Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

prinz · 06-04-2011 07:40PM

ChewChew wrote: »

I wouldn't agree that that is enough tbh. If we think about what Andy Gray and Richard keys said, and the outcome, this is a bit poor imo.

Completely different. Gray held his trousers open and invited a woman to put her hand down his crotch. Gray and Keys were suspended from commentating for one match for their 'on air' comments and afterwards Keys resigned of his own accord.

Gray was involved in another incident held his trousers open and invited a female presenter to put her hand down his crotch. His contract was terminated after that came to the attention of his bosses.

So no, there is no comparison. Keys resigned and Gray actually was involved in an incident off air with Charlotte Jackson as she was attaching a mic pack. Unless you want the gardaí suspended for a week? Would that suit?

Lady Chatterton · 06-04-2011 07:42PM

prinz wrote: »

Completely different. Gray held his trousers open and invited a woman to put her hand down his crotch. Gray and Keys were suspended from commentating for one match for their 'on air' comments and afterwards Keys resigned of his own accord.

Gray was involved in another incident held his trousers open and invited a female presenter to put her hand down his crotch. His contract was terminated after that came to the attention of his bosses.

So why was Keyes sacked so? Keyes jumped before he was pushed.

jill_valentine · 06-04-2011 07:45PM

Commendably well judged statement from the GRA there, must be said.

ChewChew · 06-04-2011 07:49PM

prinz wrote: »

Completely different.

ya, that's right :rolleyes:

prinz wrote: »

Unless you want the gardaí suspended for a week? Would that suit?

If you were a rape victim, what would you want? IMO, I dont think retraining is enough for adults who work in the public.,

hectorh · 06-04-2011 07:51PM

This is beyond ridiculous- absolute nonsense. The protesters were clearly in the wrong. From what I've heard and after watching the video in full, one of the girls is shouting that she won't leave her friend because "of that man" while a female guard is present- basically accusing him of abuse. The woman involved refused to cooperate and wouldn't give her name to the garda so she decides to turn on her camera to record herself provoking a guard (to get publicity like this). By luck, the guards confiscate the camera. While returning to the station they have a joke in private (black humour to most) in relation to her melodramatic allegation and it's recorded. If it was a video of them hopping around in clown suits talking about rape it still couldn't be any more obvious they were joking. Woman is "horrified".

What is achieved?

Publicity for the Shell to Sea campaign.
Police resources, time and money wasted.
Media sensationalize and make a fortune.
Career ruined for 3 guards.

prinz · 06-04-2011 07:52PM

ChewChew wrote: »

ya, that's right :rolleyes:

Yeah that is right. Keys resigned and Gray was sacked after actually getting involved in a sexual harassment incident with a colleague. That too hard to understand?

ChewChew wrote: »

If you were a rape victim, what would you want? IMO, I dont think retraining is enough for adults who work in the public.,

Well the people involved don't want them sacked either. Also it's not really relevant what rape victims want in this instance to be quite perfectly honest.

Lady Chatterton · 06-04-2011 07:59PM

I beginning to think it would be a relief to everyone if this thread was closed

This thread is a bit like a can of Pringles, once as you start, you just can't stop.

prinz · 06-04-2011 08:02PM

MrsD007 wrote: »

I beginning to think it would be a relief to everyone if this thread was closed This thread is a bit like a can of Pringles, once as you start, you just can't stop.

Probably should be seeing as how the investigation is going on at the moment.

jill_valentine · 06-04-2011 08:02PM

randylonghorn wrote: »

Quick question, folks ... if your sister / gf / mother was the victim of rape or sexual assault tomorrow, do you think reading the transcript of this conversation in the papers to-day would make her feel

(a) more, or
(b) less

comfortable to approach her local Garda station to report the offence?

If you're not sure of the answer, maybe actually ask them.

Post of the thread, IMHO.

prinz · 06-04-2011 08:06PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Post of the thread, IMHO.

Not really. Firstly rape doesn't just apply to women as implied. Secondly I think we can all make our own minds up. Thirdly the poster uses the conditional assuming that anyone who doesn't agree 100% with him doesn't already have a "sister/gf/mother" who has already been the victim of a rape or sexual assault. Lastly one doesn't have to be a victim of something to have an opinion on it.

Lady Chatterton · 06-04-2011 08:10PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Post of the thread, IMHO.

I agree, I posted the same opinion last night. (930)

mikom · 06-04-2011 08:10PM

prinz wrote: »

Secondly I think we can all make our own minds up.

You think you can put yourself in the mind of someone who has just been raped?
You're a better man than me if you can

prinz · 06-04-2011 08:12PM

mikom wrote: »

You think you can put yourself in the mind of someone who has just been raped? You're a better man than me if you can

Get a grip man. I said we can all have an opinion. Just like you can have an opinion on parenting when you don't have kids. Just like a cyclist can have an opinion on driving standards. Just like I can have an opinion on murder without having been murdered. The post in question seemed to think women can put themselves in the mind of someone who has just been raped btw.. more sexism is it?

jay93 · 06-04-2011 08:12PM

hectorh wrote: »

This is beyond ridiculous- absolute nonsense. The protesters were clearly in the wrong. From what I've heard and after watching the video in full, one of the girls is shouting that she won't leave her friend because "of that man" while a female guard is present- basically accusing him of abuse. The woman involved refused to cooperate and wouldn't give her name to the garda so she decides to turn on her camera to record herself provoking a guard (to get publicity like this). By luck, the guards confiscate the camera. While returning to the station they have a joke in private (black humour to most) in relation to her melodramatic allegation and it's recorded. If it was a video of them hopping around in clown suits talking about rape it still couldn't be any more obvious they were joking. Woman is "horrified".

What is achieved?

Publicity for the Shell to Sea campaign.

Police resources, time and money wasted.

Media sensationalize and make a fortune.

Career ruined for 3 guards.

SO what if they loose their career they should not have been joking about rape at all its a very serious matter and coming from a group of cops who are supposed to actually catch rapists .

I don't care if they were ''joking'' or not rape is not a thing to joke about end of !

Lady Chatterton · 06-04-2011 08:13PM

prinz wrote: »

Not really. Firstly rape doesn't just apply to women as implied. Secondly I think we can all make our own minds up. Thirdly the poster uses the conditional assuming that anyone who doesn't agree 100% with him doesn't already have a "sister/gf/mother" who has already been the victim of a rape or sexual assault. Lastly one doesn't have to be a victim of something to have an opinion on it.

One question Prinz. Are you a Lawyer? If you are I'd consider hiring you.

:D

mikom · 06-04-2011 08:14PM

prinz wrote: »

Get a grip man. I said we can all have an opinion.

Yeah.... that's all it is...

Run_to_da_hills · 06-04-2011 08:17PM

Watching 6 / 1 Looks like these guys might get fined and posted elsewhere, I would say they would be glad to get away from Mayo.

Paparazzo · 06-04-2011 08:17PM

randylonghorn wrote: »

Quick question, folks ... if your sister / gf / mother was the victim of rape or sexual assault tomorrow, do you think reading the transcript of this conversation in the papers to-day would make her feel

(a) more, or
(b) less

comfortable to approach her local Garda station to report the offence?

If you're not sure of the answer, maybe actually ask them.

Maybe it was a bad idea sending a video of a private conversation to national newspapers and RTE.

prinz · 06-04-2011 08:19PM

MrsD007 wrote: »

One question Prinz. Are you a Lawyer? If you are I'd consider hiring you. :D

Not at the moment. I have studied it though. Might go back to it again. I think that's a compliment, if it is cheers, although you can't be sure with the reputation lawyers often have.

mikom wrote: »

Yeah.... that's all it is...

Yeah... that's all yours is too. Wonderful isn't it?

mikom · 06-04-2011 08:26PM

prinz wrote: »

Yeah... that's all your is too. Wonderful isn't it?

All my what?

lastlaugh · 06-04-2011 08:27PM

jay93 wrote: »

SO what if they loose their career they should not have been joking about rape at all its a very serious matter and coming from a group of cops who are supposed to actually catch rapists .

I don't care if they were ''joking'' or not rape is not a thing to joke about end of !

It's a very serious thing to happen to someone to "lose their career".

I really don't think people see that in the grand scheme of things, this is a non-event. A breach of etiquette that warrants a verbal warning, if even that.

It does create a predicament for the GRA though.

squod · 06-04-2011 08:28PM

hectorh wrote: »

This is beyond ridiculous- absolute nonsense. The protesters were clearly in the wrong. From what I've heard and after watching the video in full, one of the girls is shouting that she won't leave her friend because "of that man" while a female guard is present- basically accusing him of abuse. The woman involved refused to cooperate and wouldn't give her name to the garda so she decides to turn on her camera to record herself provoking a guard (to get publicity like this). By luck, the guards confiscate the camera. While returning to the station they have a joke in private (black humour to most) in relation to her melodramatic allegation and it's recorded. If it was a video of them hopping around in clown suits talking about rape it still couldn't be any more obvious they were joking. Woman is "horrified".

What is achieved?

Publicity for the Shell to Sea campaign.

Police resources, time and money wasted.

Media sensationalize and make a fortune.

Career ruined for 3 guards.

Mad how people can get the wrong end of the stick. The woman was involved in a legitimate protest. She was then intimidated by a couple of gards (who shouldn't have been there in the first place).

The woman was arrested for not giving her name, not protesting. Was subsequently released later on. Why the **** were four guards involved in some contrived and stupid bluddy charge in the first place?

The whole episode smacks of bullying. The fucking waste of money this has cost is probably huge. Maybe these three might think better of getting involved in one of Fianna Fails arguments in the future.

prinz · 06-04-2011 08:29PM

mikom wrote: »

All my what?

Anything you have to say...opinion. Get it? This site exists because of people giving opinions? You don't see the redundancy of pointing out that someone's post is "just opinion".

Lady Chatterton · 06-04-2011 08:29PM

prinz wrote: »

Not at the moment. I have studied it though. Might go back to it again. I think that's a compliment, if it is cheers, although you can't be sure with the reputation lawyers often have.

I reckon you could make a decent lawyer if you went back but I'm not sure I could be married to you, all the arguments....I reckon there would be no end to them

Diggy78 · 06-04-2011 08:30PM

jay93 wrote: »

SO what if they loose their career they should not have been joking about rape at all its a very serious matter and coming from a group of cops who are supposed to actually catch rapists .

I don't care if they were ''joking'' or not rape is not a thing to joke about end of !

End of? Really? They could well be mates as well as colleagues you know. I'd say we've all said ridiculous things for a joke amongst mates and very little woiuld be off the agenda for a slagging, that is for those who dont go around with a poker up their backside.

Does anyone actually believe that these guards would be lenient on a rapist or that they would try less hard to catch a rapist? Give me a break. These guys should get a telling off for not checking the camera and that's it.

jay93 · 06-04-2011 08:31PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

It's a very serious thing to happen to someone to "lose their career".

I really don't think people see that in the grand scheme of things, this is a non-event. A breach of etiquette that warrants a verbal warning, if even that.

It does create a predicament for the GRA though.

I know its a very serious matter to loose a job .
But if they resort to joking about rape when they are part of the police force then why do they deserve the job?

Of course they will get away with it tough and they won't loose their job.:pac:

mikom · 06-04-2011 08:31PM

prinz wrote: »

Anything you have to say...opinion. Get it? This site exists because of people giving opinions? You don't see the redundancy of pointing out that someone's post is "just opinion".

That wasn't clear from your last post.
It seemed a bit garbled, as if written in haste or rage.

prinz wrote: »

Yeah... that's all your is too. Wonderful isn't it?

jay93 · 06-04-2011 08:33PM

Diggy78 wrote: »

End of? Really? They could well be mates as well as colleagues you know. I'd say we've all said ridiculous things for a joke amongst mates and very little woiuld be off the agenda for a slagging, that is for those who dont go around with a poker up their backside.

Does anyone actually believe that these guards would be lenient on a rapist or that they would try less hard to catch a rapist? Give me a break. These guys should get a telling off for not checking the camera and that's it.

So you think its fine for them to joke about this?
When so many people get raped every day these are supposed to be catching the rapists not making jokes about it!!!

RAH1 · 06-04-2011 08:34PM

im to lazy read all the post but i want to make a point.its any wonder the gaurds come out with that ****e because they would let any donkey be a gaurd now adays.i tell ya if you saw the lads i went to school with that ended up as gaurds you would have zero faith in them.thats a fact.they wouldnt spell rape not to mind say it.and thats a tip on the ice burg.you get out what you put in .ie theres proably more ****s thats going on that will explode down the line like the catholic church etc.i hope not but hard think other wise when ya see the quality of people going in

prinz · 06-04-2011 08:36PM

MrsD007 wrote: »

I reckon you could make a decent lawyer if you went back...

Not for me tbh. Saw too many examples of barristers selling their souls as far as I'm conerned.

MrsD007 wrote: »

but I'm not sure I could be married to you, all the arguments....I reckon there would be no end to them

Fair enough.:D

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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