Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

prinz · 08-04-2011 10:37AM

You can tell from the coverage today that this incident is being milked for every last tiny drop of publicity and self-promotion by some vested interests at this stage...

The Ombudsman is no good..

Jerrie Ann Sullivan, one of the women at the centre of the controversy, attended a Shell to Sea press conference today in Dublin where she expressed a lack of confidence in the Garda ombudsman’s ability to investigate the gardaí involved and appropriately sanction them.

..AGS and the State is no good..

“The response of An Garda Síochána and the State to the rape comments has been disgracefully inadequate".

Again more about Shell to Sea than worrying about victims of sexual violence...

Shell to Sea and Ms Sullivan now want an independent international inquiry established to examine policing around the Corrib gas pipeline protests.

International inquiry.:D http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0407/breaking41.html?via=mr

mikemac · 08-04-2011 10:40AM

Shocking conversation alright.

Ladders, scaffolds and safety procedures to get crusties down from a height?
What overkill, just pull them down, it wasn't even high up

I suppose if they fall they'll be quick to sue the State though

yosemite_sam · 08-04-2011 10:44AM

Heard last night that their pensions are calculated on their last 3 p60s which includes the colossal overtime benifits, nice.

R P McMurphy · 08-04-2011 10:47AM

yosemite_sam wrote: »

Heard last night that their pensions are calculated on their last 3 p60s which includes the colossal overtime benifits, nice.

That is incorrect

SeaFields · 08-04-2011 10:47AM

prinz wrote: »

You can tell from the coverage today that this incident is being milked for every last tiny drop of publicity and self-promotion by some vested interests at this stage...

From what I've heard representatives of the shell to sea group have been destroyed in media interviews on the topic where it has clearly been pointed out that this is now more about publicity than the recording.

CatFromHue · 08-04-2011 10:48AM

elviscostello wrote: »

Have you heard about this protest? This gets more ridiculous by the day.

Link

my god!!

the fact that mary lou macdonald got elected makes me lose faith in democracy.

MagicSean · 08-04-2011 10:48AM

yosemite_sam wrote: »

Heard last night that their pensions are calculated on their last 3 p60s which includes the colossal overtime benifits, nice.

Have they started drawing their pensions for some reason?

_feedback_ · 08-04-2011 10:53AM

SeaFields wrote: »

From what I've heard representatives of the shell to sea group have been destroyed in media interviews on the topic where it has clearly been pointed out that this is now more about publicity than the recording.

They held that joke of a press conference yesterday, where the woman related to these Garda comments spoke about how "deeply traumatic" it was.

Anyway, they opened the floor to questions for strictly 15 minutes. More than half of that time was taken up by supporters making comments.

yosemite_sam · 08-04-2011 10:53AM

k_mac wrote: »

Have they started drawing their pensions for some reason?

One of the chaps could have retired 6 months ago but stayed on to get this summer out of it

Orando Broom · 08-04-2011 10:59AM

Can we class what the Guards did as 'sexploits'? I am having an argument with a senior counsel here on the quays at the minute.

sent from my iphone.

lastlaugh · 08-04-2011 11:10AM

That chick from Shell to Sea is actually a nice lookin bit o'stuff!

Sempai · 08-04-2011 11:40AM

Jerrie Ann Sullivan went public yesterday at a press conference with Shell to Sea crowd, stating that she had to come forward as her name was leaked to the media. On the recording her name was mentioned by the Gardai. surely it's was her or her friend who released her name as they posted the video online. purely a political stunt by Shell to Sea.

_feedback_ · 08-04-2011 11:45AM

Sempai wrote: »

Jerrie Ann Sullivan went public yesterday at a press conference with Shell to Sea crowd, stating that she had to come forward as her name was leaked to the media. On the recording her name was mentioned by the Gardai. surely it's was her or her friend who released her name as they posted the video online. purely a political stunt by Shell to Sea.

In fairness you could keep writing all day about the rubbish they are spouting, but yeah, they wouldn't have had any of those worries if they used the information in the correct way.

But sure they were so deeply traumatised, they probably weren't thinking straight!

gosuckonalemon · 08-04-2011 11:48AM

audidiesel wrote: »

Just my own opinion on this one. Knowing it may possibly fan flames I'll keep it to the point as much as I can.

What was said was idiotic and not funny. However it was a private conversation between 2-3 people. There was no threat made to anybody and no one could seriously suggest that there was any intent or possibility of these comments being acted on.

The type of talk used may proove shocking to the general public when taken out of context. What most people dont get though is guards talking like that is more of a defence mechanism more than anything else.

The nature of the job means you see horrific things on a semi regular basis. This can have traumatic effects. The reality is that there is no real physiological assistance to guards after something traumatic. The most common way to deal with it is through black humour.

After traumatic incidents guards can often deal with it by making jokes that would make frankie Boyle cringe. These are not meant for public consumption and are usually between colleagues that have experienced similar incidents eg murders, suicide, rape, serious assaults, bad crashes..

If you've never suffered through multiple instances like this then you more than likely won't agree with the above, which is fair enough.

Finally while as I said the comments were stupid, the hysteria that has been generated from a private conversation is way over the top. This was a private conversation. It was recorded obviously without their knowledge. How many people here can honestly say that they have never in their lives said something stupid. Being honest 99% of people here probably have at various points in their lives. Imagine if whatever you said made front page news.

Finally this only made the news as the men were guards on duty. Newsflash, guards are human. They have failings and virtues just like everyone else. You don't become superman when you put on the uniform.

Anyway I'm sure some will jump all over this post. But I just wanted to give my own perspective on this. By the way I'm not on duty writing this :-p

I too think this is blown way out of proportion. They should be punished by having their salary withheld or stationed in some horrific part of the country...

But this excuse about using humor to deal with trauma doesn't apply here..

Car crashes, murders etc., yes because the Gardai witness the crime scene and have images of what they see in their heads..dead, mutilated bodies etc.

Gardai never witness rape scenes, all they see is a traumatised, possibly physically asaulted victim, nothing that warrants jokes to overcome..

The Waltzing Consumer · 08-04-2011 11:55AM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

I too think this is blown way out of proportion. They should be punished by having their salary withheld or stationed in some horrific part of the country...

But this excuse about using humor to deal with trauma doesn't apply here..

Car crashes, murders etc., yes because the Gardai witness the crime scene and have images of what they see in their heads..dead, mutilated bodies etc.

Gardai never witness rape scenes, all they see is a traumatised, possibly physically asaulted victim, nothing that warrants jokes to overcome..

As has been stated, the rape joke emerged after one woman and insinuated to another woman that she would not be safe in the custody of these guards. The Gardai, obviously, found this bizarre and made the jokes later in reference to the over-the-top public insinuations of one of the women.

gosuckonalemon · 08-04-2011 12:02PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

As has been stated, the rape joke emerged after one woman and insinuated to another woman that she would not be safe in the custody of these guards. The Gardai, obviously, found this bizarre and made the jokes later in reference to the over-the-top public insinuations of one of the women.

Ya, I know...I'm not saying the Gardai were using this as an excuse...I was just highlighting what the previous poster had said about making jokes to help deal with traumas..

The Waltzing Consumer · 08-04-2011 12:09PM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

Ya, I know...I'm not saying the Gardai were using this as an excuse...I was just highlighting what the previous poster had said about making jokes to help deal with traumas..

Well I think he has a point. I am not sure how I would react if a woman insinuated that her and her friend were not safe around me or my colleagues without any reason to do so. It's pretty insulting and shocking to make such a claim. I would probably say something sarcastic back to them mocking their fake and bizarre insinuations. These Gardai were more mature, they did not react publicly which most people would, they made a few black humour jokes in private.

AudreyHepburn · 08-04-2011 12:12PM

This whole thing is getting more and more over the top by the second.

The Gardai have now been banned from dealing with the public until the investigation into their comments is done according to the Irish Independant.

I mean really! That is just completely unnessecary. In no do way do they pose any danger to anyone.

It couldn't be anymore obvious they were taking the mick out of the protesters for believing they were in danger.

seamus · 08-04-2011 12:14PM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

They should be punished by having their salary withheld or stationed in some horrific part of the country...

Thankfully they can't be punished because they haven't done anything wrong. This was a private conversation between individuals. An employer cannot punish an employee for remarks made privately unless a party to that conversation makes a complaint.

In this case the Shell to sea women are not a party to the conversation because it was illegitimately recorded. Thankfully this fact makes it inadmissable as evidence, the Garda Ombudsman knows this, and they'll stick the individuals involved on paperwork for a couple of weeks until the morons find a new flavour of the week and then they can quietly send these Gardai out to do their job again.

The Gardai in question should sue the protestors involved for breach of privacy and harrassment. These women, upon learning that the conversation had been recorded, had a legal obligation to contact either the data protection commissioner or the Gardai to inform them of this breach of privacy and allow them to oversee the deletion of the recording.
By publishing the conversation, they have involved themselves in a gross invasions of the officers' privacy and deserve to be punished.

The officers are entitled to say things in private, and they're definitely entitled to joke in private, whether they're in uniform or not. The day that we start censoring or punishing people over their legal and harmless private conversations is the day we should just resurrect Hitler and let him get on with it.

The only people here who have caused any outrage or injury are these shell to sea protestors and they should be outed as the malicious, tax wasting spongers that they are and destroyed in the media.

The Gardai have nothing to apologise for. They didn't say anything offensive to anyone.

_feedback_ · 08-04-2011 12:16PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

This whole thing is getting more and more over the top by the second.

The Gardai have now been banned from dealing with the public until the investigation into their comments is done according to the Irish Independant.

I mean really! That is just completely unnessecary. In no do way do they pose any danger to anyone.

It couldn't be anymore obvious they were taking the mick out of the protesters for believing they were in danger.

Well they had to do that really. It has got to a ridiculous point, and they had to be seen to do something.

Will be interesting to see what messages are displayed on the placards at this protest. Will they try and sneak in a few messages about their main agenda, or would that be too obvious? :cool:

audidiesel · 08-04-2011 12:21PM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

I too think this is blown way out of proportion. They should be punished by having their salary withheld or stationed in some horrific part of the country...

But this excuse about using humor to deal with trauma doesn't apply here..

Car crashes, murders etc., yes because the Gardai witness the crime scene and have images of what they see in their heads..dead, mutilated bodies etc.

Gardai never witness rape scenes, all they see is a traumatised, possibly physically asaulted victim, nothing that warrants jokes to overcome..

True but you have to listen to the harrowing and unfortunate stories of the victims in incredible detail, going through them several times over. Seeing the effect can be worse than possibly witnessing the act to a non participant.

My name is URL · 08-04-2011 12:40PM

seamus wrote: »

The Gardai in question should sue the protestors involved for breach of privacy and harrassment. These women, upon learning that the conversation had been recorded, had a legal obligation to contact either the data protection commissioner or the Gardai to inform them of this breach of privacy and allow them to oversee the deletion of the recording.
By publishing the conversation, they have involved themselves in a gross invasions of the officers' privacy and deserve to be punished

Did they really have a legal obligation to do that?! How exactly was privacy breached when the Gardai knowingly handed the camcorder over to them?

Saying that they should be punished is just as ridiculous as saying that the Gardai should be fired. Both parties were equally irresponsible in how they went about things and the only thing keeping this argument going is public disagreement between the left & right.

Killer Pigeon · 08-04-2011 12:45PM

Seriously, these "activists" will do anything for a protest ... anything. It's quite sickening really.

If like many people in Ireland you were shocked by the recordings of Gardaí in Mayo making disparaging and threatening comments about two women protesters - including the threat of rape and deportation - come join a silent protest this Friday 8 April at 1pm at Dáil Eireann.

The gathering will:

- Stand in solidarity with the women concerned

- Support the right of women everywhere to protest without fear of rape or violence

- Demand an end to the trivialisation of rape

- Support the right of migrants to protest without the threat of intimidation or deportation

- Voice our solidarity with victims of sexual violence

- Call for a promptly delivered, robust and transparent enquiry into the behaviour of the Gardaí concerned

http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=202461769776663

Orando Broom · 08-04-2011 12:53PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Seriously, these "activists" will do anything for a protest ... anything.

The Loons wrote:

Demand an end to the trivialisation of rape

http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=202461769776663

Serious rapists only.

Odysseus · 08-04-2011 01:01PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Seriously, these "activists" will do anything for a protest ... anything.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=202461769776663

The worst part of that piece you copied is the second last bullet point of showing "solidarity with victims of sexual violence". I actually find that insulting to people who have experienced such a trauma. As this campaign is so self-serving there is little solidarity being shown by S2S from what I can see.

As it is so clearly jumping on the band wagon of moral outrage that rape brings out in people, I find it very offensive to those who have experienced sexual violence.

I know next to nothing about S2S activities so as a group I have no axe to grind with them, but attempting to use the traumatic experience of sexual violence to advance their own agenda is despicable.

_feedback_ · 08-04-2011 01:10PM

Odysseus wrote: »

The worst part of that piece you copied is the second last bullet point of showing "solidarity with victims of sexual violence". I actually find that insulting to people who have experienced such a trauma. As this campaign is so self-serving there is little solidarity being shown by S2S from what I can see.

As it is so clearly jumping on the band wagon of moral outrage that rape brings out in people, I find it very offensive to those who have experienced sexual violence.

I know next to nothing about S2S activities so as a group I have no axe to grind with them, but attempting to use the traumatic experience of sexual violence to advance their own agenda is despicable.

It's horrible. They (and a lot of others) say how damaging this will be on how potential rape victims will percieve Garda attitude towards them, when it was themselves that put it in the full blaze of the media to blow up in every potential victims face.

This is the very thing that might dissuade them to go to the guards in future. They are continuing to seek more and more attention, and they say they are doing it for potential victims?

Logical Fallacy · 08-04-2011 01:12PM

seamus wrote: »

The Gardai in question should sue the protestors involved for breach of privacy and harrassment. These women, upon learning that the conversation had been recorded, had a legal obligation to contact either the data protection commissioner or the Gardai to inform them of this breach of privacy and allow them to oversee the deletion of the recording.
By publishing the conversation, they have involved themselves in a gross invasions of the officers' privacy and deserve to be punished.

I'm trying to find something that deals with this, the inadvertent self recording of a conversation but i can't. If you have anything that implies there was a legal obligation to delete a record people unknowingly made of themselves i'd love to give it a read?

mufcboy1999 · 08-04-2011 01:20PM

if that was any normal person we would face the judge in no time.

90 per cent of gards act like this, they are overweight pig boys who ride around in the squadron all day because it means they dont have to do anything strenious.

nobody is scared of the irish police they are a laughing stock.

mall cops is all they are:D

Waestrel · 08-04-2011 01:22PM

Will S2S be diversifying into phone tapping to make sure we dont have unwholesome thoughts in our own homes?

prinz · 08-04-2011 01:25PM

Orando Broom wrote: »

Serious rapists only.

Reminds me of a joke I heard once.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

if that was any normal person we would face the judge in no time.

On what charge? They haven't broken any laws.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

90 per cent of gards act like this, they are overweight pig boys who ride around in the squadron all day because it means they dont have to do anything strenious..

In a squadron eh, like Biggles.

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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