Get ready for the next big heart-tug

jackiebaron · 07-04-2011 01:27AM #1

The propaganda machine is whirring as we speak.

The heart-tug for Iraq was "helping these people" even though over a million of them have been whacked.

The heart-tug for Afghanistan was "girls can't go to school. Women have to wear a burkha".

The heart-tug for Libya was/is that a brutal dictator is offing his own people (even though intervention has capped just as many).

NOW

The heart-tug for the Ivory Coast is child slavery.....just effing saw it on the telly. "We must move into Cote d'Ivoire to save the kids who are picking cocoa beans, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

jill_valentine · 07-04-2011 01:28AM

There's no comparison between Libya and the other two.

Saila · 07-04-2011 01:31AM

wont someone PLEASE think of the children.

and there is no oil there

Quiet you · 07-04-2011 02:30AM

So everything any western power does is evil and driven by oil in your mind then?

Iraq was an illegal war fought for what most people can only assume was oil. I don't think anyone will argue that point with you.

Afghanistan was legal and sanctioned due to the Taliban harbouring and providing resources to Al-Quieda elements although I have a weird feeling you simply won't accept that.

Libya seems to be one of those win, win situations for us. We get to keep recieving oil and help a popular uprising that are looking for nothing more then the right to have a say in how their country is run. As for the numbers of civilians killed, nobody knows exactly because Lybian state television keeps faking casualties. The evil western media considers the vast majority of the evidence shown to them of civilian deaths a joke.

There is nothing of worth in the Ivory Coast yet the French and U.N. forces are supporting Ouattara's forces becuase Gbagbo has refused to cede power after losing a democratic election.

Leaving Iraq out of it there's nothing evil being carried out by the west. Some self-serving intervention yes but ultimately it's the right thing to do. It's just a shame they don't keep up the good work and go after other, just as deserving, dictators.

Edit -- I had a quick look through other posts you've made. Well done. You trolled me good.

Saila · 07-04-2011 02:36AM

Quiet you wrote: »

So everything any western power does is evil and driven by oil in your mind then?

no just resources, there are no permanent friends and enemies in world affairs just temporary interests

Quiet you · 07-04-2011 02:45AM

Saila wrote: »

no just resources, there are no permanent friends and enemies in world affairs just temporary interests

No argument here but to just randomly come out and belittle what's happening in other countries just to make some anti-military, anti-west point is kind of shi**y as far as I'm concerned.

If he had made a logical and realistic point like yours I wouldn't have felt the urge to make a comment.

Chaotic_Forces · 07-04-2011 02:49AM

Do you ever stop bitching about militaries?

Quiet you · 07-04-2011 02:55AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Do you ever stop bitching about militaries?

Hah, I had the same thought. I knew I recognised the insane, conspiratorial ramblings and had a look.

He kept hurling unsubstantiated "facts" at me and others before (possibly you) while he tried to back up his argument as to why everything America does is a war crime.

Chaotic_Forces · 07-04-2011 02:58AM

Quiet you wrote: »

Hah, I had the same thought. I knew I recognised the insane, conspiratorial ramblings and had a look.

He kept hurling unsubstantiated "facts" at me and others before (possibly you) while he tried to back up his argument as to why everything America does is a war crime.

I know him/her, they tend to post something against America/armies, get proven wrong with well thought out, constructive, logical arguments and then vanish and join in when there's a slight mistake they can capitalize on.

Quiet you · 07-04-2011 03:02AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I know him/her, they tend to post something against America/armies, get proven wrong with well thought out, constructive, logical arguments and then vanish and join in when there's a slight mistake they can capitalize on.

Don't forget the old, dragging up quotes from pages ago only to misrepresent what you actually said and make you look like a baby killer trick.

jackiebaron · 07-04-2011 03:06AM

Quiet you wrote: »

No argument here but to just randomly come out and belittle what's happening in other countries just to make some anti-military, anti-west point is kind of shi**y as far as I'm concerned.

If he had made a logical and realistic point like yours I wouldn't have felt the urge to make a comment.

Oh, there's a point alright Qy. Now if you think I'm shït-stirring then so be it.
On TV tonight I saw a pathetic report about child slavery in no place other than the Ivory Coast. Now, tell me this, why didn't this report come out a year ago and why aren't these reports coming out DAILY regarding child soldiers in Burma, or blubbery American and German men crawling all over Thai and Bangladeshi 13 year-olds or baby soldiers in Guinea Bissau or Fillipina fisher girls being thrown overboard if they lose their strength.

All of a sudden, child slavery in Cote d'Ivoire is a mandate and a priority. What about the girls next door in Liberia and north in Mauratania who have their womanhood slashed when they reach 12 or 13?

No tanks or bombers or troops to halt that.
Child slavery, protection?......don't make me laugh!

jill_valentine · 07-04-2011 03:09AM

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Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I know him/her, they tend to post something against America/armies, get proven wrong with well thought out, constructive, logical arguments and then vanish and join in when there's a slight mistake they can capitalize on.

Adyx · 07-04-2011 03:09AM

jackiebaron wrote: »

Oh, there's a point alright Qy. Now if you think I'm shït-stirring then so be it.
On TV tonight I saw a pathetic report about child slavery in no place other than the Ivory Coast. Now, tell me this, why didn't this report come out a year ago and why aren't these reports coming out DAILY regarding child soldiers in Burma, or blubbery American and German men crawling all over Thai and Bangladeshi 13 year-olds or baby soldiers in Guinea Bissau or Fillipina fisher girls being thrown overboard if they lose their strength.

All of a sudden, child slavery in Cote d'Ivoire is a mandate and a priority. What about the girls next door in Liberia and north in Mauratania who have their womanhood slashed when they reach 12 or 13?

No tanks or bombers or troops to halt that.
Child slavery, protection?......don't make me laugh!

So tell us then, what is the real reason?

jackiebaron · 07-04-2011 03:14AM

I just heard a "dildo" squeaking about how Ghadaffi should be brought before to ICC.

...that's the International Criminal Court.

The "dildo" was American.

America doesn't recognise the ICC.

< fücking speechless ...through pure flabbergastedness >

WoollyRedHat · 07-04-2011 03:22AM

Quiet you wrote: »

So everything any western power does is evil and driven by oil in your mind then?

Iraq was an illegal war fought for what most people can only assume was oil. I don't think anyone will argue that point with you.

Afghanistan was legal and sanctioned due to the Taliban harbouring and providing resources to Al-Quieda elements although I have a weird feeling you simply won't accept that.

Libya seems to be one of those win, win situations for us. We get to keep recieving oil and help a popular uprising that are looking for nothing more then the right to have a say in how their country is run. As for the numbers of civilians killed, nobody knows exactly because Lybian state television keeps faking casualties. The evil western media considers the vast majority of the evidence shown to them of civilian deaths a joke.

There is nothing of worth in the Ivory Coast yet the French and U.N. forces are supporting Ouattara's forces becuase Gbagbo has refused to cede power after losing a democratic election.

Leaving Iraq out of it there's nothing evil being carried out by the west. Some self-serving intervention yes but ultimately it's the right thing to do. It's just a shame they don't keep up the good work and go after other, just as deserving, dictators.

Edit -- I had a quick look through other posts you've made. Well done. You trolled me good.

Afghanistan has been an out an out mess, as has been Iraq. Beyond the invasion of countries that have been carried out without careful planning, the use of force in such countries in the past has been questionable, to use the term lightly, with some of the reports in Iraq for example really questioning the countries of such invasions right or authority to intervene. Reported use of phoshorus for example is abhorrent and has no place in this world and is sickeing to it's core. These weapons harm and destruct the very lives they so purport to protect. And it's cynical to use economical factors as any justification for invasion, it shouldn't come into it ever, either primary or secondary reasons for an intervention.

jackiebaron · 07-04-2011 03:37AM

This woman who was allegedly gang raped.

Why is so much attention being hovered on this story....even if it is true?

When.....I mean, during the attacks upon Iraq and Afghanistan have there been reports of Iraqi or Afghan men gang raping a woman?

If a woman is raped.....and I mean REALLY raped, the last thing she wants to do is to become a public figure. She wants comfort, protection and safety. She wants to retreat back into the bosom of her mother and family.
THAT'S why that young girl, Jessica Lynch, avoided the limelight. They tried to spin up a bullshït story of her "firing her weapon, till it clicked empty". She came out and said that it was a hoax and that she fell unconscious and woke up in an Iraqi hospital after a fücking crash.

The whole thing was staged, she didn't like it and now nobody even remembers her.....even though they all had fridge stickers of her not long ago.

If this woman has been raped, then it's a disgrace. But rape is a criminal offence, not an act that warrants military intervention. A rape occurs in the United States every 13 minutes. Where are the tanks and bombers there?

Don't try to tug on our heart strings with shït that you ignore elsewhere. A woman is raped? We must help!!! Women in Saudi Arabia aren't even allowed to leave the house or drive a car to buy eggs....but that's fine, right?

F.O.

Chaotic_Forces · 07-04-2011 03:41AM

jackiebaron wrote: »

This woman who was allegedly gang raped.

Why is so much attention being hovered on this story....even if it is true?

When.....I mean, during the attacks upon Iraq and Afghanistan have there been reports of Iraqi or Afghan men gang raping a woman?

If a woman is raped.....and I mean REALLY raped, the last thing she wants to do is to become a public figure. She wants comfort, protection and safety. She wants to retreat back into the bosom of her mother and family.
THAT'S why that young girl, Jessica Lynch, avoided the limelight. They tried to spin up a bullshït story of her "firing her weapon, till it clicked empty". She came out and said that it was a hoax and that she fell unconscious and woke up in an Iraqi hospital after a fücking crash.

The whole thing was staged, she didn't like it and now nobody even remembers her.....even though they all had fridge stickers of her not long ago.

If this woman has been raped, then it's a disgrace. But rape is a criminal offence, not an act that warrants military intervention. A rape occurs in the United States every 13 minutes. Where are the tanks and bombers there?

Don't try to tug on our heart strings with shït that you ignore elsewhere. A woman is raped? We must help!!! Women in Saudi Arabia aren't even allowed to leave the house or drive a car to buy eggs....but that's fine, right?

F.O.

So why don't you physically go to these places and change them for the better?

jackiebaron · 07-04-2011 03:52AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So why don't you physically go to these places and change them for the better?

That was good.

Chaotic_Forces · 07-04-2011 03:53AM

jackiebaron wrote: »

That was good.

If it was a good suggestion, why not do it? Or do you just sit on your backside and bitch about things instead of being a decent person and trying to change the world for the better? :rolleyes:

Canis Lupus · 07-04-2011 08:38AM

jackiebaron wrote: »

If a woman is raped.....and I mean REALLY raped

Ah, I've been giggling at that line for a minute now.

MagicSean · 07-04-2011 09:12AM

I see what you're saying but I don't think NATO has the resources to invade all these places Jackie, no matter how much you'd like them to.

humanji · 07-04-2011 09:27AM

jackiebaron wrote: »

I just heard a "dildo" squeaking about how Ghadaffi should be brought before to ICC.

...that's the International Criminal Court.

The "dildo" was American.

America doesn't recognise the ICC.

< fücking speechless ...through pure flabbergastedness >

Did the American represent the US government? And why is aid being offered to the Ivory Coast?

The reason there was a program about child slave labour is because the country is in the news. Most people only know of the Ivory Coast because the fact that their flag is similar to ours is a regular pub quiz question. Other than that, people generally know f*ck all about countries in Africa. When there is a war that's featured in the news, then it's hardly surprising that tv channels show programs about it. It's not the tv channels' fault, they're simply catering for the wants of their audience. So using this as an Anti-US rant is a bit bizarre.

Dave! · 07-04-2011 10:05AM

Oh jackie... same old conspiracy crap coming out of you...

Don't ever change

Chairman Meow · 07-04-2011 11:43AM

jackiebaron wrote: »

The propaganda machine is whirring as we speak.

The heart-tug for Iraq was "helping these people" even though over a million of them have been whacked.

The heart-tug for Afghanistan was "girls can't go to school. Women have to wear a burkha".

The heart-tug for Libya was/is that a brutal dictator is offing his own people (even though intervention has capped just as many).

NOW

The heart-tug for the Ivory Coast is child slavery.....just effing saw it on the telly. "We must move into Cote d'Ivoire to save the kids who are picking cocoa beans, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

What the **** is wrong with you?

MagicSean · 07-04-2011 11:47AM

Chairman Meow wrote: »

What the **** is wrong with you?

I think he may have had his army application rejected at some stage.

orourkeda · 07-04-2011 11:55AM

Quiet you wrote: »

So everything any western power does is evil and driven by oil in your mind then?

Iraq was an illegal war fought for what most people can only assume was oil. I don't think anyone will argue that point with you.

Afghanistan was legal and sanctioned due to the Taliban harbouring and providing resources to Al-Quieda elements although I have a weird feeling you simply won't accept that.

Libya seems to be one of those win, win situations for us. We get to keep recieving oil and help a popular uprising that are looking for nothing more then the right to have a say in how their country is run. As for the numbers of civilians killed, nobody knows exactly because Lybian state television keeps faking casualties. The evil western media considers the vast majority of the evidence shown to them of civilian deaths a joke.

There is nothing of worth in the Ivory Coast yet the French and U.N. forces are supporting Ouattara's forces becuase Gbagbo has refused to cede power after losing a democratic election.

Leaving Iraq out of it there's nothing evil being carried out by the west. Some self-serving intervention yes but ultimately it's the right thing to do. It's just a shame they don't keep up the good work and go after other, just as deserving, dictators.

Edit -- I had a quick look through other posts you've made. Well done. You trolled me good.

Is Afghanistan the only nation on earth that helps to resource Al-Qaeda

Dudess · 07-04-2011 02:29PM

Cynicism for the sake of it ftw - makes ya look kinda edgy.

Chaotic_Forces · 07-04-2011 05:06PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Ah, I've been giggling at that line for a minute now.

That could work if you're ever charged: Your Honour, I admit I raped her but come on, it wasn't as if she got really raped.

Quiet you · 07-04-2011 05:35PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Is Afghanistan the only nation on earth that helps to resource Al-Qaeda

Nope but they were the only country to openly harbour them and have a high ranking member as minister for defence.

Quiet you · 07-04-2011 05:43PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Afghanistan has been an out an out mess, as has been Iraq. Beyond the invasion of countries that have been carried out without careful planning, the use of force in such countries in the past has been questionable, to use the term lightly, with some of the reports in Iraq for example really questioning the countries of such invasions right or authority to intervene. Reported use of phoshorus for example is abhorrent and has no place in this world and is sickeing to it's core. These weapons harm and destruct the very lives they so purport to protect. And it's cynical to use economical factors as any justification for invasion, it shouldn't come into it ever, either primary or secondary reasons for an intervention.

Yip, both could have been managed in a far better way but that doesn't take away from the fact that the invasion of Afghanistan was sanctioned.

As for weapons used and motives for invasion, I agree. They've done some pretty terrible things for some pretty greedy reasons but when talking about the likes of Libya and the Ivory Coast I don't really think you can fault their actions.

Whatever our crazy pal Jackie wants to think you can't deny that protecting innocents from massacre and letting those that want a say have their say is a bad thing.

RichieC · 07-04-2011 05:44PM

Funny, since the teabaggers in America right now are targeting Child labour laws for repeal!

Get ready for the next big heart-tug

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