Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

dvpower · 06-04-2011 02:03PM

elviscostello wrote: »

But, yeah we don't live in an ideal world and there will be eejits in every walk of life, and there's no way of changing that.

We could sack them when they come to the surface.

tbh, this is a bit of a storm in a teacup. They're guilty of being crass and stupid, nothing more.

danbohan · 06-04-2011 02:04PM

prinz wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you the one insinuating that gardaí are a bit thick?

are you the grammar gardai ?, have you any rude jokes for us ?

Imhof Tank · 06-04-2011 02:05PM

As was said on Vincent Brown’s programme last night, these two were only reflecting the general vulgar tone of discourse in pubs, clubs, schools and canteens the length and breath of this kip

Reminiscent of the “boring dirty joke” and the “bald young clerks” who belch in “various bogus-Tudor bars” in the poem Slough

06-04-2011 02:05PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I meant simply that yes they should be punished the severity should be relative to the severity of the crime.

And so what i said makes sense then, read it again.

Not that hard to understand tbh.

Well it is a bit, when you are not biased.
Rape is severe, joking about rape is distasteful and childish.
Joking about Rape when you are a member of the forces directly dealing with these cases is severe IMO.

danbohan · 06-04-2011 02:05PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I meant simply that yes they should be punished but the severity of the punishment should be relative to the severity of the crime.

Not that hard to understand tbh.

similar crime , different police force

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-06-10/story/six_jacksonville_police_recruits_fired_in_sexual_misconduct_case

lastlaugh · 06-04-2011 02:06PM

I've actually changed my mind on this matter.

Never mind getting them fired, stripping them of their pension rights, having their names spashed accross the tabloids or even a good old fashioned Lynching. (Too good for them I say)

Death by BUNGA-BUNGA.

prinz · 06-04-2011 02:06PM

dvpower wrote: »

They're guilty of being crass and stupid, nothing more.

Nothing a nice long spell checking up on dog licenses or something similar wouldn't fix.

vampire of kilmainham · 06-04-2011 02:09PM

Idioteque wrote: »

It started off all 'Miachel Moore' like but ended up all dinners, ladders and country & western music'...

yea i must say i did find all those bits about the ladders having their dinner and some of the other bits of conversation helliorious:D

prinz · 06-04-2011 02:10PM

danbohan wrote: »

similar crime , different police force
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-06-10/story/six_jacksonville_police_recruits_fired_in_sexual_misconduct_case

Not remotely similar. That involved an allegation of an actual sexual assault on top of all the rest and warnings to cop on. By the by they still graduated and can seek work as police officers just not in that jurisdiction. By that logic the gardaí in question should just be transferred out of that district. Can't argue with that.

KittyeeTrix · 06-04-2011 02:12PM

prinz wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you the one insinuating that gardaí are a bit thick?

That's the second time you have drawn attention to either spelling or grammar in a post and honestly each time I see this it I cannot help but think "really, is there any need for it"???
Very childish imo

Odysseus · 06-04-2011 02:12PM

Personally I think the over-reaction here by sonme posters is shocking. I would regularly with people who have had experience of sexual violence, whether that be in childood or as an adult.

I thinnk S2S have made a mikstake in using it for publicity, the media has made such a storm in a tea cup that it may backfire as it's going to be very difficult for the person how would be responsible for applying any disciplinary action to deal with on the issue at hand alone.

As I don't know the individuals in question I cannot like others here make an assumption about their ability to deal with rape cases, but just based upon that tape, I would find it hard to believe that such a comment would meant that they cannot dealt with rape victims.

My own work means I deal with a lot of people in psychological pain, some of the "joke I here from other professionals, nurses, doctors and psych's would be considered offensive if said to a patient, but that does not happen. Like the way it did not happen with thse members of AGS.

Some of the responses with suggest to be that a lpt of posters [not all] have no idea or experince of wg=hat working with people who have experienced sexual violence. I would geberall use the word victim here; however, is not PC to use that term either. Should I be disclined too?

Most people who deal with people who are victims of sometype of trauma, generally use a lpt of black humour to deal with the effects it may have on him, often by outsiders it would be seen as inapporpiate by those other the fiels, but this type of humour does not in general imply a lack of empathy when they have to deal such cases.

I can't make such a judgement about the cops in this case as the tape does supply enough information to do so.

Apologies if the are typos as I'm in a rush and have to see a patient in 5 mis.

LostinKildare · 06-04-2011 02:12PM

prinz wrote: »

Lol. You must be down 'round the Allenwood area.

No, but ... are you claiming that people in Allenwood are the only people in Kildare who understand the difference between assuming something and being certain of it? Because I haven't found that to be true -- indeed, I've met people of average intelligence in all parts of Ireland.:)

prinz wrote: »

I've listened to the full recording.

And

prinz wrote: »

I was judging them on their actual interactions with the protestors, and their 'on the job' work. Not the ridiculous private conversation later.

But you are not privy to the actual interactions with the protestors. Only a tiny part at the beginning the recording shows any interaction with them, and even that is difficult to see. You don't know what happened before, and you don't know what happened afterwards in the station. You assume that the gardai did everything correctly -- oh right, that makes you certain.

prinz · 06-04-2011 02:14PM

LostinKildare wrote: »

No, but ... are you claiming that people in Allenwood are the only people in Kildare who understand the difference between assuming something and being certain of it?

Not quite.:)

LostinKildare wrote: »

But you are not privy to the actual interactions with the protestors. Only a tiny part at the beginning the recording shows any interaction with them, and even that is difficult to see. You don't know what happened before, and you don't know what happened afterwards in the station. You assume that the gardai did everything correctly -- oh right, that makes you certain.

Right so, silly me. It was all-made up, the discussion about due diligence, duty of care, making better preparations etc. All a fiction.

prinz · 06-04-2011 02:17PM

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

That's the second time you have drawn attention to either spelling or grammar in a post and honestly each time I see this it I cannot help but think "really, is there any need for it"???
Very childish imo

99.9% of the time I don't bother. If a poster wants to make repeated slurs against others for their lack of education/intelligence etc, then yeah I will draw attention to it.

06-04-2011 02:17PM

Next time you are stopped at a checkpoint or pulled for an offence, roll the window down and say "Please don't rape me Mr Gardai"
How many would laugh?
:pac:

prinz · 06-04-2011 02:21PM

RVP 11 wrote: »

Next time you are stopped at a checkpoint or pulled for an offence, roll the window down and say "Please don't rape me Mr Gardai" How many would laugh? :pac:

I would. I am pretty sure they'd get a chuckle out of it too.

lastlaugh · 06-04-2011 02:24PM

RVP 11 wrote: »

Next time you are stopped at a checkpoint or pulled for an offence, roll the window down and say "Please don't rape me Mr Gardai"
How many would laugh?
:pac:

If it was a Ban Garda I wouldn't mind if she 'pulled' me for an offence.

Maybe the two Guards in question should be put up for a 'Dishonourable Discharge'.

(Sorry, bad jokes...:pac:)

desky · 06-04-2011 02:24PM

Would everyone get down off their high horse, or I'll ................
:eek: Oh no he didnt!!

MonkieSocks · 06-04-2011 02:26PM

Why were those women there in the first place, wasn't there Dishes to be washed somewhere.

force majeure · 06-04-2011 02:27PM

Do'n no about this one, was drink involved [note to all I''m not serious]:rolleyes:

06-04-2011 02:27PM

prinz wrote: »

I would. I am pretty sure they'd get a chuckle out of it too.

Pretty sure?
So you profess to know the personality and professionalism of all Gardai?

steddyeddy · 06-04-2011 02:28PM

I dont think they acted too bad in this case tbh. it would be a different issue if it was said in front of or two the girls. I have heard far worse to be honest and most of it from me!

_feedback_ · 06-04-2011 02:31PM

RVP 11 wrote: »

Pretty sure?
So you profess to know the personality and professionalism of all Gardai?

This is getting a bit silly now, innit.

Pity, as some interesting points were raised up until now.

Past30Now · 06-04-2011 02:35PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Personally I think the over-reaction here by sonme posters is shocking. I would regularly with people who have had experience of sexual violence, whether that be in childood or as an adult.

I thinnk S2S have made a mikstake in using it for publicity, the media has made such a storm in a tea cup that it may backfire as it's going to be very difficult for the person how would be responsible for applying any disciplinary action to deal with on the issue at hand alone.

As I don't know the individuals in question I cannot like others here make an assumption about their ability to deal with rape cases, but just based upon that tape, I would find it hard to believe that such a comment would meant that they cannot dealt with rape victims.

My own work means I deal with a lot of people in psychological pain, some of the "joke I here from other professionals, nurses, doctors and psych's would be considered offensive if said to a patient, but that does not happen. Like the way it did not happen with thse members of AGS.

Some of the responses with suggest to be that a lpt of posters [not all] have no idea or experince of wg=hat working with people who have experienced sexual violence. I would geberall use the word victim here; however, is not PC to use that term either. Should I be disclined too?

Most people who deal with people who are victims of sometype of trauma, generally use a lpt of black humour to deal with the effects it may have on him, often by outsiders it would be seen as inapporpiate by those other the fiels, but this type of humour does not in general imply a lack of empathy when they have to deal such cases.

I can't make such a judgement about the cops in this case as the tape does supply enough information to do so.

Apologies if the are typos as I'm in a rush and have to see a patient in 5 mis.

Aside from the typos, I agree with the comments and sentiments above. These comments made by the two Gards, particularly Garda A in the transcript in yesterdays paper, are "Beavis and Butthead" like in their immaturity. They both should be reprimanded for their behaviour and punished/fined accordingly. By punished, I don't mean fired. It is not a firing offence.

The argument that these people are not fit to carry out their duties, particularly when dealing with sensitive matters such as a rape or a murder, is disingenuous. These lads were blowing off steam after dealing with an incident in the course of their work. I would not like to hear everything I have said in my workplace repeated back to me in a recording. I am sure that most boardsies would feel the same way about conversations they have had over the years.

The idea that victims of sexual assault may be further discouraged from reporting the crimes against them, due to the contents of the recording, is where the individual Gards have let themselves down the most. The same could be said of the organisations who released the tapes to further their own narrow aims to the detriment of those victims.

Past30

prinz · 06-04-2011 02:44PM

RVP 11 wrote: »

Pretty sure?
So you profess to know the personality and professionalism of all Gardai?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll get the correct change in Tesco later too. Am I claiming to know every single Tesco worker and how tempted they would be short-change me, or if they often make mistakes? No.

galwaygod · 06-04-2011 02:44PM

why doesn't ever one go there themselves for a look????

they can make up their own minds then??

LostinKildare · 06-04-2011 02:47PM

prinz wrote: »

Right so, silly me. It was all-made up, the discussion about due diligence, duty of care, making better preparations etc. All a fiction.

Uh-huh. All cops talking on a tape. Not actual real-life interactions with real, live protestors.

Forget trying to grasp the difference between assumption and certainty, prinz, let's work on the difference between someone talking about what they will do, and someone actually doing it in real life.

prinz · 06-04-2011 02:49PM

LostinKildare wrote: »

Uh-huh. All cops talking on a tape. Not actual real-life interactions with real, live protestors. Forget trying to grasp the difference between assumption and certainty, prinz, let's work on the difference between someone talking about what they will do, and someone actually doing it in real life.

LOL. I see.

Lady Chatterton · 06-04-2011 03:08PM

prinz wrote: »

Maybe not to you but I am sure he has offended some people. This doesn't address my point though. Is it the material, or the person who delivers it?

What was so offensive about Frankie Boyle's joke was it targeted an particular child. I also found what he said about the child to be very offensive. In the case of the Gardai their remarks were not general, they IMO they were directed at a certain individual(s) making it more inappropriate and less of a joke.

Poor Craythur · 06-04-2011 03:10PM

87 pages! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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