Science TR071

Jammyc · 13-04-2011 02:39PM

Enzyme Kinetics- Competitive Inhibtion.
Cell signalling is handy.

How do you go about studying Evolution? It just seems to be random information?

celtic723 · 13-04-2011 02:44PM

Jammyc wrote: »

Enzyme Kinetics- Competitive Inhibtion.
Cell signalling is handy.

How do you go about studying Evolution? It just seems to be random information?

Are you only going to cover those two ye?

I'm finished Enzyme Kinetics and i'm on to The Cytoskeleton stuff at the moment.

Evolution is a bit tricky to study i find anyway.

The way i'm going to work it is i'll review the lectures once more and get a feel for how the two lecturers formulated their set of lectures and approach it from that perspective.

I don't think you're supposed to name lecturers but i'm sure you'll know who i'm talking about when i say that one of them prefers your answer to be crisp to the point and contain examples that back it up. The other is more theory related and wants you to go into more depth about the genetic side and the likes.

celtic723 · 13-04-2011 02:53PM

amacachi wrote: »

I assume the paper is the same as last year yeah? I'll just do two topics and one other to cover myself. Still haven't started any revising yet but I'll be fine. :pac:

Assume so ye.

I really don't have time to do that extra one. There's far too much i find anyway.

I'm sure you'll see when you get started.

amacachi · 13-04-2011 03:00PM

celtic723 wrote: »

Assume so ye.

I really don't have time to do that extra one. There's far too much i find anyway.

I'm sure you'll see when you get started.

Fair point, I really don't have a clue how much I have to do tbh. I'm lucky enough that I've a couple of subjects that I'm pretty sure I have good knowledge of already and just need to read some papers for examples and references and that so I should be able to focus on the biochem-y type of stuff that I have literally no idea about.

Jammyc · 13-04-2011 03:38PM

celtic723 wrote: »

Are you only going to cover those two ye?

I'm finished Enzyme Kinetics and i'm on to The Cytoskeleton stuff at the moment.

Evolution is a bit tricky to study i find anyway.

The way i'm going to work it is i'll review the lectures once more and get a feel for how the two lecturers formulated their set of lectures and approach it from that perspective.

I don't think you're supposed to name lecturers but i'm sure you'll know who i'm talking about when i say that one of them prefers your answer to be crisp to the point and contain examples that back it up. The other is more theory related and wants you to go into more depth about the genetic side and the likes.

Yeah, I get you.

Nah, well I'll cover those and have a fair whack at the stuff we covered at the beginning. Shouldn't be too bad.

What is everyone going for? I put Physiology as my number 1.

amacachi · 13-04-2011 03:42PM

Jammyc wrote: »

Yeah, I get you.

Nah, well I'll cover those and have a fair whack at the stuff we covered at the beginning. Shouldn't be too bad.

What is everyone going for? I put Physiology as my number 1.

Think I went Zoology, Physiology, Functional Biology, Environmental Science, Plant Sciences, Geography. Doubt I'll get near the top 3 I put down and shouldn't have put Environmental Science so high up.

Jammyc · 13-04-2011 03:45PM

amacachi wrote: »

Think I went Zoology, Physiology, Functional Biology, Environmental Science, Plant Sciences, Geography. Doubt I'll get near the top 3 I put down and shouldn't have put Environmental Science so high up.

Cool. I wouldn't give up on it straight away. I was talking to a lecturer in physiology a while back and was told a higher II.2 had secured entry in previous years, that kind of relaxed me a bit.

amacachi · 13-04-2011 03:46PM

Jammyc wrote: »

Cool. I wouldn't give up on it straight away. I was talking to a lecturer in physiology a while back and was told a higher II.2 had secured entry in previous years, that kind of relaxed me a bit.

Find that very surprising I have to admit.

Jammyc · 13-04-2011 03:53PM

amacachi wrote: »

Find that very surprising I have to admit.

So did I tbh. Seems do-able. Some papers will be ****e but others that go decently will pull up the grade I reckon. Also gotta discount from first round offers, anybody who has to sit resits, which I've heard was high in SF last year.

amacachi · 13-04-2011 03:56PM

Jammyc wrote: »

So did I tbh. Seems do-able. Some papers will be ****e but others that go decently will pull up the grade I reckon. Also gotta discount from first round offers, anybody who has to sit resits, which I've heard was high in SF last year.

That's something I was wondering, is it purely the average mark you get that counts for next year, or is it weighted depending on the credits per subject, and if you fail one subject does that basically mean your average doesn't count at all and are left with whatever spots are left after the repeats?

Jammyc · 13-04-2011 04:25PM

amacachi wrote: »

That's something I was wondering, is it purely the average mark you get that counts for next year, or is it weighted depending on the credits per subject, and if you fail one subject does that basically mean your average doesn't count at all and are left with whatever spots are left after the repeats?

Just checked the booklet there. It says that;

All students passing their summer examination will be ranked in merit order on the basis of their overall mark. Places will be allocated in rank order.
Students failing the Annual Examinations must reapply for the remaining unfulfilled places until quotas are reached.
In the event of two ore more students having equal overall averages seeking one place, the choice will be made in favour of the student gaining the higher mark in he SF module which best encompasses and includes the moderatorship discipline.

Looking at the SF exam regulations too and it seems you can compensate for up to ten credits as long as you got 35-39% in it.

celtic723 · 13-04-2011 04:51PM

Jammyc wrote: »

Yeah, I get you.

Nah, well I'll cover those and have a fair whack at the stuff we covered at the beginning. Shouldn't be too bad.

What is everyone going for? I put Physiology as my number 1.

Jaysus, fair play to ya going over the other stuff as well.

How is everyone fixed for the exams anyway? I've just started studying and am a bit skeptical about Metabolism among others.

13-04-2011 05:29PM

I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact I'll be doing at least 4 supplemental exams, but since I put Plant Sciences as number 1 I'd say it'll be a case of me either failing so badly that I have to drop out, or I'll get my number one. Meant to start studying today but I found a millipede in my bedroom and on further inspection a whole load of spiders too, so the next few days will contain nothing other than a vacuum cleaner and a truck load of cleaning supplies. I'm sure I'll come through last minute with a mega cram session (hopefully!).

Also, I've never gotten my head around biochemistry, so BY2201 and BY2203 expectations are pretty woeful... I can understand, I just can't remember all the really similar names everything has. I think I'll choreograph an interpretive dance for each individual lecture slide and then come exams use my muscle memory to recall it all. There's room in the lecture theatre for that right?

amacachi · 13-04-2011 05:48PM

true-or-false wrote: »

I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact I'll be doing at least 4 supplemental exams, but since I put Plant Sciences as number 1 I'd say it'll be a case of me either failing so badly that I have to drop out, or I'll get my number one. Meant to start studying today but I found a millipede in my bedroom and on further inspection a whole load of spiders too, so the next few days will contain nothing other than a vacuum cleaner and a truck load of cleaning supplies. I'm sure I'll come through last minute with a mega cram session (hopefully!).[/qupote]
I dunno, when I find a single insect I don't look for any more, I'd like to be able to go back into my room within a day. :pac:

Also, I've never gotten my head around biochemistry, so BY2201 and BY2203 expectations are pretty woeful... I can understand, I just can't remember all the really similar names everything has. I think I'll choreograph an interpretive dance for each individual lecture slide and then come exams use my muscle memory to recall it all. There's room in the lecture theatre for that right?

Same here, they're the ones I'm going to really work at though.

Craguls · 13-04-2011 06:45PM

Me being my stupid little OCD-eque self has been studying for the past month.

I have Cell Biology and Metabolism covered and put the finishing touches to Microbiology today, I've heard from older years a lot of people messed those up last year so I've cut out very little; I'm only ignoring Neurochemistry and Genetic Switches in those three, oddly I've grown to love metabolism so I did everything there. I covered about 60% of Infection and Immunity too by reading around the MCQ. I have one of my chemistry modules covered too and started Physiology today.

As regards the form mine went; Immunology, Molecular Medicine, Neuroscience, Genetics, Microbiology, Cell Bio, Structural Biochem and Chemistry.

Re: Evolution I was going to study it like the second biology module last year but try work in behavior material as well if possible just to link things up.

Charlie Sheen · 14-04-2011 12:09AM

amacachi wrote: »

If the lab is worth 20% and you get 100% of that then yes 25% in the exams will get you a pass.

It saddens me to see people struggle with weighted numbers.

I think the problem was people not being sure whether or not you had to pass the exam (get over 40% in the exam) or just get 40% overall.

Good luck everyone anyway.

GlasnevinRed · 14-04-2011 12:19AM

Will be seeing some of you 2nd years next year no doubt having deferred from 3rd year Chemistry at christmas.

Good luck in the exams!

celtic723 · 14-04-2011 11:57AM

You guys going mad on the extra reading or are you going with the lectures we've been given?

Jammyc · 14-04-2011 03:38PM

I've been going with the lectures we've been given. Only some lecturers are looking for extra reading, others just want you to show the info.

Q. - Didn't organic synthesis lecturer from first semester chemistry say he would give a tutorial before exams? I don't see his name down on the list for Tuesday. Just wanted to check before I asked someone about it!

Also, going through Metabolism painfully slow, is there something I'm missing or is learning these cycles and pathways as time consuming for everyone?

Carl Sagan · 14-04-2011 04:12PM

In the JF exams, would studying lecture material be enough? I'm pretty much only gonna get to do that for both biology papers unfortunately.

amacachi · 14-04-2011 04:14PM

Carl Sagan wrote: »

In the JF exams, would studying lecture material be enough? I'm pretty much only gonna get to do that for both biology papers unfortunately.

I did basically nothing and passed (in the repeats) so I would imagine knowing the lectures well would get you through no problem.

Carl Sagan · 14-04-2011 04:28PM

amacachi wrote: »

I did basically nothing and passed (in the repeats) so I would imagine knowing the lectures well would get you through no problem.

:pac: Excellent.

How many did you have to repeat?

amacachi · 14-04-2011 04:35PM

Carl Sagan wrote: »

:pac: Excellent.

How many did you have to repeat?

The two Biologies and one maths. I passed the maths repeat with 61% after about 5 hours of work. Biology I think in total all the times I attempted to start studying might have added up to about half an hour.

Jammyc · 14-04-2011 05:34PM

That being said, if you understand most of whats happening in biology in JF, you wont have to learn it all then in SF, as I'm finding out.

14-04-2011 05:39PM

Jammyc wrote: »

I've been going with the lectures we've been given. Only some lecturers are looking for extra reading, others just want you to show the info.

Q. - Didn't organic synthesis lecturer from first semester chemistry say he would give a tutorial before exams? I don't see his name down on the list for Tuesday. Just wanted to check before I asked someone about it!

Also, going through Metabolism painfully slow, is there something I'm missing or is learning these cycles and pathways as time consuming for everyone?

Maybe since he shared the org chem with Scanlan, they're not bothering to give us tuts from both of them.

As for metabolism, I find it so hard that I've not actually touched it yet. Not going to bother with any extra reading, though I have read Curious Naturalists for behaviour.

Carl Sagan · 14-04-2011 08:01PM

Jammyc wrote: »

That being said, if you understand most of whats happening in biology in JF, you wont have to learn it all then in SF, as I'm finding out.

I'll be studying chemistry over the summer (for fun), so hopefully I'll do some biology too and that won't happen. :P

NeuroCat · 15-04-2011 04:26PM

I have Cell Biology and Metabolism covered and put the finishing touches to Microbiology today, I've heard from older years a lot of people messed those up last year so I've cut out very little

Yeah I heard microbiology was a tough one last year. I'm just in the process of learning off the enzyme equations for cell biology then I'm finished with that. I'm stuggling with metabolism but I'm hoping it will click soon *fingers crossed*. Geology will probs be the area I trip up in, hopefully my grades from the continuous assesments will hold to me lol.

Btw, anyone with a smart phone can download a great app called Glycolysis Quizzilator, it's very good for some short definitions, and has a scrollable map of the glycolysis pathway.

There is a Grays Anatomy application aswell, could be useful for BY2202 but I haven't tested it out yet. Planning to have a look see what other biochemistry apps there are though! Lemme know if anyone has found any good ones

JC06 · 17-04-2011 02:36PM

Anyone know what date the exam results are out this year?

banjopaul · 17-04-2011 10:47PM

For SF Science at least, its June 17th for results, July 15th for moderatorship offers.

amacachi · 17-04-2011 10:53PM

banjopaul wrote: »

For SF Science at least, its June 17th for results, July 15th for moderatorship offers.

May as well fail one then if I'll have to wait that long. :pac:

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