Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

smeedyova · 06-04-2011 04:59PM

What makes you think that they are joking?

smeedyova · 06-04-2011 05:00PM

prinz wrote: »

Again, nothing there suggests they are actually planning a rape. If I say I'd murder a kebab, does that mean I am actually planning a murder? If I tell a mate to 'hand me over that pint or I'll box the head off ya!' while laughing, does that mean I am planning on assault and battery?

I think it means, at best, that you have very limited communication skills.

prinz · 06-04-2011 05:02PM

smeedyova wrote: »

What makes you think that they are joking?

LOL. Had us going for a while there alright. Good job trollin'.

prinz · 06-04-2011 05:03PM

smeedyova wrote: »

I think it means, at best, that you have very limited communication skills.

Says the person who cannot tell when somebody is joking or not.

smeedyova · 06-04-2011 05:06PM

prinz wrote: »

LOL. Had us going for a while there alright. Good job trollin'.

You seem pretty confused yourself as to how to interpret events. I'm not trolling, by the way. Perhaps your interpretation of the guards' conversation is equally wrong?

mrtulachmhor · 06-04-2011 05:08PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

You did hear them laughing as they said those things didn't you? Or have you only read the transcripts?

They were joking around, nothing more. Tasteless stupid jokes I admit.

Do you honestly think that paid Gardi in uniform openly having a chat to each other about raping a girl they have just arrested is joking around? its wrong, very wrong. hope there respective partners are so proud of them today!!!!!! Would you be proud of them "joking around":rolleyes:

prinz · 06-04-2011 05:09PM

smeedyova wrote: »

You seem pretty confused yourself as to how to interpret events. I'm not trolling, by the way. Perhaps your interpretation of the guards' conversation is equally wrong?

You realise you are the only person on this thread who is seriously trying to argue that they were seriously planning a rape.....the only one... either everyone else has communication troubles, or it's you. :pac: Bizarre.

Btw if you serious think they are planning a rape why was it never carried out?

Killer Pigeon · 06-04-2011 05:13PM

2 stroke wrote: »

Typical immature teenage conversation maybe. These Gardai were just after taking these ladies into custody and should have been more respectful.
(yes, I do know the ladies were in a different car)

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Maybe you're just not attuned to Lad culture.

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 05:14PM

mrtulachmhor wrote: »

Do you honestly think that paid Gardi in uniform openly having a chat to each other about raping a girl they have just arrested is joking around? its wrong, very wrong. hope there respective partners are so proud of them today!!!!!! Would you be proud of them "joking around":rolleyes:

It was a stupid and inappropriate thing to say yes but they were not actually planning to rape anyone.

Why is that so hard to understand and accept?

If one of them was my man I think he was an idiot but I wouldn't hate him or leave him or anything.

danbohan · 06-04-2011 05:20PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

It was a stupid and inappropriate thing to say yes but they were not actually planning to rape anyone.

Why is that so hard to understand and accept?

If one of them was my man I think he was an idiot but I wouldn't hate him or leave him or anything.

how do you know that for sure , for somebody to talk about raping the prisoner means he had thoughts / fantasied about it . it is not something you hear in normal conversations , well hopefully not anyway.

smeedyova · 06-04-2011 05:23PM

danbohan wrote: »

how do you know that for sure , for somebody to talk about raping the prisoner means he had thoughts / fantasied about it . it is not something you hear in normal conversations , well hopefully not anyway.

Yes, they seem to be enjoying the idea of raping the woman. That is why they are laughing, I imagine.

I have never heard anybody speaking like that. I can't imagine what kind of people think that is a normal conversation.

prinz · 06-04-2011 05:25PM

danbohan wrote: »

how do you know that for sure , for somebody to talk about raping the prisoner means he had thoughts / fantasied about it ..

Total BS.

smeedyova wrote: »

Yes, they seem to be enjoying the idea of raping the woman. That is why they are laughing, I imagine..

Your imagination is exceptional. I think we can all appreciate that.

DUB777 · 06-04-2011 05:34PM

IPAM wrote: »

Do you believe the Guards in question were going to rape the women? Or actually planned to? Simple questions

I dont believe they were going to, but its no laughing matter to be joking about it. Its destroyed numerous lives across the globe. Thus not something someone allegedly representing a government body should be make fun of.

Odysseus · 06-04-2011 05:40PM

danbohan wrote: »

how do you know that for sure , for somebody to talk about raping the prisoner means he had thoughts / fantasied about it . it is not something you hear in normal conversations , well hopefully not anyway.

I spend my days listening to peoples inner most thoughts, peple can have opinions on the topic, but it's very tame compared to what a lot of people think/fantasise about; and I'm not talking about people with severe conditions either.

Christ we will be having thought police next.

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 05:42PM

danbohan wrote: »

how do you know that for sure , for somebody to talk about raping the prisoner means he had thoughts / fantasied about it . it is not something you hear in normal conversations , well hopefully not anyway.

I give up, I really do.

You and others obviously don't want to listen to reason and have instead decided to make things up as you go along.

AndOne · 06-04-2011 05:48PM

humanji wrote: »

It all depends on what was said. Was it two lads talking sh*te or two gardai planning on raping them? They're the two version that each side will tell.

But I can only assume the S2S crowd will release the full thing on the internet in an attempt to paint all gardai as monsters, though.

What are you talking about you absolute idiot, The Gardai in question are absolute scum why would you defend anyone who jokes about rape you stupid ignorant person..

Mod: Poster banned.

danbohan · 06-04-2011 05:49PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I give up, I really do.

You obviously don't want to listen to reason and have instead decided to make things up as you go along.

of course i dont know what he was thinking as you dont know that it was just a ''bit of fun'' , what we do know for sure is that it is highly irresponsible unprofessional, conduct by a group of men who are supposed to be the upholders of law and order and for their mistake they should pay the price and lose their jobs , it happens all the time in real world people lose their jobs for very simple things . maybe it should be different for irish public servants should it ?

TerrorFirmer · 06-04-2011 05:53PM

AndOne wrote: »

What are you talking about you absolute idiot, The Gardai in question are absolute scum why would you defend anyone who jokes about rape you stupid ignorant person..

Have you ever laughed at a racist joke? A sexist joke? There are a lot of things a great deal of people laugh at in this life and make light of, not for one second however diminishing the horrible reality of said things in their minds. Rape happens to be one of those things. Jokes are funny because they're outlandish, unrealistic, stupid, far fetched. I've a weakness for racist jokes myself I must say....but it doesn't for even a second mean that I've ever the slightest racist tendencies or mindset in the real world nor would I be tolerate of those that do. The one strain of jokes I abhor are the 'dead baby' jokes.

Don Juan DeMagoo · 06-04-2011 05:55PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I give up, I really do.

You and others obviously don't want to listen to reason and have instead decided to make things up as you go along.

Ah don't, I always listen to reason and I don't believe I fabricated a single thing.

adomino · 06-04-2011 06:03PM

k_mac wrote: »

Just from listening to the full thing it would seem the girl had been inferring the gardai might assault her friend if she was arrested. So basically they were just taking the piss following on from this. Storm in a teacup doesn't come close to how out of hand this thing has gotten.

true, bad joke though yet i feel this group are using this in a vindictive manner. the comment one girl made "im not leaving my friend with 'that' man" " shes not safe" etc etc i mean c'mon, you mean the garda? and 8 other garda doing their job in public. nice try but i doubt you're going to see anyone losing their jobs or suspended.

a sensationilist complaint.

i can't believe the garda arrested them though when you'd have a hard time trying to get some little p***k arrested and brought off a luas for tormenting a pensioner. this is what sickens me. oh the easy jobs, everyone loves the easy jobs. as for convictions in this country, its a joke. murder every day of the week, and they just get a few years. a waste of taxpayers money arresting these 2 girls in the first instance. an easy job gone wrong for the gardai in question.

MagicSean · 06-04-2011 06:04PM

At the end of the day the gardai broke no laws and most likely no disciplinary regulations. There was clearly no intention to abuse their power or break any laws. The women were treated properly while in custody. The woman had previously inferred that the gardai would abuse her friend and they were obviously taking the piss out of this. This is all on the recording to see. Currently in Ireland there is no law against bad or sick jokes and a person is entitled to a private conversation wether they are in work or not, no matter what job you do.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-04-2011 06:13PM

some cops made some sick jokes in private....that's all...

Don Juan DeMagoo · 06-04-2011 06:45PM

k_mac wrote: »

At the end of the day the gardai broke no laws and most likely no disciplinary regulations. There was clearly no intention to abuse their power or break any laws. The women were treated properly while in custody. The woman had previously inferred that the gardai would abuse her friend and they were obviously taking the piss out of this. This is all on the recording to see. Currently in Ireland there is no law against bad or sick jokes and a person is entitled to a private conversation wether they are in work or not, no matter what job you do.

Yeah cos they would really tolerate a conversation like that in any of the multinationals. If they had a recording of you saying that, about another employee.... you'd be straight in front of a disciplinary panel no matter what position you held. They don't like bad publicity affecting their shines;)

Iwannahurl · 06-04-2011 06:54PM

GRA does not condone "any conduct or discussion that attacks women or women’s rights".

Gardaí found guilty of any wrongdoing in an alleged rape remarks controversy face the gravest of consequences, rank-and-file leaders have warned.

But the Garda Representative Association (GRA), which speaks for the force grassroots, insisted “due process” must be allowed in two probes into the incident at the Corrib gas project in Co Mayo.

PJ Stone, the GRA general secretary, also stressed allegations that officers joked about raping protesters were no reflection on the force as a whole.

“This incident should be viewed in isolation; it is to be dealt with in a disciplinary context,” he said.

“If the gardai are found guilty of any wrongdoing it carries the gravest of consequences.”

[...]

The force watchdog, the Garda Ombudsman, has also taken the unusual step of launching its own inquiry in the public interest.

Mr Stone said officers do not condone any conduct or discussion that attacks women or women’s rights.

He added: “You can not take from one incident that the entire Garda Siochana is misogynist.

“It has never been appropriate to make suggestive comments about rape; not in 1922 and not now.”

Superintendent Jim Smith, president of the Association of Garda Superintendents (AGS), insisted there would be a speedy outcome to the internal inquiry.

The senior officer also stressed the reported remarks were not reflective of the entire force.

“We would not condone these reported remarks and they are not reflective of the mindset of the Garda Siochana,” he said.

“We deal with these matters in a very professional manner and with compassion and sensitivity.

prinz · 06-04-2011 06:58PM

Heard there on the news that the likely outcomes incude fines, transfers and mandatory retraining classes or any combination of the above. Sounds right to me.

lastlaugh · 06-04-2011 07:05PM

danbohan wrote: »

how do you know that for sure , for somebody to talk about raping the prisoner means he had thoughts / fantasied about it . it is not something you hear in normal conversations , well hopefully not anyway.

Or else he was just having a laugh.

smeedyova wrote: »

Yes, they seem to be enjoying the idea of raping the woman. That is why they are laughing, I imagine.

You're doing a bit to much imagining there I think sneedyova.

Couldn't resist looking back at this thread.

You two are actually very funny. It's like you are both trying to wind things up, coming to such outlandish conclusions You would make good inquisitors or something.

Iwannahurl · 06-04-2011 07:11PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

Or else he was just having a laugh.

“It has never been appropriate to make suggestive comments about rape; not in 1922 and not now.” ~GRA

cursai · 06-04-2011 07:16PM

ChewChew · 06-04-2011 07:26PM

prinz wrote: »

Heard there on the news that the likely outcomes incude fines, transfers and mandatory retraining classes or any combination of the above. Sounds right to me.

I wouldn't agree that that is enough tbh. If we think about what Andy Gray and Richard keys said, and the outcome, this is a bit poor imo.

Lady Chatterton · 06-04-2011 07:38PM

ChewChew wrote: »

I wouldn't agree that that is enough tbh. If we think about what Andy Gray and Richard keys said, and the outcome, this is a bit poor imo.

TBH I think that the Gardai involved have and will continue to be hugely embarrassed by their role in this controversy. Even if they transfer to another station, they will find it difficult and it will probably affect their chances of promotion etc.

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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