Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 01:41PM

danbohan wrote: »

its that attitude and tolerance of unprofessional behavior in banking /poltics etc that has brought ireland into the mire , so having a professional police force would be a start , then maybe bankers , politicians etc etc , who knows by 2075 we might have politicians /bankers / police etc with a level of professionalism and behavior thats the norm in many country's today

Never for one second did I say I condone what was said as you well know.

Yes they should be punished and yes it was a stupid thing to say but they have not committed a crime nor were they intending and so they should not be treated like criminals nor be subject to the ridiculous reactions being given.

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 01:42PM

newballsplease wrote: »

Gardai dont get respect from the public, because they dont give it.

And you know this from personal experience? Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon like most people do?

danbohan · 06-04-2011 01:43PM

elviscostello wrote: »

Huh

But you said they should not be allowed joke like this while off duty. So it is ok now is it?

well unless we micro chip all gardai with recorders we wont know will we , would micro chipping work under some their thick skins ?

almighty1 · 06-04-2011 01:44PM

Storms and teacups. The politically correct mob baying for sackings p1ss me off more than all the corruption (Callelly, Lowry et al.) in government.

06-04-2011 01:45PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Never for one second did I say I condone what was said as you well know.

Yes they should be punished and yes it was a stupid thing to say but they have not committed a crime nor were they intending and so they should not be treated like criminals nor be subject to the ridiculous reactions being given.

:pac:
That's just a comical response, punish them, but don't punish them too hard or talk about it, it was only a joke by what sounds like 3 bunch o teenage lads who probably shouldn't be switchboard operators let alone members of An Garda Siochana.

My name is URL · 06-04-2011 01:45PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Hilarious :rolleyes:

Listen to the recording and you'll see they are simply joking around. I do honestly think they meant any offense to any rape victim or to the protesters.

This is something you keep repeating.. just because they didn't mean for it to cause offence does not mean that people were not offended. Just because they did not intend to actually rape the woman does not mean that what they said should be any more acceptable in the eyes of rape victims.

How can you not understand that? You keep going on about self righteousness etc, but tbh I think you're the one being self righteous by using your own opinions on the matter to justify why everyone else should just forget about it.

danbohan · 06-04-2011 01:45PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Never for one second did I say I condone what was said as you well know.

Yes they should be punished and yes it was a stupid thing to say but they have not committed a crime nor were they intending and so they should not be treated like criminals nor be subject to the ridiculous reactions being given.

what punishment would you suggest

i must not make rape jokes , written 1,000 times ?

lastlaugh · 06-04-2011 01:46PM

danbohan wrote: »

well unless we micro chip all gardai with recorders we wont know will we , would micro chipping work under some their thick skins ?

You're having a laugh you are coming out with this tripe. (aren't you?)

_feedback_ · 06-04-2011 01:46PM

danbohan wrote: »

well unless we micro chip all gardai with recorders we wont know will we , would micro chipping work under some their thick skins ?

That's fair enough, so your first point that I questioned was obviously not thought out, like I asked.

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 01:47PM

RVP 11 wrote: »

:pac:
That's just a comical response, punish them, but don't punish them too hard or talk about it, it was only a joke by what sounds like 3 bunch o teenage lads who probably shouldn't be switchboard operators let alone members of An Garda Siochana.

If you'd bothered to properly read what I said you would know that I believe they need to punsihed as severly as the case warrents. However I don't think it warrents them losing their jobs, their families, their credibility and being disgraced for the rest of lives.

Get off your pedestal before you fall.

danbohan · 06-04-2011 01:50PM

elviscostello wrote: »

That's fair enough, so your first point that I questioned was obviously not thought out, like I asked.

in other words do i think that we can have a professional gombeen free police force in my lifetime , sadly no

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 01:51PM

My name is URL wrote: »

This is something you keep repeating.. just because they didn't mean for it to cause offence does not mean that people were not offended. Just because they did not intend to actually rape the woman does not mean that what they said should be any more acceptable in the eyes of rape victims.

How can you not understand that? You keep going on about self righteousness etc, but tbh I think you're the one being self righteous by using your own opinions on the matter to justify why everyone else should just forget about it.

I understand that perfectly actually. I just think people need a little perspective.

I've said several times it was a stupid idiotic thing to say but it was never intended to go beyond the car and the way the whole thing was handled was completely wrong.

Of course it's not acceptable but the reaction to it is just over the top.

06-04-2011 01:51PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

their families

Why their families?
Do their families hate Rape jokes or something?

, their credibility

And what about the credibility of mature and respectful Gardai who find something like that unwarranted and unprofessional?

and being disgraced for the rest of lives.

:pac:
By whom?

Get off your pedestal before you fall.

No thanks, i like it up here.

danbohan · 06-04-2011 01:52PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

If you'd bothered to properly read what I said you would know that I believe they need to punsihed as severly as the case warrents. However I don't think it warrents them losing their jobs, their families, their credibility and being disgraced for the rest of lives.

Get off your pedestal before you fall.

your on a very high pedestal yourself , bet you be one of the people looking to string up bankers/politicians /developers for the mistakes they made , me thinks you have some vested interests here

Don Juan DeMagoo · 06-04-2011 01:52PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Get off your pedestal before you fall.

Pedestals, high ground and high horses.... jeez I am getting vertigo

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 01:53PM

danbohan wrote: »

what punishment would you suggest

i must not make rape jokes , written 1,000 times ?

Oh god get grip will you.

Personally I think a formal apology to the women and perhaps a reprimand from the Commisoner(or some-one high up in the Force) that go on record would suffice.

06-04-2011 01:54PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Oh god get grip will you.

Personally I think a formal apology to the women .

Which ones?
The two protestors, or the hundreds of rape victims?

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 01:55PM

danbohan wrote: »

your on a very high pedestal yourself , bet you be one of the people looking to string up bankers/politicians /developers for the mistakes they made , me thinks you have some vested interests here

I think anyone who makes a mistake should be punished accordingly. As the song says " Make the punishment fit the crime".

Calling for these Gardai to be fired etc is over the top imo but of course since I apparently have a vested interest what would I know?

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 01:56PM

RVP 11 wrote: »

Which ones?
The two protestors, or the hundreds of rape victims?

To any woman who felt offended.

prinz · 06-04-2011 01:57PM

RVP 11 wrote: »

Why their families?
Do their families hate Rape jokes or something?

Perhaps you should go back to first pages of the thread to see the origins of that one.

RVP 11 wrote: »

And what about the credibility of mature and respectful Gardai who find something like that unwarranted and unprofessional?

Their credibility is just fine. It will be even better when the muppets on the recording are disciplined.

RVP 11 wrote: »

:pac:By whom?

Again refer back to earlier in the thread when it was suggest that pictures of the men involved should be in all the papers so people will know if they are dealing with them.

RVP 11 wrote: »

No thanks, i like it up here.

Seemingly.

_feedback_ · 06-04-2011 01:57PM

danbohan wrote: »

in other words do i think that we can have a professional gombeen free police force in my lifetime , sadly no

Well, I didn't ask that question, you did. From what I know these dealt with the people professionally and they would have had no reason for complaint had the tape not surfaced.

But, yeah we don't live in an ideal world and there will be eejits in every walk of life, and there's no way of changing that.

06-04-2011 01:58PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

" Make the punishment fit the crime".

?

So we should Threaten them with dismissal many times, and laugh like little kids afterwards.
:pac:

newballsplease · 06-04-2011 01:58PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

And you know this from personal experience? Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon like most people do?

any time ive had the unfortunate time of talking to a Garda, they have the attitude of a ******.

vampire of kilmainham · 06-04-2011 01:58PM

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze the absolute hyper hysterical reaction topics involving the Gardai (even remotely) get on Boards.

The usual high horse brigade are out I see weeping and gnashing their teeth and hoping somebody will please think of the children.

A couple of Gardai blowing off steam among themselves leads to faceless holier than thou, morally superior plebs condemning them as monsters who should be all but hung, drawn and quartered. The fact that those same Gardai receive some of the most hateful bile you can imagine being thrown at them daily up there has no bearing on it. Who remembers the "documentary" by Paul Williams. Drivel that it was it none the less showed some of the sh!te the Gardai had to deal with. One memorable quote "they did not kill half enough of ye fu@kers up there" being screamed by a purple faced lunatic, which referring to the IRA killing members of the Gardai.

I don't remember seeing any of you Joe Duffy apostles on here defending the Gardai after that. That right there makes you a Hypocrite or does it just suit your particular political slant of things to have a go at the Gardai over a non issue like this while turning the other cheek when its the reverse situation?

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET A GRIP PEOPLE.

well said i totally aggree...

prinz · 06-04-2011 01:58PM

danbohan wrote: »

your on a very high pedestal yourself , bet you be one of the people looking to string up bankers/politicians /developers for the mistakes they made , me thinks you have some vested interests here

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you the one insinuating that gardaí are a bit thick?

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 01:59PM

RVP 11 wrote: »

So we should Threaten them with dismissal many times, and laugh like little kids afterwards.
:pac:

That makes no sense whatsoever.

06-04-2011 01:59PM

prinz wrote: »

Perhaps you should go back to first pages of the thread to see the origins of that one.

Their credibility is just fine. It will be even better when the muppets on the recording are disciplined.

Again refer back to earlier in the thread when it was suggest that pictures of the men involved should be in all the papers so people will know if they are dealing with them.

Seemingly.

Are you Ms Hepburns hubby?

06-04-2011 01:59PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

That makes no sense whatsoever.

So neither does your post.
You said punishment fit the crime.
read it again.

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 02:01PM

newballsplease wrote: »

any time ive had the unfortunate time of talking to a Garda, they have the attitude of a ******.

If everytime you deal with the Gardai they come across as a......s do you not wonder if you are the problem and not them? I mean no offense but I find it hard to believe every Garda you've encountered in your life was a twat.

Do you maybe get a little shirty with them or give them lip or refuse to co-operate or just treat them in a way they might take a disrespectful?

Again no offense meant, just something to think about.

AudreyHepburn · 06-04-2011 02:03PM

RVP 11 wrote: »

So neither does your post.
You said punishment fit the crime.
read it again.

I meant simply that yes they should be punished but the severity of the punishment should be relative to the severity of the crime.

Not that hard to understand tbh.

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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