maybe i should have made the question more related to Irish laws. . . . .22 v's .204 lol

landkeeper · 16-04-2011 08:39PM

what? you want to compare a 220 swift to a 204 now then

that's about as close as you can get :cool:
both easy to licence
still no contest swift wins hands down

andyone · 16-04-2011 09:46PM

landkeeper wrote: »

what? you want to compare a 220 swift to a 204 now then that's about as close as you can get :cool:
both easy to licence
still no contest swift wins hands down

so is it time i brought the .223 into the discussion. .

landkeeper · 16-04-2011 09:49PM

yep that'll liven up the debate bunny will be along in a minute with pictures from his 204 testing :cool:and tack will add some conversation too i bet

stick shooter · 16-04-2011 10:00PM

Should it not be down to what is the pros and cons to each calibre ,
What advantages or disadvantages .
What does each calibre do better than the other .
I would love to hear peoples opinion because they are so closely matched .

virminhunter · 16-04-2011 10:26PM

22-250, I'd love one, beats the swift on ft/lbs.

stick shooter · 16-04-2011 10:31PM

virminhunter wrote: »

22-250, I'd love one, beats the swift on ft/lbs.

How does it compare to the .204

virminhunter · 16-04-2011 10:36PM

stick shooter wrote: »

How does it compare to the .204

I've never owned either caliber, just reading about them, ya know yourself, if you leave money etc out of it it kicks the sh*t out of a .204 all day long, I'm fairly sure I'm right on this one:D way more energy

andyone · 16-04-2011 10:42PM

virminhunter wrote: »

22-250, I'd love one, beats the swift on ft/lbs.

maybe it would... but wouldn't one have to jump up the rifle owning ladder to get one...

:(

and if it beats the swift on ft/lbs how does it compare to the .204 for accuracy???:cool:

landkeeper · 16-04-2011 10:46PM

actually just having had a look at the hornady ammo info there aint a lot in it on mv bullet drop and ft/lbs
big crow pie for me there then lol

stick shooter · 16-04-2011 10:49PM

virminhunter wrote: »

I've never owned either caliber, just reading about them, ya know yourself, if you leave money etc out of it it kicks the sh*t out of a .204 all day long, I'm fairly sure I'm right on this one:D way more energy

I just looked up the figures and the 220 swift has more energy, But the 204 seems better in the wind and and less drop and more than enough kinetic energy for mr fox . Also i found interesting they are the fastest commercially loaded round on the market . Beating the 220 swift and the 22-250 on speed .

virminhunter · 16-04-2011 10:51PM

andyone wrote: »

maybe it would... but wouldn't one have to jump up the rifle owning ladder to get one... :(

and if it beats the swift on ft/lbs how does it compare to the .204 for accuracy???:cool:

you would have to step up the rifle owning ladder to own one, but thats what I was getting at when I said "leaving money etc. out" and just comparing the two rounds from a ballistic point of view, I'm not qualified to tell ya which is more accurate I'm sure someone else will, .204 is a great round and all you'll ever need for fox shooting I wouldnt be worried if a .22-250 is a better round or not.

virminhunter · 16-04-2011 10:54PM

stick shooter wrote: »

I just looked up the figures and the 220 swift has more energy, But the 204 seems better in the wind and and less drop and more than enough kinetic energy for mr fox . Also i found interesting they are the fastest commercially loaded round on the market . Beating the 220 swift and the 22-250 on speed .

sorry:o I coulda sworn I looked at a 55grain swift and a 55grain .22-250 somewhere and the .22-250 had more energy, I musta got mixed up.

EDIT I just looked up .220swift and .22-250 in 55grain vmax both have the exact same velocity, tragectory and energy(ft/lb) the .22-250 are $5a box cheaper than the swift

stick shooter · 16-04-2011 11:09PM

virminhunter wrote: »

sorry:o I coulda sworn I looked at a 55grain swift and a 55grain .22-250 somewhere and the .22-250 had more energy, I musta got mixed up.

EDIT I just looked up .220swift and .22-250 in 55grain vmax both have the exact same velocity, tragectory and energy(ft/lb) the .22-250 are $5a box cheaper than the swift

Sorry i meant the 204 for best speed , wind drift and drop .

andyone · 16-04-2011 11:27PM

FISMA wrote: »

andyone,
What is the most important factor for you or combination thereof: trajectory, performance, accuracy, precision, ammo cost, ammo availability?

At what distances will you be taking your shots? Will you be taking shots over 300ya?

The 223 is a great compromise of all of the above. If you are into shooting or need a bit of practice the 223 will not break the bank.

The 22-250 speaks for itself. However, the costs are considerably more than the 223. If you go the route of the 22-250 over the 223, you should have specific needs that only the 223 can meet.

Slan

i have no intention of buying a 22-250.... if you read the first post... i saw this else where and it got the lads talking.... thought it would be something to get the lads to discuss....

i've recently sold my .223 and am replacing it with a .204.... for better accuracy... and i'd like to extend my reach ....;)

Tackleberrywho · 17-04-2011 01:02AM

andyone wrote: »

i have no intention of buying a 22-250.... if you read the first post... i saw this else where and it got the lads talking.... thought it would be something to get the lads to discuss....

i've recently sold my .223 and am replacing it with a .204.... for better accuracy... and i'd like to extend my reach ....;)

That's open to debate

I have a super accurate .223 and 75 grain VLD's might be running through it soon.
They don't make .204 VLD's

andyone · 17-04-2011 09:23AM

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

That's open to debate

I have a super accurate .223 and 75 grain VLD's might be running through it soon.
They don't make .204 VLD's

very good tack. . my own .223 was doing less than an inch and a quarter at two hundred yards with the hornady 75 grs of the shelf. .

tell me what shelf are you getting the berger vld's off of. . .

tomcat220t · 17-04-2011 10:14AM

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

That's open to debate

I have a super accurate .223 and 75 grain VLD's might be running through it soon.
They don't make .204 VLD's

Whats your point tac?Punching paper is not what the .204 or .223 was desinged for .(It just so happens the .204 is super accurate ,anyway !Ive seen some very good .223s in the field and they just dont cut it when compared to a .204 .Now that you have a custom .223 your looking for VLD ammo

.As for the .22-250 Vs .204 ruger ,its down to what you want them to do .If you want a good fox and an ok deer rifle then the .22-250 ....Imo .243 would be a better setup for foxes and deer !If it like most of us who are looking for a very good fox ....vermint caliber then .204 ,hands down .The extra little bit for hitting power the .22-250 might bring to the table does not hold sway over the much more relevent qualitys the .204 ruger has ,imo.

andyone · 17-04-2011 10:52AM

you've hit my needs on the head. . imo I've made the right choice. . i don't think I'll ever be going down the road of shooting deer. . my needs are varmint control. . and as we all know. . the vermin get clever after a while. . and considering i can't buy them vld's of the shelf(so where are you getting them tac). . its .204 time on my lands. . .
and sure everyone and their brother has a .223

tomcat220t · 17-04-2011 11:00AM

andyone wrote: »

you've hit my needs on the head. . imo I've made the right choice. . i don't think I'll ever be going down the road of shooting deer. . my needs are varmint control. . and as we all know. . the vermin get clever after a while. . and considering i can't buy them vld's of the shelf(so where are you getting them tac). . its .204 time on my lands. . .
and sure everyone and their brother has a .223

The berger VLD 75gr in .223 is a match head !Not going to work well for foxes(wont expand).....and try master your ranges past 200 yards with that stone in the field

.

Tackleberrywho · 17-04-2011 11:03AM

andyone wrote: »

you've hit my needs on the head. . imo I've made the right choice. . i don't think I'll ever be going down the road of shooting deer. . my needs are varmint control. . and as we all know. . the vermin get clever after a while. . and considering i can't buy them vld's of the shelf(so where are you getting them tac). . its .204 time on my lands. . .
and sure everyone and their brother has a .223

The fox I shot last night did not seem to mind the .223

And I never mentioned deer?

I can shoot €14 federal to €26 Hornady and HPS all day long (off the shelf)

The round has noting to do with the fox being clever.
I outsmarted the fox last night but changing Tactics.

I shot him with a P7, now others will say that's not good enough for the Job either but it's shot several foxes for me so I'm happy out

bunny shooter · 17-04-2011 07:35PM

I'll be back :P

bunny shooter · 17-04-2011 07:59PM

http://6mmbr.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3197813

Have a gander at this

........................ for a start

poulo6.5 · 17-04-2011 08:22PM

andyone wrote: »

i have no intention of buying a 22-250.... if you read the first post... i saw this else where and it got the lads talking.... thought it would be something to get the lads to discuss....

i've recently sold my .223 and am replacing it with a .204.... for better accuracy... and i'd like to extend my reach ....;)

Sorry to but in here but if you can't hit it with a .223 then you won't hit it with anything.

Bullet does not make the shooter

virminhunter · 17-04-2011 10:01PM

bunny shooter wrote: »

http://6mmbr.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3197813

Have a gander at this ........................ for a start

that was a great read bunny;) both sides of the argument well covered, after reading it though I come away thinking a 1-9twist .22-250 using 75grain bullets was the way to go IF you could get ammo and licence one for vermin control, otherwise .204 all the way:)

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