IMF over here today reviewing our public service.

Dozen Wicked Words · 14-04-2011 02:16PM

Finland? Full of F*ckin Dublin Ambulance drivers.

For page upon page upon page of ALL these arguments the Irish Economy forum is the place you can pop over to, cut and then paste here in AH. Look out for the dogs on the street (they know all) and sacred cows, of which there are many.

dj jarvis · 14-04-2011 02:26PM

bryaner wrote: »

Drivel..

please point out where ?? ill wait or are you another keyboard warrior ???

LOL DID you read the title of this thread ?
the CPA was for fun was it ?
the IMF are here to review what they flagged was a 40% difference in payments
so im talking drivel am i ???
i had better ring them all and tell them they are making a mistake according to bryaner in his bunker of knowledge in meath
im sure they cant wait

bryaner · 14-04-2011 02:34PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

sorry but the 40% is calculated on ALL income and outgoings in each state
this was flagged by the IMF last time they were in town

and have you been 2 finland recently ? they are paid less - taxes are higher and cost of living is same as here , we are ALL going to get a huge drop in living standards very very soon

and i can see the german/french/finnish point of veiw , why should they pay for our OVER PAID civil service - FF added 70,000 new servants in less then 10 years ( 7 billion extra )

you do the math - if i was a servant of the state i would start hording canned food and bottled water - your going 2 need it

The drivel is in bold.

bryaner · 14-04-2011 02:36PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

please point out where ?? ill wait or are you another keyboard warrior ???

LOL DID you read the title of this thread ?
the CPA was for fun was it ?
the IMF are here to review what they flagged was a 40% difference in payments
so im talking drivel am i ???
i had better ring them all and tell them they are making a mistake according to bryaner in his bunker of knowledge in meath
im sure they cant wait

Your location says it all..:rolleyes:

Wibbs · 14-04-2011 02:41PM

We have a bloated inefficient public service and the highest paid in the western world We have the highest paid dolies in the western world too. And please please bugger off all those who come the poor mouth on this. That sense of entitlement and lack of fiscal forethought is what has gotten us to this stage. These financial drains and daftness needs to be slashed. Somethings got to give.

OH and BTW I'd be "burning the bondholders" on first principle. Actually scratch that I'd be saying "Fúck off to the bondholders".

Wibbs · 14-04-2011 02:43PM

bryaner wrote: »

The drivel is in bold.

Actually on the Finnish front he/she's not inaccurate. The canned food of course bit is clearly OTT.

dj jarvis · 14-04-2011 02:45PM

bryaner wrote: »

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The drivel is in bold.

ok so ill ask again , have you ever been 2 finland ? i know because my wife and 2 children are Finnish citizens , i KNOW what the cost of living is in Finland , trust me if it was cheaper i would be living there , wouldn't I

the dole is a lot less - the income tax is higher - hence the reason the new right wing political has topped the polls in Finland - one key point is not having to pay for Irish civil servants, it a big debate in that country , the Finnish government has ALREADY pointed this out publicly , but you being the font of all knowledge you already know this :eek:

and for you second highlighted point, if poss 30,000 people are going to be let go and a min of 20% wage cut would you not start " saving " ?

but sure you can bang out one word responses all day but sure why dont ya go on and prove me wrong , again im here all day

dj jarvis · 14-04-2011 02:46PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually on the Finnish front he/she's not inaccurate. The canned food of course bit is clearly OTT.

thank you. it was a over statement to make a point but some bunker dwellers just aint getting it

bryaner · 14-04-2011 02:47PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

ok so ill ask again , have you ever been 2 finland ? i know because my wife and 2 children are Finnish citizens , i KNOW what the cost of living is in Finland , trust me if it was cheaper i would be living there , wouldn't I

the dole is a lot less - the income tax is higher - hence the reason the new right wing political has topped the polls in Finland - one key point is not having to pay for Irish civil servants, it a big debate in that country , the Finnish government has ALREADY pointed this out publicly , but you being the font of all knowledge you already know this :eek:

and for you second highlighted point, if poss 30,000 people are going to be let go and a min of 20% wage cut would you not start " saving " ?

but sure you can bang out one word responses all day but sure why dont ya go on and prove me wrong , again im here all day

Social security in Finland is, compared internationally, very comprehensive. In the late 1980s, Finland had one of the world's most advanced welfare systems, one that guaranteed decent living conditions for all Finns. Since then social security has been cut back, but still the system is one of the most comprehensive in the world. Created almost entirely during the first three decades after World War II, the social security system was an outgrowth of the traditional Nordic belief that the state was not inherently hostile to the well-being of its citizens, but could intervene benevolently on their behalf. According to some social historians, the basis of this belief was a relatively benign history that had allowed the gradual emergence of a free and independent peasantry in the Nordic countries and had curtailed the dominance of the nobility and the subsequent formation of a powerful right wing. Finland's history has been harsher than the histories of the other Nordic countries, but not harsh enough to bar the country from following their path of social development.[1]

http://www.nordisketax.net/main.asp?url=files/suo/eng/i07.asp&c=suo&l=eng&m=02

dj jarvis · 14-04-2011 02:50PM

bryaner wrote: »

Your location says it all..:rolleyes:

WOW i NEVER heard that before , your really on fire today aint ya:eek:

Refugee from RealLife · 14-04-2011 02:53PM

Why shouldn't the IMF be over here reviewing the PS, they are paying for it. At least they might stop the money being pissed away by shoddy management.

dj jarvis · 14-04-2011 02:58PM

bryaner wrote: »

Social security in Finland is, compared internationally, very comprehensive. In the late 1980s, Finland had one of the world's most advanced welfare systems, one that guaranteed decent living conditions for all Finns. Since then social security has been cut back, but still the system is one of the most comprehensive in the world. Created almost entirely during the first three decades after World War II, the social security system was an outgrowth of the traditional Nordic belief that the state was not inherently hostile to the well-being of its citizens, but could intervene benevolently on their behalf. According to some social historians, the basis of this belief was a relatively benign history that had allowed the gradual emergence of a free and independent peasantry in the Nordic countries and had curtailed the dominance of the nobility and the subsequent formation of a powerful right wing. Finland's history has been harsher than the histories of the other Nordic countries, but not harsh enough to bar the country from following their path of social development.

[1]

so the best you can come up with was a paragraph on how good the Finnish social welfare system is ???
i never said it was not , it was the cost of living we were talking about
still dont change the point i made that the cost of living is about the same but in Ireland the dole is much higher , the civil service gets paid a LOT more over here but yet the costs are very similar

so try keep on topic if ya can - its about irish civil servants being paid 2 much and the fact that the IMF is going to change that very soon

the assertion that the irish should get more because everything is more expensive is just not true , and you can try bull**** an answer in return but it still wont change the facts and figures

MagicSean · 14-04-2011 02:58PM

Refugee from RealLife wrote: »

Why shouldn't the IMF be over here reviewing the PS, they are paying for it. At least they might stop the money being pissed away by shoddy management.

No they aren't. We are paying for it. They're just the loan shark.

bryaner · 14-04-2011 03:00PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

WOW i NEVER heard that before , your really on fire today aint ya:eek:

Think you have a keyboard problem.

MagicSean · 14-04-2011 03:01PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

so the best you can come up with was a paragraph on how good the Finnish social welfare system is ???
i never said it was not , it was the cost of living we were talking about
still dont change the point i made that the cost of living is about the same but in Ireland the dole is much higher , the civil service gets paid a LOT more over here but yet the costs are very similar

so try keep on topic if ya can - its about irish civil servants being paid 2 much and the fact that the IMF is going to change that very soon

the assertion that the irish should get more because everything is more expensive is just not true , and you can try bull**** an answer in return but it still wont change the facts and figures

You have to compare all aspects. There's no point leaving it at a comparison of gross pay and income tax. PRSI, USC, pension levy need to be taken into account as well as cost of living. You also need to look at what you get in return for the tax you pay too.

bryaner · 14-04-2011 03:02PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

ok so ill ask again , have you ever been 2 finland ? i know because my wife and 2 children are Finnish citizens , i KNOW what the cost of living is in Finland , trust me if it was cheaper i would be living there , wouldn't I

the dole is a lot less - the income tax is higher - hence the reason the new right wing political has topped the polls in Finland - one key point is not having to pay for Irish civil servants, it a big debate in that country , the Finnish government has ALREADY pointed this out publicly , but you being the font of all knowledge you already know this :eek:

and for you second highlighted point, if poss 30,000 people are going to be let go and a min of 20% wage cut would you not start " saving " ?

but sure you can bang out one word responses all day but sure why dont ya go on and prove me wrong , again im here all day

Did you not..;)

bryaner · 14-04-2011 03:04PM

k_mac wrote: »

You have to compare all aspects. There's no point leaving it at a comparison of gross pay and income tax. PRSI, USC, pension levy need to be taken into account as well as cost of living. You also need to look at what you get in return for the tax you pay too.

Why do Finland not lob all their tax money into dud banks as well?

dj jarvis · 14-04-2011 03:10PM

bryaner wrote: »

Why do Finland not lob all their tax money into dud banks as well?

bank debt and sovereign debt are two different things , please keep up

also you still have not answered why said governments should pay for our bloted and over paid civil service ???

THEY ARE PAYING _ THEY WILL CALL THE TUNE

i direct you to my first post , please read it

bryaner · 14-04-2011 03:19PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

bank debt and sovereign debt are two different things , please keep up

also you still have not answered why said governments should pay for our bloted and over paid civil service ???

THEY ARE PAYING _ THEY WILL CALL THE TUNE

i direct you to my first post , please read it

Are you ok? Have you been in a coma.

They should be separate but not now.

dj jarvis · 14-04-2011 03:23PM

k_mac wrote: »

You have to compare all aspects. There's no point leaving it at a comparison of gross pay and income tax. PRSI, USC, pension levy need to be taken into account as well as cost of living. You also need to look at what you get in return for the tax you pay too.

i can compare , the Finnish system also has charges ( called other names but roughly the same as ours ) and they still pay out more in direct/indirect taxes but they get paid less in employment , civil service or on the dole

now what part of that are people not getting ?

Dozen Wicked Words · 14-04-2011 03:24PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

i can compare , the Finnish system also has charges ( called other names but roughly the same as ours ) and they still pay out more in direct/indirect taxes but they get paid less in employment , civil service or on the dole

now what part of that are people not getting ?

Im not getting the dole.

dj jarvis · 14-04-2011 03:26PM

bryaner wrote: »

Are you ok? Have you been in a coma.

They should be separate but not now.

you really are having trouble keeping up are you not ,

the rest of europe is giving out about how much we pay our civil service , and rightly so seeing they are now paying for it
at what point did bank debt come into the civil service pay bill ???/

go back to bed , you need 2 rest your head a bit

again read my first 2 posts and you will maybe understand

have a look at the comparisons in wages , nothing said or mentioned about the ****ing banking debt
jeez they let anyone on the net these days :mad:

bryaner · 14-04-2011 03:29PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

you really are having trouble keeping up are you not ,

the rest of europe is giving out about how much we pay our civil service , and rightly so seeing they are now paying for it
at what point did bank debt come into the civil service pay bill ???/

go back to bed , you need 2 rest your head a bit

again read my first 2 posts and you will maybe understand

have a look at the comparisons in wages , nothing said or mentioned about the ****ing banking debt
jeez they let anyone on the net these days :mad:

Post 49.:rolleyes:

bryaner · 14-04-2011 03:41PM

k_mac was trying to point out to you (albeit hard) what people in other countries get in return for paying their taxes, I quoted his post asking do the Finnish not pump their tax into dud banks.

My point being taxpayers money in this country is getting thrown away into defunct banks and not being used for infrastructure, health, public transport and amenities etc etc like they are in real countries.

thebigbiffo · 14-04-2011 03:41PM

dj jarvis, bryaner

y u no stop flirting with each other and just f'uck??

bryaner · 14-04-2011 03:45PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

dj jarvis, bryaner

y u no stop flirting with each other and just f'uck??

I would but he's up his own arse already..:D

thebigbiffo · 14-04-2011 03:51PM

bryaner wrote: »

I would but he's up his own arse already..:D

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Phill Ewinn · 14-04-2011 03:52PM

bryaner wrote: »

k_mac was trying to point out to you (albeit hard) what people in other countries get in return for paying their taxes, I quoted his post asking do the Finnish not pump their tax into dud banks.

My point being taxpayers money in this country is getting thrown away into defunct banks and not being used for infrastructure, health, public transport and amenities etc etc like they are in real countries.

We just had a GE. This subject was covered. The majority of the country want dud banks to be pumped with cash.

bonzos · 14-04-2011 04:04PM

If the IMF starts to review our public service does this mean that the passport machine will "break down" again......and the person(s) who job description is to answer the phones will go on holidays/sick again?????

thebigbiffo · 14-04-2011 04:16PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

We just had a GE. This subject was covered. The majority of the country want dud banks to be pumped with cash.

i wouldn't think this is entirely true.

IMF over here today reviewing our public service.

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