Bastards, absolute ****ing bastards!

Irish Fire · 16-04-2011 12:13AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

I doubt it very much. Are you turning agnostic?

Don't really think I had to turn in the first place.... Love the idea of humanism, firm believe we are our on destiny and getting on your knees "praying" to some entity does not help in the least!!!!

RichieC · 16-04-2011 12:13AM

Buceph wrote: »

But you can't get them to do that without forcing them to change their beliefs. They believe that once you have been baptised you are a christian. You can reject God, but that doesn't stop you from falling under the purview of the God they believe in, and that's fundamental to their religion.

But equally, to anyone who does even basic investigation, so much as looking at wikipedia, would realise that the statistics the church use doesn't give accurate numbers of people who adhere to the faith, or practice the religion.

they only recently changed their rules about leaving the church as far as I know.

Buceph · 16-04-2011 12:15AM

RichieC wrote: »

they only recently changed their rules about leaving the church as far as I know.

They only clarified how they deal with their records. They always (for the purposes of this anyway) held the belief that once you're baptised you were christian.

KeithAFC · 16-04-2011 12:16AM

Irish Fire wrote: »

Don't really think I had to turn in the first place.... Love the idea of humanism, firm believe we are our on destiny and getting on your knees "praying" to some entity does not help in the least!!!!

I understand. Yeah. Iv always been fascinated with spirituality but i honestly don't care if there is no life after death. I love my sleep and i look at it as just one big eternal sleep. And i also don't want to go to heaven to talk to god who must be one hell of a boring being (or person, etc).

RichieC · 16-04-2011 12:16AM

Buceph wrote: »

They only clarified how they deal with their records. They always (for the purposes of this anyway) held the belief that once you're baptised you were christian.

Can you cite that? not being pedantic but I do want to actually see what you mean by that.

steddyeddy · 16-04-2011 12:16AM

I do feel very strongly about this subject and have nothing against catholicism and peoples right to practice it. It wasnt catholiscim that caused those kids to get abused but evil. It wasnt only the people in the church it was the gaurds who failed to act on reports of abuse.

CL32 · 16-04-2011 12:24AM

That's the strongest man in Ireland right there. I remember it well the night it happened - I was in tears watching it. That could have been my father or uncle talking. The dignity of that man, after what he had been through won't be forgotten.

KeithAFC. Now's your chance to show you're not a troll. Show some ****ing restraint for **** sake. Why don't you feel the need to comment on a thread that has nothing to do with taigs or prods? You must get the feeling that we're all trying to move on so why not try to join the party? Its not as if every thread on here is about South Armagh sniper teams or Shankill Butchers.

Irish Fire · 16-04-2011 12:24AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I do feel very strongly about this subject and have nothing against catholicism and peoples right to practice it. It wasnt catholiscim that caused those kids to get abused but evil. It wasnt only the people in the church it was the gaurds who failed to act on reports of abuse.

A lot of people have a lot to answer for....

aligator_am · 16-04-2011 12:25AM

RichieC wrote: »

Apparently they made it next to impossible, our only remaining strategy is to mark no religion (as I did) on the census and strip it of political sway.

I'm of the opinion that kids, up until the age of 18 should have no religion, then let them decide for themselves, let them see this sh1t stack of a world around us and then decide what religion they wanna be.

RichieC · 16-04-2011 12:27AM

aligator_am wrote: »

I'm of the opinion that kids, up until the age of 18 should have no religion, then let them decide for themselves, let them see this sh1t stack of a world around us and then decide what religion they wanna be.

A perfect world indeed... thats far to old though.. much harder to corrupt minds... it be only people who have hit rock bottom who'd become religious

no cash in that.

admiralofthefleet · 16-04-2011 12:27AM

i agree with keith afc, i absolutely despise the catholic cult (i wouldnt call it a religion) but i dont hate catholics, i just feel sorry for them and the fact that they have been brain washed by the richest, most dangerous and most evil cult on the planet

Irish Fire · 16-04-2011 12:28AM

aligator_am wrote: »

I'm of the opinion that kids, up until the age of 18 should have no religion, then let them decide for themselves, let them see this sh1t stack of a world around us and then decide what religion they wanna be.

Have to agree completely, it's the biggest argument in this house

Buceph · 16-04-2011 12:30AM

RichieC wrote: »

Can you cite that? not being pedantic but I do want to actually see what you mean by that.

I don't have the proof to hand. The site that showed you how to "get out" of the Catholic church spoke about it. Basically said that they're not showing you how to be unbaptised, i.e. removed from the religion. Just having your records deleted. I don't know that site offhand and I think the changed it when the church changed their procedures. If you know the site's name they might still have it up, or if you through it into the way back machine it might have the old version.

I can link you to the Roman Catholic's Catechism (a record of their doctire.) http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P3N.HTM That's about baptism and it'll show you how you're always part of 'god's family' once baptised. It says that sin won't remove you from it, and seeing as apostasy is just a particular form of a sin, then that won't cut it for getting you out of the religion.

I'm looking now to see what it says about excommunication.

Edit: Excommunication isn't enough to nullify the baptism either.

steddyeddy · 16-04-2011 12:30AM

Irish Fire wrote: »

A lot of people have a lot to answer for....

But few have. BBC newnight pointed out that several people high up in the gardai siochana failed to act on reports of peadophile priests and the files got "lost" in a lot of the cases. People commited suicide in some cases after these files were lost. The priests were the ones who tore the souls out of these kids and some gaurds let that happen.

aligator_am · 16-04-2011 12:31AM

RichieC wrote: »

A perfect world indeed... thats far to old though.. much harder to corrupt minds... it be only people who have hit rock bottom who'd become religious

no cash in that.

Lol, once I saw mention of cash I had to post this vid, for anyone sitting on the fence, this has to be an eye opener

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Donal Og O Baelach · 16-04-2011 12:33AM

dvpower wrote: »

wait 'till ye get a load of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGhdX1SI3KY

I like Hitler. He sent my dad a mass card when his brother died in England. I think that shows he was a good person. Oh...was that Hitler, or Michael ring? I do get confused lately.

Irish Fire · 16-04-2011 12:34AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

But few have. BBC newnight pointed out that several people high up in the gardai siochana failed to act on reports of peadophile priests and the files got "lost" in a lot of the cases. People commited suicide in some cases after these files were lost. The priests were the ones who tore the souls out of these kids and some gaurds let that happen.

Part of a problem that we haven't seen the end of.....

admiralofthefleet · 16-04-2011 12:37AM

all going well i will be a father in october. there is absolutely no way my child will enter or intereact in any way with the catholic cult. we are not having him or her christened and dont care what people in our families may or may not say. we will be sending him or her to an educate together and when there are old enough to decide for themselves about religion they can choose as the please

Irish Fire · 16-04-2011 12:39AM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

all going well i will be a father in october. there is absolutely no way my child will enter or intereact in any way with the catholic cult. we are not having him or her christened and dont care what people in our families may or may not say. we will be sending him or her to an educate together and when there are old enough to decide for themselves about religion they can choose as the please

The good ol' church are trying to muscle in there to.....

Best of luck by the way hope all goes well

aligator_am · 16-04-2011 12:41AM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

all going well i will be a father in october. there is absolutely no way my child will enter or intereact in any way with the catholic cult. we are not having him or her christened and dont care what people in our families may or may not say. we will be sending him or her to an educate together and when there are old enough to decide for themselves about religion they can choose as the please

Good on ya, and congrats on the baby en route

admiralofthefleet · 16-04-2011 12:41AM

Irish Fire wrote: »

The good ol' church are trying to muscle in there to.....

Best of luck by the way hope all goes well

where? the educate together?

westendgirlie · 16-04-2011 12:42AM

I really can't understand why the church, guards and state don't just denounce all of the evil do'ers. If any are still alive, prosecute them!

Nobody blames the priests, guards and politicians that have joined since. They were not the ones who caused that man's (and many others) pain. But why the establishments they belong to say nothing? I just don't get it. Really, I don't.

I hope i'm making sense.

k4kate · 16-04-2011 12:44AM

I cried watching this, not just for that poor man and the nightmare he went through but for the innocent, unprotected child he was.

Irish Fire · 16-04-2011 12:52AM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

where? the educate together?

Yep, because it's in the school rules set down by the dept of education that all children should be thought some form of religion in school

admiralofthefleet · 16-04-2011 01:02AM

Irish Fire wrote: »

Yep, because it's in the school rules set down by the dept of education that all children should be thought some form of religion in school

ill be looking into this, thanks for the heads up

partyatmygaff · 16-04-2011 01:02AM

aligator_am wrote: »

I'm of the opinion that kids, up until the age of 18 should have no religion, then let them decide for themselves, let them see this sh1t stack of a world around us and then decide what religion they wanna be.

People under the age of 18 are not brain dead. If a parent wants to baptise their child or induct them in to their own Religion then they have every right to do so. They're simply doing what they think is right for their own child.

General General · 16-04-2011 01:07AM

Irish Fire wrote: »

Yep, because it's in the school rules set down by the dept of education that all children should be thought some form of religion in school

Fantastic. I'm publishing a book; what every kid needs to know about death cults.

RichieC · 16-04-2011 01:08AM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

People under the age of 18 are not brain dead. If a parent wants to baptise their child or induct them in to their own Religion then they have every right to do so. They're simply doing what they think is right for their own child.

Which is brainwashing their child with nonsense about an invisible man in the sky. yes. you're correct. that is their right.

just as it's the right of militant Islamics to brainwash their children, I guess.

NewHillel · 16-04-2011 01:14AM

aligator_am wrote: »

Lol, once I saw mention of cash I had to post this vid, for anyone sitting on the fence, this has to be an eye opener

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Indeed it is - shameful that it be allowed on boards. :pac:

partyatmygaff · 16-04-2011 01:16AM

RichieC wrote: »

Which is brainwashing their child with nonsense about an invisible man in the sky. yes. you're correct. that is their right.

What you think is nonsense may not be so for others. The fact of the matter is that parents do what is best for their children. They base their decisions on what they think is best.

just as it's the right of militant Islamics to brainwash their children, I guess.

Hyperbole...

Bastards, absolute ****ing bastards!

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