IMF over here today reviewing our public service.

Phill Ewinn · 14-04-2011 12:43PM #1

Newstalk reported the IMF are in town to put their stamp on the public service funding by tjhe state. If benchmarked by other european nations pay and pensions might fall as much as 40% for those currently employed or retired. Is this it for the golden circle of higher paid PS workers in this oligarchy? We're to find out in Sept when payments from theIMF will be cut if we don't conform.

mickydoomsux · 14-04-2011 12:53PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Newstalk reported the IMF are in town to put their stamp on the public service funding by tjhe state. If benchmarked by other european nations pay and pensions might fall as much as 40% for those currently employed or retired. Is this it for the golden circle of higher paid PS workers in this oligarchy? We're to find out in Sept when payments from theIMF will be cut if we don't conform.

Will they be cutting welfare payments by 40% as well?

mathie · 14-04-2011 12:54PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Newstalk reported the IMF are in town to put their stamp on the public service funding by tjhe state. If benchmarked by other european nations pay and pensions might fall as much as 40% for those currently employed or retired. Is this it for the golden circle of higher paid PS workers in this oligarchy? We're to find out in Sept when payments from theIMF will be cut if we don't conform.

Nope that will be protected at all costs.

Lando Griffin · 14-04-2011 12:56PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Will they be cutting welfare payments by 40% as well?

Only for those who go to the welfare office wearing pagamas.

MagicSean · 14-04-2011 12:56PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

pay and pensions might fall as much as 40%

I'd be better off resigning, declaring bankruptcy and living on the welfare train.

Phill Ewinn · 14-04-2011 01:02PM

k_mac wrote: »

I'd be better off resigning, declaring bankruptcy and living on the welfare train.

There'll be ques around the block for your job as soon as you do.

MagicSean · 14-04-2011 01:03PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

There'll be ques around the block for your job as soon as you do.

I doubt it. There's a recruitment embargo.

admiralofthefleet · 14-04-2011 01:04PM

the should go up to the restaraunt royale on stephen street to see the real dublin

phasers · 14-04-2011 01:07PM

Sack everyone! Cut the dole by 100%!

Problem?

th3 s1aught3r · 14-04-2011 01:13PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Newstalk reported the IMF are in town to put their stamp on the public service funding by tjhe state. If benchmarked by other european nations pay and pensions might fall as much as 40% for those currently employed or retired. Is this it for the golden circle of higher paid PS workers in this oligarchy? We're to find out in Sept when payments from theIMF will be cut if we don't conform.

its probably hard for a German to understand why they are loaning money to a bankrupt country and then find out that the Iirsh public servents are among the highest paid in the world. :eek:
So they will just say right lads, no more cash unless you sort this sh1t out
The governemt wont do anything unless a gun to their heads, after all they are public servents and on the gravy train for years too

mickydoomsux · 14-04-2011 01:19PM

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

its probably hard for a German to understand why they are loaning money to a bankrupt country and then find out that the Iirsh public servents are among the highest paid in the world. :eek:
So they will just say right lads, no more cash unless you sort this sh1t out
The governemt wont do anything unless a gun to their heads, after all they are public servents and on the gravy train for years too

I love that public servants including politicians are on the gravy train because they are amoung the highest paid in the world, yet our welfare payments are some of the highest in the world and people kick up a stink if you suggest people are on the welfare gravy train.

pragmatic1 · 14-04-2011 01:23PM

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

its probably hard for a German to understand why they are loaning money to a bankrupt country and then find out that the Iirsh public servents are among the highest paid in the world. :eek:
So they will just say right lads, no more cash unless you sort this sh1t out
The governemt wont do anything unless a gun to their heads, after all they are public servents and on the gravy train for years too

Its hard for Irish people to understand why we're getting billions in loans so we can give it to private German institutions.

ilovesleep · 14-04-2011 01:24PM

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

its probably hard for a German to understand why they are loaning money to a bankrupt country and then find out that the Iirsh public servents are among the highest paid in the world. :eek:
So they will just say right lads, no more cash unless you sort this sh1t out
The governemt wont do anything unless a gun to their heads, after all they are public servents and on the gravy train for years too

Germany had the debts of WW2 to pay off until last year. Ireland was thrieving at one stage and was able to some degree to pay high PS, SW pay. 1 of the problems Ireland has is the deficit, when people started to lose jobs the tax band narrowed and wasn't corrected on time. For some time we were good. It doesn't matter wheather for example SW is 188 or 100 a week, there would still be a deficit, maybe not as large.

I wonder if Germany didnt have the ww2 debts to pay off would they have been able to pay a little more in sw instead of treating their citizens like dying dogs

sbsquarepants · 14-04-2011 01:25PM

I love that public servants including politicians are on the gravy train because they are amoung the highest paid in the world, yet our welfare payments are some of the highest in the world and people kick up a stink if you suggest people are on the welfare gravy train.

I know which train i'd rather be on!

SEPT 23 1989 · 14-04-2011 01:26PM

The Germans are not noted for their sense of humour

pragmatic1 · 14-04-2011 01:29PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I love that public servants including politicians are on the gravy train because they are amoung the highest paid in the world, yet our welfare payments are some of the highest in the world and people kick up a stink if you suggest people are on the welfare gravy train.

What welfare payments are you referring to. Is it just the baddies on the dole or is it carers, pensions and disability too.

smokedeels · 14-04-2011 01:29PM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

the should go up to the restaraunt royale on stephen street to see the real dublin

What's the menu like, these people feed exclusively on the souls of orphans

dj jarvis · 14-04-2011 01:29PM

about time

a ambulance driver working in Dublin ( lets say right off the bat they do a job i admire 100% and is needed beyond doubt ) get paid more than
a jnr CONSULTANT in a Finnish hospital ,

a jnr teacher in Ireland get paid more than university lecturer in Germany

even with price difference civil servants in Ireland get paid roughly 40% more than the European equivalent

so i tell you this now - the savings needed from the CPD will not be made ,
the Germans ( imf and emf ) will make this following move
they WILL turn off the cash flow tap unless the civil service wages and numbers are cut , simple as that
they view it as a forgone conclusion and tbh we will have NO legs 2 stand on ,

merkle will not lose her election because they are bank rolling over paid irish civil servants , german public opinion will make sure of this

ALL THESE savings need 2 be made by end of summer , they are back in town in september and if we dont do it then they (imf / emf ) WILL

we cant afford to run the country - savage cuts that most of the private sector have taken will now be leveled at the service and then some

mark my words un less a donor gives Ireland inc 7 BILLION , heads in the civil service are gonna roll like never before

he who pays the piper calls the tune , atbh we stopped paying the bills years ago

sbsquarepants · 14-04-2011 01:31PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The Germans are not noted for their sense of humour

They aren't all that great at winning wars either.
We should tell them we're keeping their bailout money and threaten to kick their asses if they rat.:D

themadchef · 14-04-2011 01:31PM

They have us by the balls now. Cut or be cut.

FF didint have the guts to do it, FG can blame the IMF and finally it will be done. Public sector, welfare and services cuts. Slash and burn and get on with it. Deficit of over 10% here guys, imagine running a business like that?

danbohan · 14-04-2011 01:33PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Newstalk reported the IMF are in town to put their stamp on the public service funding by tjhe state. If benchmarked by other european nations pay and pensions might fall as much as 40% for those currently employed or retired. Is this it for the golden circle of higher paid PS workers in this oligarchy? We're to find out in Sept when payments from theIMF will be cut if we don't conform.

stop it now , your getting me very exited !

Dyr · 14-04-2011 01:37PM

smokedeels wrote: »

What's the menu like, these people feed exclusively on the souls of orphans

the only souls in the restaurant royale are lost ones :eek:

bryaner · 14-04-2011 01:39PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Germany had the debts of WW2 to pay off until last year. Ireland was thrieving at one stage and was able to some degree to pay high PS, SW pay. 1 of the problems Ireland has is the deficit, when people started to lose jobs the tax band narrowed and wasn't corrected on time. For some time we were good. It doesn't matter wheather for example SW is 188 or 100 a week, there would still be a deficit, maybe not as large.

I wonder if Germany didnt have the ww2 debts to pay off would they have been able to pay a little more in sw instead of treating their citizens like dying dogs

What about their debts from November 1989?

Coriolanus · 14-04-2011 01:44PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I love that public servants including politicians are on the gravy train because they are amoung the highest paid in the world, yet our welfare payments are some of the highest in the world and people kick up a stink if you suggest people are on the welfare gravy train.

I think you'll find that most people giving out about the ps also give. ouyt qboit the welfare.

LETHAL LADY · 14-04-2011 01:46PM

danbohan wrote: »

stop it now , your getting me very exited !

Great to see someone take such delight on the misery about to be inflicted on the Irish people.

mick kk · 14-04-2011 01:49PM

i will gladly take a pay cut of 40% - no problem....as long as my ever increasing mortgage repayments, creche fee [another mortgage of sorts], petrol for my car, health inurance, doctors fees [60 euro this week and 60 two weeks ago] etc. are also cut by 40%...I know..prices are falling but none of these things are falling in price.....I love the way our wages are compared with those of our neighbours...yet the taxes paid by those in the countries we are compared with are often lower, healthcare costs are usually lower [e.g NHS in UK means that health insurance is not essential]...When comparing with other countries these things must be taken into account..otherwise you simply cannot compare.

MagicSean · 14-04-2011 01:57PM

I'd also gladly accept a 40% paycut if we could default and declare a mortgage amnesty for private dwellings.

delonglad · 14-04-2011 02:00PM

mick kk wrote: »

I love the way our wages are compared with those of our neighbours...yet the taxes paid by those in the countries we are compared with are often lower

You'll find that the Dutch, Germans, Danish, French pay more than Ireland. Quick google http://www.businesspundit.com/12-countries-with-the-highest-lowest-tax-rates/

hardCopy · 14-04-2011 02:04PM

k_mac wrote: »

I'd also gladly accept a 40% paycut if we could default and declare a mortgage amnesty for private dwellings.

Cool, just gimme a heads up so I can buy a house first

dj jarvis · 14-04-2011 02:06PM

mick kk wrote: »

i will gladly take a pay cut of 40% - no problem....as long as my ever increasing mortgage repayments, creche fee [another mortgage of sorts], petrol for my car, health inurance, doctors fees [60 euro this week and 60 two weeks ago] etc. are also cut by 40%...I know..prices are falling but none of these things are falling in price.....I love the way our wages are compared with those of our neighbours...yet the taxes paid by those in the countries we are compared with are often lower, healthcare costs are usually lower [e.g NHS in UK means that health insurance is not essential]...When comparing with other countries these things must be taken into account..otherwise you simply cannot compare.

sorry but the 40% is calculated on ALL income and outgoings in each state
this was flagged by the IMF last time they were in town

and have you been 2 finland recently ? they are paid less - taxes are higher and cost of living is same as here , we are ALL going to get a huge drop in living standards very very soon

and i can see the german/french/finnish point of veiw , why should they pay for our OVER PAID civil service - FF added 70,000 new servants in less then 10 years ( 7 billion extra )

you do the math - if i was a servant of the state i would start hording canned food and bottled water - your going 2 need it

bryaner · 14-04-2011 02:11PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

sorry but the 40% is calculated on ALL income and outgoings in each state
this was flagged by the IMF last time they were in town

and have you been 2 finland recently ? they are paid less - taxes are higher and cost of living is same as here , we are ALL going to get a huge drop in living standards very very soon

and i can see the german/french/finnish point of veiw , why should they pay for our OVER PAID civil service - FF added 70,000 new servants in less then 10 years ( 7 billion extra )

you do the math - if i was a servant of the state i would start hording canned food and bottled water - your going 2 need it

Drivel..

IMF over here today reviewing our public service.

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